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Scooters - 50cc => Super 9 => Topic started by: krisnet55 on August 02, 2010, 04:18:06 AM
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I have been trying to figure this out but I cant get a straight answer. Some threads say to cut a green wire, while others say that the 07 doesnt have the green wire and that I should just get a new CDI.
If so which one do I get? Or can I cut some wire to make it work
Remember its an AC 2007 Super 9
Thanks
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If you can,get a pic of the cdi posted. Many of the other kymco 50cc's before 2008 are easy to derestrict. I don't know the super 9 that well.
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..a pic!!..yup, need a pic!!!
;D
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I have an A/C Super 9 also and through some help I found a race CDI for a GY6 plugs right in and will have no rev limit,
with this, de0restricted speed boss, Technigas pipe and larger jet in mt carb and my Dr Pulley roller weights on level ground I was getting my speedo needle just past the 50mph mark. Now remember I am alsao 225 pounds and 6'4"
Here is the link to the CDI I purchased,
http://www.partsforscooters.com/169-27-Performance-CDI (http://www.partsforscooters.com/169-27-Performance-CDI)
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..awesome link greenbean!!...
..long time never seen!!
..you still got your s9?
peace
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Yeah, after racking up miles on the Hayabusa after getting my license back I am having fun cleaning and getting the Super9 running again, a new battery and she fired right up after a few seconds of turning over, I was so excited.
Needs tires bad though, I am thinking about trying to mount them myself, don't want to drop the coin on Michelins but am searching for a decent cheaper set of tires.
I am really thinking about getting the 70cc kit and installing it myself and seeing what I can get out of her.
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...avon viper strykes...
..awesome frikin' tires........
8)
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..dude..you missed a lot of good sh** in th' last cpl years...
..Welcome Back!!...
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Thanks man,
I pretty much just parked it and forgot about it and enjoyed the "big bike" for a while, then transfered to a closer office then where I was.
The ole Kymco wants to be ridden again. I am in the process of removiing and cleaning everything right now.
scootertrog recommended the Michelin tires also, I am on bikebandit.com right now checking them out. I might also hunt eBay.
I am curious what the 70cc kit from MHR will get me in top speed and actual torque and acceleration!
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..the a/c would probly benefit..
..those s9s can be made into some awesome scoots!!
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Thanks, I am still thinking about it,
gottta get these tires first, lol...
I removed the whole rear plastic "air brake" and fully integrated front and rear turn signals, removed the mirrors and mounted a CRG lane splitting bar end, can't see it in the pic here. Did the 04 tail light lens mod also. Removed the center stand as it's very easily re-installed for maint work and I think they look so much better without the center stand on them.
I just wish they would have had an in dash tach for the A/C models, >:(
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/Greenbean_2008/utf-8BU3VwZXI5IHJpZGVzIGFnYWluIS5qcGc.jpg)
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..hell yeah!!
..awesome S9!!.....
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LOL...
Thanks,
I also installed a stronger torque spring and some stronger clutch springs.
I have a feeling after a 70cc kit I would not stop there and look into a performance variator and clutch asembly! Lol...
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LOL...
Thanks,
I also installed a stronger torque spring and some stronger clutch springs.
I have a feeling after a 70cc kit I would not stop there and look into a performance variator and clutch asembly! Lol...
Hey greenbean-
I think you will LOVE the 70cc kit- I have the very same S9- just went 70cc w/ the Moped Hospital kit, and the same CDI you listed. Also, i have a Jasil variator, red clutch springs, green Malossi torque spring and the Malossi torque compensator- thing. This Super 9 now SCREAMS- literally. It will pull away from all traffic at a light and haul like a freight train, up to my GPS verified 49 mph( for now).
Best bang for the buck on an A/C Super 9 is the 70cc kit. Just look at your stock exhaust pipe and you can see why they are a slug. Mine was. The 19 mm Arreche carb is pretty sweet, too.
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Hey greenbean-
I think you will LOVE the 70cc kit- I have the very same S9- just went 70cc w/ the Moped Hospital kit, and the same CDI you listed. Also, i have a Jasil variator, red clutch springs, green Malossi torque spring and the Malossi torque compensator- thing. This Super 9 now SCREAMS- literally. It will pull away from all traffic at a light and haul like a freight train, up to my GPS verified 49 mph( for now).
Best bang for the buck on an A/C Super 9 is the 70cc kit. Just look at your stock exhaust pipe and you can see why they are a slug. Mine was. The 19 mm Arreche carb is pretty sweet, too.
Nice to hear man,
Thanks for pumping me up,
did you install the kit alll yourself? and Did the Jasil and Malossi parts come from them also?
I am also wondering why your top speed is 49 THOUGH???
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Nice to hear man,
Thanks for pumping me up,
did you install the kit alll yourself? and Did the Jasil and Malossi parts come from them also?
I am also wondering why your top speed is 49 THOUGH???
Well, the jug and piston are super easy to swap out. It took about an hour. The carb does fit well, although I port matched the manifold to the new carb; ground it out with a die grinder. The throttle cable is the hardest part, but a few good videos I found here http://www.youtube.com/user/1PizzaFace#p/u (http://www.youtube.com/user/1PizzaFace#p/u) outline the job very well. Same scooter. I got the Jasil variator, and clutch springs there, and the Malossi parts right from Malossi USA. I also have a Malossi Delta clutch but ordered the wrong size, so I now need a new clutch bell, but I will deal with that in the future.
I am getting 49 MPH now. The old stock parts got to 37 MPH. Its getting better....I am still playing with the jetting, and I am going to try different roller weights. Maybe alter the timing. I also ordered a K&N filter off FleaBay, but its backordered. I am using the stock airbox and opened it up a lot, as in the above videos. Maybe too restrictive yet. Gotta wait for that.
I have never rode a water cooled S9, but from what I have learned they must be WAY faster and more powerful than the air cooled- a lot of people claim upwards of 60 MPH. I would really like to see this firsthand. BUT- they don't make the L/C one anymore- had to buy what they had now (2008).
I found a ton of good data here http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/super9/ (http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/super9/)- look under Files, and there is a spreadsheet listing users' specs, and their results. I think you need to register to see them. A few scooters using the same parts I have are getting 60 or better. I am open to suggestions.
As always, your mileage may vary. Contents may have settled. Professional driver- closed course. Blah blah blah... 8)
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Thanks man,
I registered back in early 09 with the Yahoo group also, lots of info there, and I found Aeromyst and Scootertrog on another forum and they helped a BOAT LOAD!!!
Thing is I could 50 lever ground with my 50cc Super9 with the Dr Pulley weights and un restricted CDI, speed boss replaced and Technigas pipe,
A water cooled was a bit faster, keeping the temp down helps quite a bit...
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Those were some great vids wish I had them before my build. You should be able to hit 60mph with ease. I'm past that with my kitted people 50. airsol 70cc,Tecnogas rs2,arrache 19mm, and k/n plus lots of cvt tuning. I'm looking for a realistic top of 70+ with the bigger tires and mods i have done. Ha! but its down right now. Hopefully soon a true gps and some vids.
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Those were some great vids wish I had them before my build. You should be able to hit 60mph with ease. I'm past that with my kitted people 50. airsol 70cc,Tecnogas rs2,arrache 19mm, and k/n plus lots of cvt tuning. I'm looking for a realistic top of 70+ with the bigger tires and mods i have done. Ha! but its down right now. Hopefully soon a true gps and some vids.
I am still trying to speed mine up. I want to go 60. I am running 6.5 g rollers in my Jasil variator, and am going to try 7.5 when I find time. I guess a new belt would not hurt- mine is at 17.5 mm- the wear limit is 17mm from Kymco. My RPMs top out around 9500 at WOT, at around 47- 48 MPH. Am I gonna hit 60 mph? Can the timing be altered to gain RPMs ?
While awaiting my K&N filter which is back ordered, I am now running an 85 jet in the Arreche. Plug analysis shows a pretty good mix right now, but, as you told me in an earlier thread, maybe I could go a lot bigger.
BUT- ... it sure sucks gas. ..... filled it today- 35 MPG.
:o
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I'm on a people 50 + mods Not real familure with the s9 but to give you an idea after mods I'm running 12g rollers a 743 belt dr pulley clutch and bell with a 2000 rpm contra and about a #107 main jet.
Seems to me the 6.5g rollers are too light for you(the stock people was 8.5),so you top to soon to really get rolling, a stiffer contra will allow you to get the motor in the right rpm to take advantage of the powerband. a longer belt will also give you some more top.(I don't know your belt size)
Once you get the filter things will change and an upjet a must A #95 is a good start but ultimatly you will need more. The milage is below average maybe the tuneing will help I'm still getting better than that,40 something.When things werent doing to good I was probably around that or worse Ha! The timeing is kinda set(you don't want to go there) It can be done!
The real secret after mods is fine tuneing the cvt to match the power you are creating. see what you can make of this and post back. Try to find your Belt size and I'll see if we can come up with a better size for it
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Ha! just another thought looked back at some older posts. When you get all tuned right you will be cruesing at 40 to 45 mph at around an 1/8 to 1/4 throttle 50+ at 1/3 to 1/2 so you might see how milage can improve if your not wot all the time with some good tuneing ;) Might not be a rocket off the line to 15 mph,but after that all hell breaks loose! Mine has another hit at the 50mph mark and takes off scary fast.(It did anyway not sure were my next round of tuneing is going) Ha! ps. Im shooting for top speed not take off. Once this thing is rolling it goes! Not bad off the line either. I think my other build will beat it to 25 but it tops a little over 55 at the moment.
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Ha! just another thought looked back at some older posts. When you get all tuned right you will be cruesing at 40 to 45 mph at around an 1/8 to 1/4 throttle 50+ at 1/3 to 1/2 so you might see how milage can improve if your not wot all the time with some good tuneing ;) Might not be a rocket off the line to 15 mph,but after that all hell breaks loose! Mine has another hit at the 50mph mark and takes off scary fast.(It did anyway not sure were my next round of tuneing is going) Ha! ps. Im shooting for top speed not take off. Once this thing is rolling it goes! Not bad off the line either. I think my other build will beat it to 25 but it tops a little over 55 at the moment.
Yes Art, this is what I like to hear. I will be replacing the rollers and checking the belt size hopefully this weekend. I think you are exactly right on the CVT tuning and carb jetting.
I will keep you posted........ 8)
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So is it safe to say the People 50 and the S9 have the exact same A/C engines in them?
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I do not know for a fact,but suspect they are. I hav'nt seen one in person yet (s9)
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..i'd like to know that m'self...
..bet they know over at scooterinvasion...
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I have been trying to figure this out but I cant get a straight answer. Some threads say to cut a green wire, while others say that the 07 doesnt have the green wire and that I should just get a new CDI.
If so which one do I get? Or can I cut some wire to make it work
Remember its an AC 2007 Super 9
Thanks
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Remove the CDI, using a hack saw, cut directly down the center of the CDI on the opposite side of the plugs. Cut about 3my at first, reconnect it to the bike and rev the bike while on the center stand. If the rev limiter is still on, remove the CDI and cut another 3mm. Once that old stinky rev limiter is disconnected you will be amazed at the amount of power.
Dennis P. Householder Jr
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I have been trying to figure this out but I cant get a straight answer. Some threads say to cut a green wire, while others say that the 07 doesnt have the green wire and that I should just get a new CDI.
If so which one do I get? Or can I cut some wire to make it work
Remember its an AC 2007 Super 9
Thanks