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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Agility 125 => Topic started by: adefesio on October 08, 2018, 09:07:36 PM

Title: where is placed the solenoid?
Post by: adefesio on October 08, 2018, 09:07:36 PM
i have seen three possible, in the manual:
-pulser coil
-ignition coil
-starter relay
which one is the solenoid?
Title: Re: where is placed the solenoid?
Post by: JJJoseph on October 27, 2018, 04:11:57 AM
Which model and year?  They're all different.
Title: Re: where is placed the solenoid?
Post by: adefesio on October 27, 2018, 07:34:53 PM
Quote from: JJJoseph on October 27, 2018, 04:11:57 AM
Which model and year?  They're all different.
agility 125, year 2008.
Title: Re: where is placed the solenoid?
Post by: CROSSBOLT on October 27, 2018, 09:59:34 PM
Starter relay is generally referred to as the "solenoid." The pulsar coil provides a signal to either a CDI or ECU for the spark and the ignition coil steps up the voltage from either a CDI or ECU to fire the plug.
Title: Re: where is placed the solenoid?
Post by: de dee on November 20, 2018, 05:58:07 PM
Quote from: CROSSBOLT on October 27, 2018, 09:59:34 PM
Starter relay is generally referred to as the "solenoid." The pulsar coil provides a signal to either a CDI or ECU for the spark and the ignition coil steps up the voltage from either a CDI or ECU to fire the plug.
  the starter solenoid is near the battery on my three scoots with in 12 to 16 inches
Title: Re: where is placed the solenoid?
Post by: scooterfan on December 07, 2018, 07:15:28 PM
The starter has no “relay”, it only has a solenoid.

On my 2009 Agility / Movie the starter solenoid is located close to the outlet at the fuel tank, right next to the spark plug ignition (pulser) coil.

“Ignition coil” and “pulser coil” is the same thing, just different words for the same component.





Title: Re: where is placed the solenoid?
Post by: Texxan on December 07, 2018, 09:47:58 PM
It only has a relay no solenoid. A solenoid is not the same as a relay...........Good Luck

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/869243/Kymco-Agility-City-125.html?page=171 (https://www.manualslib.com/manual/869243/Kymco-Agility-City-125.html?page=171)

Title: Re: where is placed the solenoid?
Post by: scooterfan on December 08, 2018, 06:18:00 AM
Quote from: Texxan on December 07, 2018, 09:47:58 PM
It only has a relay no solenoid. A solenoid is not the same as a relay...........Good Luck

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/869243/Kymco-Agility-City-125.html?page=171 (https://www.manualslib.com/manual/869243/Kymco-Agility-City-125.html?page=171)


Unfortunately the wrong description for an “external starter solenoid” get used in the manual, and this is clearly causing confusion.
Like you mentioned , a solenoid is not the same as a relay - unfortunately the manual refer to an external solenoid as a “relay” - which is obviously incorrect.

If you have a good look at images of starters on these scooters, you”ll see that the starters do not come with solenoids bolted to the starters. In cases like that, starters always come with “external solenoids” - which get bolted elwhere to the frame, engine, etc. :


kymco 125 agility starter images


This is what an external starter solenoid looks like. The appearance might be slightly different between different brands, but it always look almost the same:

external starter solenoid images



This is what a “relay” looks like - very different from an “external starter solenoid” :

relay images


Most vehicles come with a seperate relay AND starter solenoid before the starter - while the scooters do not have a seperate “relay” at all.
Therefore I think the manual is causing too much confusion - the scooters do not come with extra relays at all.


P.S. Sorry, I tried to forward direct links to the different images, but it did’nt work.
Anyone who might be interested could just Google the subjects above, to have a better understanding about the different names of the components.