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Scooters - 125 to 300 => People s200 => Topic started by: lankeeyankee on September 19, 2010, 05:08:04 PM
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Hello all Kymco Gurus
I am wanting to purchase the GY6B style long cases in Kymco brand. The GY6B cases have more meat on them compared to the standard GY6 engine cases for bigger bore up to a 66mm piston. If I am understanding correctly the People S200 used this GY6B style case?
Am I correct or does the People S200 use the standard GY6 case?
Thanks for your help.
Donald
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You are incorrect in the sense that the S200 uses a UNIQUE KYMCO GY6. Most parts from a GY6 do not fit.
So far, the only part that I have found is the same is the oil filter screen/cap, O ring. All else is different. So you would find that you would need to somehow replace the entire drive train, as the variator, clutch and belt are different from any other GY6.
I know this because we have been trying to find substitute parts, since KYMCO is a real PITA when it comes to spare parts. No luck.
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The kit is for a 50cc bike, possibly two stroke.
What you posted is right on. KYMCO uses a REAL GY6, as opposed to China knockoffs. The parts are not the same. Plenty of Chinese parts around, they do not fit the KYMCO engine. As I stated, for sure the clutch and belt are NOT the same, so it is not a simple swap.
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You may have more luck with the p150 The s200 seems to be a one of a kind and no longer produced. It's to bad bscause it has some good potential but ,no real after market support.
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I assumed that the S200 was just the same engine as the P150 with a bigger piston, since it is 163cc instead of 150cc, but it could be a different engine. Everything on it says GY6, which is why I think it is a kitted 150.
Even so, the transmission is unique to the bike it seems.
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Ha! your in uncharted waters,I'm new to the s200 but many part #s do not seem to match the 150 or 250. They may still fit but I can't confirm anything at the moment,if you find anything let us know! The s200 has been hard to find anything for.
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From my personal experience on the S200, the bike uses the original GY6 design with a different Kymco case. Honda originally contracted Kymco to build the engines for them back in the 70s... Kymco perfected the GY6 (for the most part). The design for the GY6 produced by Kymco is vastly different from the China knock-offs. Some parts will work without any modification... some will not. The custom exhaust I had cut uses the same pipe bends in the header pipe with the exception of the angle for the flange; it's about 1cm off on the top side of the flange. So yes, the S200 does use the popular GY6 design but it is definitely Kymco case specifics.
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Have you had a look at scooterinvasion.net, they are into a higher level of tuning.
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KYMCO is a quality brand and the engines last a long long time.
I am so sorry I have not had to re-build my engine.
But that's the point, no?
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I didn't even see engine parts available on kymcopartsonline - only Coming Soon. If the specs aren't readily available and out there yet your best bet may be to call Kymco or possibly even a Dealer that has one sitting in their showroom for sale. A call (or possibly even an email) to them as a prospective buyer would likely gain you more information. Good luck!
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I'm a gearhead yes, however I'm just now getting into the scooterworld scene. From what I understand, the case does use a gy6b type mold, I just can't be 100% certain about an engine I haven't rebuilt yet. I would be happy to keep my ear to the grindstone about any new information and pass it on. Most of the mechanics I've spoken with in regards to the s200 have not had a need to tear this one down yet. The build quality is extremely good and Modding it for a race spec would be insane.
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I'm all ears! 30+hp :o. I'm more of a 2t guy,but just started playing with the 4t's. Please post any info you get. I knew this motor had alot more than it's giving with backyard tuneing. You have any specs for tranny mods and or cam? Seems to be my bottle neck at the moment.
I'm not a total gearhead,just an insane hobbyist ;)
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Ha! I'm asking about the tranny set up,not finding any info and posibly head and cam. I'm looking for a realistic 85+ and running pump gas. It's not about the money or mpg's. Fact is my built people 50 2t will keep up with this thing in stock form,but hasn't proven to be too reliable ;D (crank bearing) Thats another story.
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Ancient Chinese secret Indeed :D Long story short i'm new to scooters and have been concentrating on the people's line up because of the 16" tires.
Right now i'm working on the s200 and have been haveing the same amount of luck finding any info. It seems the p125,150 and s200 use the same final drive. (Not confirmed) I'm not well versed in all the technicals,but seems no matter what performance I eek out of this thing I'll be limmited by gearing. So the question is will the gy6 150 "upgear" Fit or should i look to the p250 Or do you have them made ??? If the later i'm in over my head at this point in the game.
As it stands (With my backyard mods) Iv'e gained performance in the motor but can't translate this to higher top speed. Iv'e hit a wall at the 75mph range.
Thanks for the tip on the bearings. I'll get you some #'s on the studs sometime today if i get a chance.I'm not a machinest,but hopfully I can get you in the ball park ;)
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Ha! yes that is indicated,it was around 65mph(ind) in the beginning,so there has been some improvements,the motor seems quite happy to do it but i think the gearing is holding me back. I'm not looking for the hole shot just some more top.
O.K. in my best laymens measurement ;) 2.162" or (I'm an old carpenter) 2 5/32" Hope this helps. That is center to center.
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Ha! that was the stud to stud measurment for your head bolts on the s200 case.
I'm looking for a bolt in option for the internal gearing on the s200 tranny,getting nowhere with the veriater,well i got a little bit.
I did get an indicated 80+ on it one day,down hill with a tail wind :D
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I hear ya my thoughts are they geared this a little low from the factory(useing the same set as the 125 and 150). After a couple rounds of "fine tuneing ;)" I was getting the front tire off the ground from a standing start,which was not where i wanted The little gain I got out if it. Running a set of 16g dr slider helped but seemed to top to early. You will be no doubt flipping this thing over with the stock gearing ;D
Can't beat that price $140. I will be interested in any info you learn out of this build.(Available pistons, crank, and most of all tranny) It's hard to get any straight answers anywhere right now. Good luck! Art
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All this work, why not get a piston made to suit?
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Might not you have been better off to use a SYM HD 200 engine instead? Larger bore, ceramic cylinder 4 valves and water cooled? I would think you could squeeze even more out of it for less outlay.
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Ha! damn valves and cams. I'd love to just stuff a cr250r in here and be done with it ;D And might know what the hell i was dealing with.
I'll be waiting for your final tranny thoughts ;) These cvt's and 4t's are a whole new world to me :P
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SYM 200 is a GY6B engine technically its a 170cc )look it up). The SYM200 your talking about makes 12.1HP from the 7-9HP standard GY6.
This engine I am building is alcohol, and the downside of alcohol is getting heat into the engine, so a water cooled engine is useless extra weight that would only cause problems getting the engine up to temp.
The SYM200 HD200 was a choice but the rep from Kymco pissed me off and I would up getting a GY6B complete engine for less then what I would have paid for Kymco HD cases.
Yes, it is 171cc and it makes 15.6 HP, NOT 7 or 9 or 12. The S 200 supposedly makes 12. That's why I thought it might have been of interest - it is halfway to where you are going stock.
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Ha! I got alot to learn,most of my younger days was spent on off road 2t's. Do to injuries I'm lucky I can walk :D as soon as i could i had to have something with two wheels and got my first scooter. It took about 2 minutes before the need for speed set in :o
Had no problem with the 2t but the 4t is new to me and just starting to grasp the whole cvt. Sprockets and gears were so much easyer. But i'm really likeing the twist and go aspect with my limmited mobility and of coarse it has to go faster!!!
I don't mind spending the cash if I could confirm they will fit. As soon as i get the p150 road worthy i'll be cracking the s200 open to see how it works and some set of gears are going in one way or another :D
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Thanks for your input. 15.6HP on a GY6 based engine is not my goal here. I am building a race engine.
Your info is valuable if you can verify that the SYM HD200 engine internal engine parts are compatible to the GY6 engine. Can you verify this?
A 15.6HP engine that cant be built is worthless to me but I am sure you know this if you have been following this thread.
The SYM is "GY6 based" but since it is a 4 valve engine with a ceramic one piece head, I am pretty darn sure that NOTHING is compatible with a China GY6
Likewise, the KYMCO is a REAL GY6, and in general the parts do not work from the China clone engines.
My only point about the SYM engine was that it is so much more powerful than a GY6 or KYMCO S200 engine right out of the box it might have been easier to build it up to that 30 HP
And now I think you should get the chip off your shoulder.
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...reckon imma stay outta all this...
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...reckon imma stay outta all this...
I am done myself. I really don't need attitude when people were trying to be helpful.
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::) I'm not in the race. Those days are over for me. Just digging for info,like yourself. Fact is this bike under performs in it's stock form and wouldn't think you would have to r&d a simple upgear. But the info seems to be guarded or not available.
If I figure it out I'll post if I fail I'll post. Thats what were trying to do here.
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::) I'm not in the race. Those days are over for me. Just digging for info,like yourself. Fact is this bike under performs in it's stock form and wouldn't think you would have to r&d a simple upgear. But the info seems to be guarded or not available.
If I figure it out I'll post if I fail I'll post. Thats what were trying to do here.
Art
Most scooter riders are not gear heads or racers so performance upgrades are limited to those that are challenged by a socket set and basic mechanics.
Getting deeper with gear changes are usually done when a big bore is installed. The factory selects the best gearing for all around driving.
Gearing up taller and not making more HP is a waste unless you weigh 60lbs, ride down hills, or drafting a semi trailer. You may actually loose top end by putting a taller gear and not modifying the engine.
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performance upgrades are limited to those that are challenged by a socket set and basic mechanics.
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I here ya but that was my point,from what Ive been Been able to find.(not confirmed) The s200 shares the same gear set as the P125 and p150. With some minor mods I think it will work fine with a taller gear.
From what I can find this would be = to a kitted 150 from the factory,but wasn't done well and is no longer being produced. I could be wrong but think there's more performance I can get out of this bike With just a few changes. If it don't work,my loss.
Getting reliable info Is the problem as you have seen.
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performance upgrades are limited to those that are challenged by a socket set and basic mechanics.
As stated in the previous post "Art you will be with the others "lagging behind" "Copycats" [/size][/size][/b]2nd place winner which means 2nd place is your a first place loser"
What was the point of that post? Showing off your talents and knowledge of font and bold usage? ::)
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Ha! i'm done :D Wasn't me. Good luck.
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..i gotta go back and read all this thread again...dang...
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i gotta go back and read all this thread again
Move along....nothing to see here....
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Move along....nothing to see here....
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I think if anyone had the info, I doubt that they would offer it.
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The People series all has 16" wheels, not 12"
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Art here is the info your needing
Gear Description
GY6 Long Case 12 in wheels
13x40 gearing = 3.07 Gear Ratio.
??? ??? ???
...umm..so, now i'm confused...
..i thot the topic was a ppl...
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Dude, follow the post then comment. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
My name is not Dude and you are a dyck.
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My name is still not Dude and you are and will always be a dick.
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Ok this is my final post.
I purchased some GY6B engine cases out of a Tank Racer. The engine has been stripped down, cases split, chemically dipped, cleaned and in the machine chop as we speak getting bored to accommodate the over sized cylinder jug.
OK I have taken time out and provided in depth technical information for the transmission gears.
Not one person here reading, chiming into this topic said Thanks for taking the time out to provide the info.
Some of you (most I am finding) are soft and get there little feelings offended very easily when things are brought to reality. Thats the problem with today, Americans want everything sugar coated, don't want to put effort into anything and rely on others for there easy route. Its so easy to take the time to type negative and immature name calling but when something is provided to you,
just take it and run. I even read some of you said you are done with the post, but the views kept climbing.
I've came through with information asked, What have you done to help another?
Its not what you take its what you give. Now go back to researching which cleaner is most environmental friendly for your scoot since most don't know the difference between cam gear and a starter gear.
P.S. Good luck Dude!
L.Y.
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You're an asshole. I'm glad this is your last post, as I'm tired of reading your BS. Good luck with your crap project.
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You're an asshole. I'm glad this is your last post, as I'm tired of reading your BS. Good luck with your crap project.
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GO PEDRO!!!!
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;) Thanks ;D
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Yep, full of sh**. You can tell a man who will stand by his word, he won't delete his posts.
Lankeeyankee, did you not realise you chose the wrong forum for the info you were after?
You insult people and then ask for information, did you really expect to get any? This forum was a nice place to be until you came in with your bs.
Admin, if you choose to remove this post, I can understand that, I just can't stand pricks like this.
Sid.
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OK I have taken time out and provided in depth technical information for the transmission gears.
Not one person here reading, chiming into this topic said Thanks for taking the time out to provide the info.
Some of you (most I am finding) are soft and get there little feelings offended very easily when things are brought to reality. Thats the problem with today, Americans want everything sugar coated, don't want to put effort into anything and rely on others for there easy route. Its so easy to take the time to type negative and immature name calling but when something is provided to you,
just take it and run. I even read some of you said you are done with the post, but the views kept climbing.
I've came through with information asked, What have you done to help another?
Its not what you take its what you give. Now go back to researching which cleaner is most environmental friendly for your scoot since most don't know the difference between cam gear and a starter gear.
..wow..i didn't realize all this flaming was going on...i missed this, and other posts...
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Yep, full of sh**
..agreed...
..maybe i shouldn't be so nice...