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Title: Gas prices to upset our UK members 😊
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on January 16, 2020, 12:43:30 AM
Filled up my Chevy Silver-Rodeo truck today.

27 American gallons of 87 octane gasoline (laced with 10% Mt. Dew, or whatever) for $41.38.

Not certain about the quality of this grocery owned filling station fuel.....but my Chevy owner's manual says it will run just fine on fermented squirrels if necessary.

2nd question: am I the only guy in Ohio who owns a p-up with an 8' bed?!
Every truck that I see has those silly little short beds. How embarrassing when the Mrs. makes them go to Home Depot or Lowe's for curtain rods and plants!

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Stig


Title: Re: Gas prices to upset our UK members 😊
Post by: MJR on January 16, 2020, 03:39:28 AM
California sucks except year round riding weather. :-)
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Post by: monkeybongos on January 16, 2020, 12:21:15 PM
$1.50 gallon???
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Post by: wbdvt on January 16, 2020, 12:28:35 PM

2nd question: am I the only guy in Ohio who owns a p-up with an 8' bed?!
Every truck that I see has those silly little short beds. How embarrassing when the Mrs. makes them go to Home Depot or Lowe's for curtain rods and plants!

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Stig

Well in VT I see a few 8ft beds.  I have a 3/4T diesel, extended cab with 8ft bed so makes parking interesting sometimes.
Title: Re: Gas prices to upset our UK members 😊
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on January 16, 2020, 12:50:22 PM
Well in VT I see a few 8ft beds.  I have a 3/4T diesel, extended cab with 8ft bed so makes parking interesting sometimes.
For 30 yrs I drove the same red extended cab Chevy with an 8' bed for the State.
Carried my crew in warm comfy...but, in hot summers,  State did not provide A/C and Chevy did not provide enough opening windows for these good, but smelly, workers!
Garages could not do an alignment due to its length.
Good truck...
Stig
Funny story:
One time local newspaper came out to report on the 3 concession stands we were  building at a new softball complex. 
To a man - the crew refused to face the photographer. After newspaper left I said, " just curious - but how many of you guys are behind on your alimony?"
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Post by: randyo on January 16, 2020, 02:49:56 PM
8ft beds are pretty much special order these days, I'd like to find a used one at a reasonable price, I can fit my UXV450i in an 8ft bed and wouldn't need a trailer

Our gas isn't quite that cheap here in NH, I filled up my Silverado a few days ago, 22g for just under $55, I filled my K-Pipe for $2.25
Title: Re: Gas prices to upset our UK members 😊
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on January 16, 2020, 07:09:57 PM
California sucks except year round riding weather. :-)
Flirting with a 3 day suspension here....

Stig - wearing a sweater in the house!
Title: Re: Gas prices to upset our UK members 😊
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on January 16, 2020, 07:15:43 PM
8ft beds are pretty much special order these days, I'd like to find a used one at a reasonable price, I can fit my UXV450i in an 8ft bed and wouldn't need a trailer

Our gas isn't quite that cheap here in NH, I filled up my Silverado a few days ago, 22g for just under $55, I filled my K-Pipe for $2.25
"Special order"!

I just dropped my donut!
We've been overrun by posers!
What is happening to this country?!
Men used to drive real trucks....
Buddy Joe said he's used this rig to pull cars, trucks, stumps, calves out of cows... and impacted teeth out of his brother-in-law.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ydRmV2qB/P1050746.jpg)


Stig
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Post by: SemperVee on January 16, 2020, 07:52:08 PM

 No thanks... Full sized bed  - full sized trucks are a PITA to drive and park in cities and after getting my HOTROD 2019 Ford  Ranger with a (Mustang) 2.3 liter turbo go cart motor I am not looking back after giving up a full sized truck my whole adult life.  This little mid sized beast tows more than my 05 Chevy V8, gets better mileage and has all the bells and whistles and serious get up and go + handling  to boot.  I drove all the mid sized new trucks and at this age this will be probably my last vehicle if it lasts as long as my problem free Chevy 1/2 ton did.  fingers crossed...  :^)
Title: Re: Gas prices to upset our UK members 😊
Post by: jeeves on January 17, 2020, 10:44:38 AM


Filled up my Chevy Silver-Rodeo truck today.

27 American gallons of 87 octane gasoline (laced with 10% Mt. Dew, or whatever) for $41.38.

....
Stig

That whould be 150$ here.
Lowest octane available is 95, no ethanol.





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Post by: Snorvey on January 17, 2020, 09:09:31 PM
High petrol prices are great.

Less cars on the road means more a space for bikes.

Also, it means more folk get off their fat arses and move.

Also, also......its A bit nicer for the planet eh?

The higher the better!
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Post by: Neil955i on January 26, 2020, 10:21:44 AM
Filled up my Chevy Silver-Rodeo truck today.

27 American gallons of 87 octane gasoline (laced with 10% Mt. Dew, or whatever) for $41.38.

Not certain about the quality of this grocery owned filling station fuel.....but my Chevy owner's manual says it will run just fine on fermented squirrels if necessary.

2nd question: am I the only guy in Ohio who owns a p-up with an 8' bed?!
Every truck that I see has those silly little short beds. How embarrassing when the Mrs. makes them go to Home Depot or Lowe's for curtain rods and plants!

....
Stig
Yes, thanks for that Stig. Nobody likes a smug smarta**! Just to add to your smugness, the last fill up on my wife’s Range Rover Sport at 78ltrs came to £100.54 or about US$130.  Still, I can fill my XT300i for under a tenner!


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Post by: Viper254 on January 27, 2020, 08:44:46 AM
High petrol prices are great.

Less cars on the road means more a space for bikes.

Also, it means more folk get off their fat arses and move.

Also, also......its A bit nicer for the planet eh?

The higher the better!

I think when the US inevitably catches up to our prices, there'll be piles and piles of scrap vehicles that they just can't afford to run anymore.

For now, I'm started tootling around on my ancient Honda Cub 70 again - clocking up a respectable 140mpg.
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Post by: Neil955i on January 27, 2020, 09:11:48 AM
Hi Viper,
Yes I think you're spot on there.  Higher fossil fuel prices are inevitable in the medium to longer term and that can only be good news for us frugal scooter fans!  Impressed by your 140 mpg, I get about half that on my XT300i, but it still does 3x the mpg of the missus' RRS lol
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Post by: Kansas kymco on January 27, 2020, 01:16:02 PM
I think when the US inevitably catches up to our prices, there'll be piles and piles of scrap vehicles that they just can't afford to run anymore.

For now, I'm started tootling around on my ancient Honda Cub 70 again - clocking up a respectable 140mpg.
I will respectfully disagree, I beleive fuel prices will drop as more electric vehicles are sold. Supply and demand 
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Post by: monkeybongos on January 27, 2020, 01:58:35 PM
I think when the US inevitably catches up to our prices, there'll be piles and piles of scrap vehicles that they just can't afford to run anymore.

For now, I'm started tootling around on my ancient Honda Cub 70 again - clocking up a respectable 140mpg.

140 mpg!  More than respectable.  Having been introduced 50 yrs ago (and the C-50 70 yrs back), a shame more scooters haven't followed suit.

As for piles of scrap vehicles when US fuel prices advance, I disagree.  Think we'll see a lot of 4 wheelers used for shelter as people become too poor to afford traditional housing.
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Post by: Viper254 on January 28, 2020, 01:30:00 PM
Hi Viper,
Yes I think you're spot on there.  Higher fossil fuel prices are inevitable in the medium to longer term and that can only be good news for us frugal scooter fans!  Impressed by your 140 mpg, I get about half that on my XT300i, but it still does 3x the mpg of the missus' RRS lol

The C70 was the most economical of the three sizes we got in the UK. Scooters lose a big of efficiency in the CVT, whilst a Cub has semi-auto gearbox and chain drive, which is a smidgen more efficient.

I'm off to Wales (Dragon Rally) on it in a week or so, so I'll do some actual figures then.

I will respectfully disagree, I beleive fuel prices will drop as more electric vehicles are sold. Supply and demand 

That's another take on it - entirely possible I guess - if the infrastruction (fuel stations etc.) remain plentiful and cheap!

140 mpg!  More than respectable.  Having been introduced 50 yrs ago (and the C-50 70 yrs back), a shame more scooters haven't followed suit.

As for piles of scrap vehicles when US fuel prices advance, I disagree.  Think we'll see a lot of 4 wheelers used for shelter as people become too poor to afford traditional housing.

Hadn't thought of that either! Your cars and trucks are kind of big compared to ours, although the UK's road stock is slowly Americanising for sure.

I'm not sure if MPG is calculated the same way as it is across the pond... :(
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Post by: Neil955i on January 29, 2020, 07:37:58 AM
I will respectfully disagree, I beleive fuel prices will drop as more electric vehicles are sold. Supply and demand
Keynsian economics which needs to take into account Government action or inaction with regard to taxation. Any Govt seeking to discourage use of fossil fuels would likely use the blunt instrument of tax?


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Title: Re: Gas prices to upset our UK members 😊
Post by: Neil955i on January 29, 2020, 07:40:12 AM
The C70 was the most economical of the three sizes we got in the UK. Scooters lose a big of efficiency in the CVT, whilst a Cub has semi-auto gearbox and chain drive, which is a smidgen more efficient.

I'm not sure if MPG is calculated the same way as it is across the pond... :(
Calculation is the same, but bear in mind a US gallon is smaller than a UK imperial gallon!


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Post by: MJR on January 29, 2020, 02:03:01 PM
Calculation is the same, but bear in mind a US gallon is smaller than a UK imperial gallon!

Miles per liter. As I recall the last time I visited the UK petrol was priced per liter.
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Post by: Kansas kymco on January 29, 2020, 02:37:34 PM
Keynsian economics which needs to take into account Government action or inaction with regard to taxation. Any Govt seeking to discourage use of fossil fuels would likely use the blunt instrument of tax?


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Very true about taxation but the price of fuel itself should decline with less demand. Oil and refined products  are commodities traded on the market. It's  up to citizens to vote out heavy handed  politicians .
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Post by: Neil955i on January 29, 2020, 03:10:17 PM
Miles per liter. As I recall the last time I visited the UK petrol was priced per liter.

It is, you're quite right, but most of us still talk about MPG rather than miles or even Kms per litre.  I have a handy app (Fuelly) which does all the number crunching for me!
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Post by: Neil955i on January 29, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
Very true about taxation but the price of fuel itself should decline with less demand. Oil and refined products  are commodities traded on the market. It's  up to citizens to vote out heavy handed  politicians .

In the absence of any other factors I agree KK, the price should fall as demand drops away, simple supply vs demand economics.  Mind you, without wishing to open any other cans of worms, I read the other day that one of the key rare metal ingredients for batteries needed for EVs could only supply the equivalent in numbers of 50% of the existing world-wide numbers of fossil-fuelled vehicles...  A new technology urgently needed I think?
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Post by: Kansas kymco on January 29, 2020, 03:59:17 PM
In the absence of any other factors I agree KK, the price should fall as demand drops away, simple supply vs demand economics.  Mind you, without wishing to open any other cans of worms, I read the other day that one of the key rare metal ingredients for batteries needed for EVs could only supply the equivalent in numbers of 50% of the existing world-wide numbers of fossil-fuelled vehicles...  A new technology urgently needed I think?
Not to mention the pollution from the mining processing and disposal of the heavy metals for batteries.
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Post by: Stig / Major Tom on January 29, 2020, 09:07:23 PM
In the absence of any other factors I agree KK, the price should fall as demand drops away, simple supply vs demand economics.  Mind you, without wishing to open any other cans of worms, I read the other day that one of the key rare metal ingredients for batteries needed for EVs could only supply the equivalent in numbers of 50% of the existing world-wide numbers of fossil-fuelled vehicles...  A new technology urgently needed I think?
I think your idea of using canned worms has potential.

Stig
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Post by: MJR on January 30, 2020, 04:22:45 AM
It is, you're quite right, but most of us still talk about MPG rather than miles or even Kms per litre.  I have a handy app (Fuelly) which does all the number crunching for me!

All my scoots I keep track on there.
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Post by: Neil955i on January 30, 2020, 09:10:50 AM
All my scoots I keep track on there.

Good call
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Post by: Viper254 on January 31, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
In the absence of any other factors I agree KK, the price should fall as demand drops away, simple supply vs demand economics.  Mind you, without wishing to open any other cans of worms, I read the other day that one of the key rare metal ingredients for batteries needed for EVs could only supply the equivalent in numbers of 50% of the existing world-wide numbers of fossil-fuelled vehicles...  A new technology urgently needed I think?

Or less vehicles? Most of the developed world could probably survive with losing half of the rolling stock.
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Post by: Kansas kymco on January 31, 2020, 11:59:22 AM
Yes, thanks for that Stig. Nobody likes a smug smarta**! Just to add to your smugness, the last fill up on my wife’s Range Rover Sport at 78ltrs came to £100.54 or about US$130.  Still, I can fill my XT300i for under a tenner!


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I can't imagine filling up my Excursion with a 44 gallon tank. Your very fortunate not to have ethanol in your fuel, you have to make a effort to find non- ethanol fuel here. Regular  is 87 octane and premium is 91 octane.

The ethanol does a number on the carburetor if it  sits for extended periods. 
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Post by: Neil955i on January 31, 2020, 02:35:00 PM
I can't imagine filling up my Excursion with a 44 gallon tank. Your very fortunate not to have ethanol in your fuel, you have to make a effort to find non- ethanol fuel here. Regular  is 87 octane and premium is 91 octane.

The ethanol does a number on the carburetor if it  sits for extended periods.

Oh but we DO get ethanol in our fuel too!  Currently 5%, but talk of it going up to 10% soon
 :(
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Post by: Kansas kymco on January 31, 2020, 04:47:09 PM
Oh but we DO get ethanol in our fuel too!  Currently 5%, but talk of it going up to 10% soon
 :(
They are going from 10% to 15% ethanol  here but most vehicles are not designed for it.  Luckily there is a few places around town that carry pure gas or E-0.

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Post by: rdhood on February 01, 2020, 12:32:42 AM
A  regional/national grocery store chain... Kroger... put in a new store nearby with a huge gas island.  At the end of every row of pumps is one pump with a non-ethanol/pure gasoline option. I love it!.  I go about once a month and get 10-15 gallons to feed all of my little engines. 
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Post by: Kansas kymco on February 01, 2020, 01:13:06 AM
A  regional/national grocery store chain... Kroger... put in a new store nearby with a huge gas island.  At the end of every row of pumps is one pump with a non-ethanol/pure gasoline option. I love it!.  I go about once a month and get 10-15 gallons to feed all of my little engines.
That's exactly what I do as well but are Kroger does not have E-0 so use Cassie's or 24/7 stations.