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Scooters - 125 to 300 => LIKE 200i => Topic started by: Gnzbrg on November 30, 2018, 10:59:34 PM
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Alrighty then, hit the thousand mile mark today on my 2018 Like 200i. Runs true, starts every time, there's been no problems other than an out of round front tire, replaced by the dealer under warranty. So here's the regimen:
100 miles: change motor oil. 200 miles: change gear oil, adjust valves. 300: change motor oil. 600:change motor oil. 800: check valves, replace plug, check air filter. 1000 miles: change motor and gear oil. And that's it! Easy as pie...
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'Nother Stig! That scoot will lsat forever!
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100 miles: change motor oil. 200 miles: change gear oil, adjust valves. 300: change motor oil. 600:change motor oil. 800: check valves, replace plug, check air filter. 1000 miles: change motor and gear oil. And that's it! Easy as pie...
Very interesting reading.
Do the agents check valves clearances at 200 miles, again at 800 miles, and change spark plugs at 800 miles on all different size engines ?
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I changed the motor oil and gear oil when I first took delivery. Then at the 600 mile mark. I checked the valves at the 600 mile mark. I checked them every 2k miles like the manual states at first. Now I check the valves every 4k miles. They haven't moved since the 2000 mile check. I change the oils every 1000 miles.
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I checked the valves at the 600 mile mark. I checked them every 2k miles like the manual states at first. Now I check the valves every 4k miles. They haven't moved since the 2000 mile check.
To my understaning the correct gap settings for these 200cc engines is 0.1mm. On smallish gaps like 0.1mm I can understand why the manufacturer recommend valve clearance checks / adjustments every 2k miles. The manufacturer obviosly rather “play safe†by recommending clearance adjustments more often.
If the manufacturer recommend valve clearance checks at 2k miles on an engine with a 0.1mm gap setting, it obviously means valve clearance checks on smaller engines (i.e. 50cc engines with a 0.01 /0.02mm gap) should be done more often.
The smaller the recommended gap, the more often valve clearances need to be checked.
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Alrighty then, hit the thousand mile mark today on my 2018 Like 200i. Runs true, starts every time, there's been no problems other than an out of round front tire, replaced by the dealer under warranty. So here's the regimen:
100 miles: change motor oil. 200 miles: change gear oil, adjust valves. 300: change motor oil. 600:change motor oil. 800: check valves, replace plug, check air filter. 1000 miles: change motor and gear oil. And that's it! Easy as pie...
OK, just curious, after your first 1000 miles, what will your servicing schedule look like?
Thanks for your post.
Stig
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OK, just curious, after your first 1000 miles, what will your servicing schedule look like?
Thanks for your post.
Stig
Thinking motor oil change every 500 miles, gear oil every 1000, inspect valves and air cleaner every 1000, (adjust or replace as needed). Check the belt and brakes every 2000. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Thinking motor oil change every 500 miles, .........
I like the idea of getting the motor oil changed more often. It definitely can’t hurt.
The only problem I can think of - the thread at the plugs holes might eventually wear out if the plugs get removed that often. Special care should be taken when the plugs get tightened.
I am also thinking of changing the motor oil more often - at least untill I find a high quality magnetic drain plug. Hopefully I will be able to find a suitable Dimple plug somewhere.
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For scooterfan
The president of Dimple Products, Richard Jodoin, made a super magnet for my Like 200i - the spring-loaded side. He kept the do-nothing screen filter intact. Because it picks up a fair amount of metallic "dust" I am interested in getting another one for the left side and then using this plug to change the oil, most of the time.
A product purchase from Dimple (http://www.drainplugmagnets.com/ (http://www.drainplugmagnets.com/)) includes a free metric bolt and thread gauge that I use all the time.
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For scooterfan
The president of Dimple Products, Richard Jodoin, made a super magnet for my Like 200i - the spring-loaded side. He kept the do-nothing screen filter intact. Because it picks up a fair amount of metallic "dust" I am interested in getting another one for the left side and then using this plug to change the oil, most of the time.
A product purchase from Dimple (http://www.drainplugmagnets.com/ (http://www.drainplugmagnets.com/)) includes a free metric bolt and thread gauge that I use all the time.
Thanks for the link, but for some or other reason I do not get access to the link. Maybe it's because I'm sitting at the wrong side of the pond.
But yes, I really like those Dimple plugs- the best I've ever seen. I imported a couple of those, and use it at several of my vehicles.
Do you know the correct thread and plug size of a suitable Dimple plug on your scoot ?
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Try using www.Magneticoildrainplugs.co.uk (http://www.Magneticoildrainplugs.co.uk). The right side (oil screen) oil drain plug was modified by Dimple and returned to me. I guess I didn't jot down the specs on it and I am now in London with my grandkids. The left side plug is probably the one which would be best to replace anyway. The original is a M12 (dia.) X 1.5 pitch X 15 length. But you may have to purchase a M12 mm X 1.5 X 18 mm. The Stateside price is $35. By the way, the gear lube drain plug is M8 X 1.25 X 12.
This forum has been cool on the subject of drain plug magnets. But the key to a long lasting engine is the combination of the best oil and the best filtration. But with the Like 200i, the air filter doesn't get dirty and the oil doesn't get properly filtered. The world's best magnetic oil drain plug may provide us with some help. The attached is basically an advertisement from Dimple.
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Try using www.Magneticoildrainplugs.co.uk (http://www.Magneticoildrainplugs.co.uk). The right side (oil screen) oil drain plug was modified by Dimple and returned to me. I guess I didn't jot down the specs on it and I am now in London with my grandkids. The left side plug is probably the one which would be best to replace anyway. The original is a M12 (dia.) X 1.5 pitch X 15 length. But you may have to purchase a M12 mm X 1.5 X 18 mm. The Stateside price is $35. By the way, the gear lube drain plug is M8 X 1.25 X 12.
According to the service manuals the engines have oil pumps. I do not know whether the spring loaded oil screens are located at the suction, or outlet side of the oil pumps - but I think the best position to install a magnetic drain plug will be at the big plug just below the oil screen - like yours.
The reason for my thoughts - I guess the screen is at the suction side of the oil pump, but it actually doesn't matter whether the oil screen is at the suction- or outlet side. The oil pump causes a permanent oil circulation when the engine is running, therefore chances are better that metal dust will be picked up sooner in the oil screen area.
I think another big plus about having a magnet just below the spring - it looks like the spring actually gets in contact with the magnet. Which means the spring itself will also attracts metal dust, and the magnet becomes even more effective.
By the way - did you have to sent your own plug to the magnet supplier to install the magnet ?
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I have to change my recommendation - the plug with the spring would make the most sense. The neodymium magnet is strong enough to magnetize the oil screen. This would increase the value of the Dimple oil drain plug.
My original KYMCO plug was sent to Dimple Products, modified by them and returned. I have the feeling that other like items are now available for sale from their warehouse. But, sorry, I can't be sure of that.
In regard to oil drain intervals, the most common is 800 to 1,000 miles. I would love to extend that for my Like 200i to 1,500 miles after doing some professional oil analysis. But the cost of oil analysis on the scooter (as I do for my truck) would cost more than the most expensive synthetic motor oil change. The oil sample itself would take nearly half of the entire crankcase contents (800 mL). I'll keep you posted and you might one day hear me say, "Please DON"T do what I did to my scooter."
By the way I don't ride the scooter in cold or rainy weather. And 90% of the riding is at speeds lower than 35 mph. The bike is not used in severe service.
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For scooterfan
The president of Dimple Products, Richard Jodoin, made a super magnet for my Like 200i - the spring-loaded side. He kept the do-nothing screen filter intact. Because it picks up a fair amount of metallic "dust" I am interested in getting another one for the left side and then using this plug to change the oil, most of the time.
A product purchase from Dimple (http://www.drainplugmagnets.com/ (http://www.drainplugmagnets.com/)) includes a free metric bolt and thread gauge that I use all the time.
If you change oil again I would appreciate if you could take OD dimentions of the neodymium magnet.
I ordered a spare plug from China and hope it will fit. My intention is to contact the magnet supplyer and try to get hold of a loose neodymium magnet. I will then modyfy the spare plug to install the magnet myself.
If the supplier has plugs with magnets that will fit in stock, I will order a plug from them.
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From what I have read, one problem with many magnetic drain oil plugs is that they can come loose and bounce around in the crankcase. The process Dimple uses will guarantee that doesn't happen with their plugs.
I'll be back home on 28Dec18. I can get you the specs you need at that time.
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I read that if you're seeing metal particles after the second or third oil change....."skip the magnets, and start saving for an engine rebuild."
Still, some swear by them.....and a big one down there might help trip those L turn lights!
Stig
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From what I have read, one problem with many magnetic drain oil plugs is that they can come loose and bounce around in the crankcase. The process Dimple uses will guarantee that doesn't happen with their plugs.
I'll be back home on 28Dec18. I can get you the specs you need at that time.
Thanks, I will appreciate the specs.
I think the possibility of a bouncing magnet inside the crankcase can easily be avoided in this case just by inslalling a thin steel plate or washer between the magnet and the spring. The spring will press down on the thin steel plate or washer, which will keep the magnet in place.
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I read that if you're seeing metal particles after the second or third oil change....."skip the magnets, and start saving for an engine rebuild."
Still, some swear by them.....and a big one down there might help trip those L turn lights!
Stig
Seeing small metal particles / dust on a drain plug magnet is very common - even on any given brand new engine. The only reasons why people don't see small metal particles on engines without magnetic drain plugs are :
1. The metal particles / dust get caught at the oil filter.
2. There is no magnet at the drain plug - so the metal particles / dust can not be seen during oil changes.
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Dimple also makes "super" magnets intended on be place on the outside of an oil filter. That may work for you.
I agree that metal particles are unfortunately part of in-use motor oil. Fortunately, some particles are too small to do damage; some are too large to enter close tolerance machined surfaces. But the "right size" particles can do a lot of damage over a period of time. The Dimple magnet gets metallic dust out even when if the engine isn't running!
I'll volunteer to take pictures of my scooter magnet during a future oil change and may spring for an oil analysis and share the results sometime in 2019.
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Dimple also makes "super" magnets intended on be place on the outside of an oil filter. That may work for you.
I'll volunteer to take pictures of my scooter magnet during a future oil change and may spring for an oil analysis and share the results sometime in 2019.
Thanks - I was thinking about the "super" magnets for oil filters as well - but I am not sure whether those magnets are smaller, and whether it would have less magnetic power than the magnets which get installed at drain plugs ?
Whatever the case, I would really appreciate magnet measurements on your plug. There is no need to rush though. Please take your time and just take measurements whenever the oil needs to be changed again.
Thanks again.
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For Scooterfan
We have just about turned every corner on this thread! I will send you the measurements but I also think I still have an extra spring loaded drain plug. I can send it to you - free. I'll never need it and it would save you the trouble of taking your scooter out of operation. Send me an e-mail with your name and e-mail. For me: Duddy03 = Dale Yaeger dcyaeger67@gmail.com.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
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For Scooterfan
We have just about turned every corner on this thread! I will send you the measurements but I also think I still have an extra spring loaded drain plug. I can send it to you - free. I'll never need it and it would save you the trouble of taking your scooter out of operation. Send me an e-mail with your name and e-mail. For me: Duddy03 = Dale Yaeger dcyaeger67@gmail.com.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
Thanks, I really appreciate your offer by I'm from South Africa and Shipment cost to South Africa is quite expensive. I don't expect you to spend money on expensive shipment cost by sending components to me.
I already ordered a spare Plug and at this stage it is already on it's way from China. I hope the plug will fit, but I will only know for sure when the plug arrives in two or three weeks from now.
If the plug doesn't fit I will let you know, and pay for the shipment cost for sending your plug to me.
Again, thanks for your offer.
Thanks for the good wishes, a Merry Christmas and a Happy new year to you too.
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Thanks, I really appreciate your offer by I'm from South Africa and Shipment cost to South Africa is quite expensive. I don't expect you to spend money on expensive shipment cost by sending components to me.
I already ordered a spare Plug and at this stage it is already on it's way from China. I hope the plug will fit, but I will only know for sure when the plug arrives in two or three weeks from now.
If the plug doesn't fit I will let you know, and pay for the shipment cost for sending your plug to me.
Again, thanks for your offer.
Thanks for the good wishes, a Merry Christmas and a Happy new year to you too.
For Scooterfan
I have the dimensions on the 200i right side oil drain plug: 29 mm X 1.5 thread X 7 mm length. The diameter and bolt length were both measured with the Dimple ruler. I used the Dimple gauge on the thread: the O-ring had to be removed to get 2 teeth on the threads. See the attachments. I also took a picture of the opening in the screen and measured the distance in mm. The O-ring measured 35 mm, side to side. Let me know if you need any other information.
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These seem to be typical GY6 oil screen kits. Bought a spare kit for my LIKE200i. ...spring, O ring, cap, screen. Ebay prices range from $3 to @$9. Think I paid $7 for the kit from USA seller.
Stig
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For Scooterfan
I have the dimensions on the 200i right side oil drain plug: 29 mm X 1.5 thread X 7 mm length. The diameter and bolt length were both measured with the Dimple ruler. I used the Dimple gauge on the thread: the O-ring had to be removed to get 2 teeth on the threads. See the attachments. I also took a picture of the opening in the screen and measured the distance in mm. The O-ring measured 35 mm, side to side. Let me know if you need any other information.
Hi Duddy03,
Thanks, I really appreciate the measurements. If possible' I will appreciate the OD (Outer Dimension) of the magnet as well.
Maybe the supplier will be willing to send me a similar loose magnet to be installed by myself.
Thanks again.
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The magnet is on the scooter, so I can't measure it right now. But from the picture the magnet appears to be 12 or 13 mm across. The screen opening is about 17 mm, so you should be fine. However, since the opening of the screen is inserted into the engine crankcase, the magnet would require an epoxy glue, I suspect. The other approach might be to try to "sew" steel threads across the screen opening after the magnet is placed in the screen to lock it into position.
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Gnzbrg…..are you hanging in there?
(probably gone another thousand miles)
:)
Stig