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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stig / Major Tom on July 01, 2018, 06:08:12 PM
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If you don't want to, or need to, ride more than 50mph (or ride double) - IS there any reason to own more than a 150cc scooter?
A 279cc Honda Forza weighs in at 170 odd pounds more than a 260lb. LIKE200i.
The Burgman 400 at nearly 489 lbs.
etc.
My point is that whatever you gain in HP is given back in weight - which is handy for highway stability but awkward in the city.
In a 3/4 city block drag race I think both of my 150 cc scoots can show well against these big heavy scooters.
(I was cruising along at 40mph on a country lane this morning - wondering why anyone would need more than these 163cc's under me?)
To a limited extent I've been there, done that - now I'm back here.
(https://s33.postimg.cc/yllrjpjzj/P1010711.jpg)
And if you need more than 50mph - fine, I'll wave you on by.
Stig
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You make a good point Tom. For me living in the Peak District of the UK the hills are a killer for a 125cc engine (150cc is rare here). Its difficult to maintain 50mph quite often and you can end up with a queue of traffic right up behind your rear end
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I'll second mcdcfc3 regarding the hills. Around here if you're not going up you're going down it seems like.
Beyond that the additional couple ponies the HD has vs. my old S (carb'd version of your Like motor) give me quicker acceleration in addition the that extra pop for the hills.
Both of those can be handy in the hilly urban/suburban environment, all consideration of a better top end aside.
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Depends on what you do most and where you do it. Flat Ohio with short hills (that I recall) coupled with mostly local trips, 150 cc is fine. I would definitely demand my DT300I if I was back in Denver with a 6000' elevation variation and wonderful roads all over! I was happy with a 50 cc until I was bitten (again!) with wanderlust. The Yager was great with 173 cc and would not have changed until the wheels came off, but wife insisted! Like we said in the Power Transmission business, depends on application.
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You make a good point Tom. For me living in the Peak District of the UK the hills are a killer for a 125cc engine (150cc is rare here). Its difficult to maintain 50mph quite often and you can end up with a queue of traffic right up behind your rear end
MCDCFC3 is right. For me, I would have continued riding my 110 everywhere but I needed those extra CCs for the hills around the peaks; Rocester, Cubley, sometimes Ashbourne and Belper etc. for my commute to Nottingham.
Sometimes I catch myself thinking that a 250 would be nice. But I'm sure that if I had a 250, I'd probably want a 400. In reality, the 163cc gets me up hills and over to work at about 90KMH; it's cheap motoring.
I have had my share of big bikes - I just don't enjoy them in the same way.
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Down here in the south, those reflective white signs with the big black numbers are there to tell the nearly-illiterate, self-centered cagers the minimum they should be traveling. They're not an upper limit as the sign actually indicates, but the floor-speed at which someone should be traveling else they get run over, have things thrown at them, get shot at, or otherwise suffer induced-wrath things from idiots who want to punish everyone else for their own poor time-management skills.
I was perfectly satisfied with the 153cc of the Honda, until I realized that I was the only one who thought those big white signs with the big black numbers really were an upper limit, not the base floor speed of travel. You literally can get a ticket for both reckless driving and impeding the flow of traffic (both misdemeanors, but when combined are a low-level felony here) if you're driving while obeying traffic laws, operating safely, and doing nothing other than being in the way of soccer moms in their black Denali SUVs while on the phone.
Given the roads I have to drive in order to get to work, something with a bit more "get up and go" eventually became a dire necessity. Not to mention the fact that if I ever wanted to go anywhere other than to work, I'd need to be able to travel in the 60-75 range in order to do it, without running the risk of being run off the road.
A case in point: (and possibly for the Riders Code thread) yesterday, on the way to visit a friend of mine to meet for lunch, I was traveling on a 55mph limit road, but going right at 63-64mph. Not one, but two sets of rednecks in jacked-up trucks with 6' diameter tires flew by me at over 80mph estimated, screaming out the window "get that &%@#! moped off the roads" The second of the two cut over in front of me so sharply that I literally reached out and touched his fender as he swept by. I immediately changed lanes, as I anticipated he would slam on brakes, which he did. I went right on by as he nearly came to a stop, and then he had to try to catch up to me to show me who was boss. I managed to skirt through a changing traffic light, where he was just too far back to not run the red, and I left him sitting there stopped and probably fuming that I was a lot faster than he thought I was.
So yes, I do need more than 150cc. And pepper spray.
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Down here in the south, those reflective white signs with the big black numbers are there to tell the nearly-illiterate, self-centered cagers the minimum they should be traveling. They're not an upper limit as the sign actually indicates, but the floor-speed at which someone should be traveling else they get run over, have things thrown at them, get shot at, or otherwise suffer induced-wrath things from idiots who want to punish everyone else for their own poor time-management skills.
I was perfectly satisfied with the 153cc of the Honda, until I realized that I was the only one who thought those big white signs with the big black numbers really were an upper limit, not the base floor speed of travel. You literally can get a ticket for both reckless driving and impeding the flow of traffic (both misdemeanors, but when combined are a low-level felony here) if you're driving while obeying traffic laws, operating safely, and doing nothing other than being in the way of soccer moms in their black Denali SUVs while on the phone.
Given the roads I have to drive in order to get to work, something with a bit more "get up and go" eventually became a dire necessity. Not to mention the fact that if I ever wanted to go anywhere other than to work, I'd need to be able to travel in the 60-75 range in order to do it, without running the risk of being run off the road.
A case in point: (and possibly for the Riders Code thread) yesterday, on the way to visit a friend of mine to meet for lunch, I was traveling on a 55mph limit road, but going right at 63-64mph. Not one, but two sets of rednecks in jacked-up trucks with 6' diameter tires flew by me at over 80mph estimated, screaming out the window "get that &%@#! moped off the roads" The second of the two cut over in front of me so sharply that I literally reached out and touched his fender as he swept by. I immediately changed lanes, as I anticipated he would slam on brakes, which he did. I went right on by as he nearly came to a stop, and then he had to try to catch up to me to show me who was boss. I managed to skirt through a changing traffic light, where he was just too far back to not run the red, and I left him sitting there stopped and probably fuming that I was a lot faster than he thought I was.
So yes, I do need more than 150cc. And pepper spray.
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That should be treated as a murder attempt.
Probably would be good to have a GoPro type camera for those kind of idiots as evidence.
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My first bike was a '65 Honda 150 Dream. On the day I graduated high school I blew the motor, stretched out "Rollie Free" style trying to break 60mph down the biggest hill in Delaware... So yeah, even then I wanted more power. Now I have four bikes ranging from 49 to 1470cc. They all have their uses, but I find myself riding the scooters most often. There's something very satisfying about using the smaller bikes to get around.
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The Forza is unusually heavy for its class. I've never ridden anything that heavy, so I don't actually know how cumbersome it is.
My People 250 wasn't awkward in town at all, and isn't the lightest 250 either.
When I had a Vino 125 (top speed of 55mph), I was frequently at full throttle, and that frequently wasn't enough. Hills could drop the the top speed by 20mph. And the top speed was frequently just not fast enough anyways on flat ground.
In rural Texas, it wouldn't have been fast enough to go anywhere. The highways (non-interstate) have travel speeds of 80mph. My People 250 was never not enough, but anything smaller would have been too small.
Here in the Ozarks, the travel speed is typically as high as 60mph (the speed limits are almost always disregarded). If you aren't climbing a hill, chances are you're going down one. Maybe you could get away with driving a Like 200i here, but I think it would be pretty marginal. 250cc is a very comfortable size.
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I do love my Movie 150 but at times I do feel that 180-250cc engine in it would suit me better. Yes there are quite a few flat spots in my neck of the woods but the hills when they do appear can be steep and numerous. The extra cc's would help lower my RPMs on the back road where vehicles are going over 80+KPH on a regular basis and staying at over 80KPH raises my fuel consumption and lowers my range.
So a scooter with my Movies size/weight about 113KG/250lbs with a 200cc engine would be best
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I really do miss my Yager 200i. It was light, and agile and a good bike for my interstate commute, but it was only on the edge of being fast enough on the short stretches of highways I needed to get from Jersey to Philly. I lot of times I was tailgated even though I was doing a 65 in a 45.
My Downtown opened an entirely new world for me. I could take the back roads and the interstates. Now the idea of really traveling and seeing the world by scooter was possible. Over the past three years I've travel to Canada (going back again in September), up and down the Jersey shore, through NE Pennsylvania, and Central and NW New Jersey. I feel like I'm only scratching the surface.
The DT for me is light enough to get around in the city with no weight problems, even with a passenger, and powerful enough to run with the big boys.
I do miss my smaller scooter and in all honesty I've been jonesing to get another smaller bike. A lot of the rallies in my area are only open to small bikes and classic scooters. It's been frustrating to be on the outside looking in.
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Strange how most folks, when being tailgated speed up.
That's buying into what the idiot behind ya wants, & he'll just push you faster.
If being tailgated, you go slower. That is in defensive driving 102. In the end get gator wants to go faster and will go around ya.
https://www.defensivedriving.com/blog/rules-of-the-road-dont-give-in-to-tailgaters/ (https://www.defensivedriving.com/blog/rules-of-the-road-dont-give-in-to-tailgaters/)
I'l note that when I point out the reasoning on this to most folks they'll argue that their situation is special and somehow different.
Really it's not. The gator's going to drive up your butt regardless of speed. If you slow down to the point where their distance is safe they'll either have gotten around ya or the bump in your heine will be less of an issue. (in a car, that'd never good on a bike, but still better at 5mph than 50).
Slowing techniques are another lesson and more circumstantial, but either way I'll allow this works even in aggressive Seattle traffic.
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Strange how most folks, when being tailgated speed up.
That's buying into what the idiot behind ya wants, & he'll just push you faster.
If being tailgated, you go slower. That is in defensive driving 102. In the end get gator wants to go faster and will go around ya.
https://www.defensivedriving.com/blog/rules-of-the-road-dont-give-in-to-tailgaters/ (https://www.defensivedriving.com/blog/rules-of-the-road-dont-give-in-to-tailgaters/)
Down here in the deep south, that will get you rear-ended, run off the road, shot at, or all of the above. No lie.
My best friend used to work for one of the local ambulance companies here, and I've been regaled with dozens of stories of motorcyclists being run off the road by the seasoned EMTs who have attended the cases. If some redneck in a jacked-up Silverado will run a Ninja or a CBR off the road, what makes you think that me, on a 400cc scoot is going to be safer by slowing down in front of them? It would make it just that much easier for them to hit me.
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Evil, I am sure you said but I'm still old and foget, where in the deep south?
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So yes, I do need more than 150cc. And pepper spray.
You need James Bond flippable plate with oil slick.
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I joined this forum to reply to the posts about road rage.
I live in the South, I drive the speed limit and I never have a problem with other drivers. Why? I try to drive courteously.
If cars are accumulating behind me or if one has been behind me for more than a minute or two, I pull off the road at the next opportunity and let them go by. If he seems agitated, I turn on my right turn signal until I find a place to pull off. When I'm just tootling along sightseeing and traffic is fast I might pull over more than once a mile. And I do speed up when someone tailgates me because I want to help him get what he wants.
The days when the passing drivers waved or beeped a thank you to me for pulling over as they went by (this used to be universal) came to an end about a dozen years ago, but that doesn't mean I have to follow their example. I don't pull over to get thanked any more than I hold the door open for the person behind me so I can hear a thank you. I do those things because that is how I choose to live my life. Others can choose the way they live theirs.
When I was young, before I learned to drive, my mother not only taught us children that, "Courtesy is contagious," there were signs on roadsides saying it.
I know one thing to be true beyond the shadow of a doubt even though it is far from obvious; the more I try to help others, the happier I get, and maybe safer, too.
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I live in the South, I drive the speed limit and I never have a problem with other drivers. Why? I try to drive courteously.
Plus one on that sentiment. I have found drivers in the DEEP South to be extremely curteous. Here in Alabama they wave to everyone, even the cops. Nobody pushes me, and I let them pass at the earliest opportunity. Of course that all changes if I cross into (clueless) Florida or (aggressive) Tennessee...
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In rural areas only have I ever seen anyone wave at anyone else. In cities of any size (25K pop. or more) look out and drive defensively.
I live in Georgia, in a moderately sized city, with somewhat more than the aforementioned 25K. There is a non-incorporated area in an adjacent county that's populated by mostly upper-middle-class, well-to-do, have more money than they know what to do with soccer moms, inconsiderate teens, and self-important banker-type dads.
These people literally and honestly believe to their core that when they're on the road, neither the rules apply to them, nor is anyone else allowed to interfere with their driving because they belong to the right country clubs, they go to the right churches, contribute to the right political candidates, and have Money. (see what I did there?)
Around where I live, courteous driving will get you run over. Better keep your head on a swivel, have an escape-out, and don't look another driver in the eye.Rural areas are much, much better. Everyone there knows each other...
I can't imagine what driving in a city of more than 60K people is like. And I don't want to know, either.
I am seriously thinking about getting a go-pro or other type camera, with a mic pick-up, and recording all of the incidents I see and have happen around me. You guys wouldn't believe it. And the worst part is, I never noticed it until I started riding on two wheels.
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Like to ride every where and I don`t like to hold up traffic.
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My Super 8 150 is about perfect for riding around Here in Huntsville Alabama. I have not had issues with being too slow. Drivers around here tend to be slow and lethargic, not what some have experienced in this thread. I took my Super 8 up to Ohio where the speed limits are incredibly low. I don't think I got on a road with a speed limit higher than 40 in the week I was there. Except for some hills, 50cc would probably have been enough to keep up with traffic.
I have also taken my Super 8 into the Smoky mountains. It struggled on some of the hills but for the most part I kept up with traffic and on many curvy roads traffic was holding me up.
I also have an Smax. It has more than enough power for just about any road except some interstate highways. Of course it has a whopping 155cc's.
That's not to say that bigger bikes don't have their uses. When I feel have the "need for speed" I have a kawasaki Versys 650 which does quite well on the curvy mountain roads I live to ride. It's complete overkill for city riding.
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I can't imagine what driving in a city of more than 60K people is like. And I don't want to know, either.
It's like doing battle. Some people love it, some people hate it. "Combative" is definitely the word!
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My first scooter was a 2009 xciting 250 . I drove it 50 miles each way to work and back. It was barely adequate for the 4 lane stretch of highway that I couldn’t avoid. While it COULD do almost 80 for short stretches, 65 was as fast as I felt comfortable riding it for longer distances. And that was as slow as I could safely ride in the right lane. If my riding had been confined to the city or to the two lane rural road near my house, 150cc would have been fine.
Side note, 1 was only doing about 55 two years ago Tuesday when I had my accident which cost me part of my left leg. So 150 cc is PLENTY ENOUGH to mess you up if you hit something. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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My first scooter was a 2009 xciting 250 . I drove it 50 miles each way to work and back. It was barely adequate for the 4 lane stretch of highway that I couldn’t avoid. While it COULD do almost 80 for short stretches, 65 was as fast as I felt comfortable riding it for longer distances. And that was as slow as I could safely ride in the right lane. If my riding had been confined to the city or to the two lane rural road near my house, 150cc would have been fine.
Side note, 1 was only doing about 55 two years ago Tuesday when I had my accident which cost me part of my left leg. So 150 cc is PLENTY ENOUGH to mess you up if you hit something. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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Forbes,
Yeah, I was thinking about you the other day. Knew we were nearing that anniversary.
You are the most serious off that we are aware of here - and are never far from our thoughts.
I still recall your pix of that lovely Majesty.
Do you suppose the name of your ride had anything to do with your escaping even more serious damage?
Would not surprise me. (will put that in my notebook of questions to ask.... later :)
How are you doing these days?
Regards, Tom
PS - and yes, 55 is pretty darn fast for some of us - considering we're sitting in a motorized lawn chair with turn signals.
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Forbes,
Yeah, I was thinking about you the other day. Knew we were nearing that anniversary.
You are the most serious off that we are aware of here - and are never far from our thoughts.
I still recall your pix of that lovely Majesty.
Do you suppose the name of your ride had anything to do with your escaping even more serious damage?
Would not surprise me. (will put that in my notebook of questions to ask.... later :)
How are you doing these days?
Regards, Tom
PS - and yes, 55 is pretty darn fast for some of us - considering we're sitting in a motorized lawn chair with turn signals.
Hmmmmm.... good question.
By the way, I’m doing fine. Doing ALMOST everything I was doing prior to the accident EXCEPT riding a scooter. Still haven’t decided whether to get back on one or not. But finances prevent me from having to make that decision for now. However I did get on my brothers BICYCLE a couple of days ago. At least I know I can still balance on two wheels. Lol. Thanks for asking.
For now I’m living the scooter life vicariously through you all.
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175cc liquid cooled dream. This is the scooter i would go for in a heartbeat if it were to come to NA.
https://www.kymco.com.tw/motor/racing-king-180 (https://www.kymco.com.tw/motor/racing-king-180)
but sadly it never will. Neither will the new Racing S 150
https://www.kymco.com.tw/motor/Racing-S-150-abs (https://www.kymco.com.tw/motor/Racing-S-150-abs)
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my first motorcycle (never owned a scooter) was a Honda Super 90, that kept me happy as a teenager on the local Vermont gravel roads, but without a rev limiter....... well, it got hungry and ate a valve.
My next bike was a Honda CB125S, I was no longer a teenager, and I used the bike for more than a playtoy, it was 100 mpg transportation, but too small for highway with a top speed of 65, a bit faster downhill with a tail wind. In my mind at that time, the ultimate bike would be a 250
But, my next bike was an SV650, I started doing much longer trips, taking vacation at Deal's Gap, it didn't have the long legs I wanted on the highway, constantly searching for that elusive 7th gear
Now I have a V-strom 1000, I don't know how anyone would want any less power
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Having ridden 2 50 cc bikes, a honda sh 150cc,a gilera 180cc, 300gti and now a 400 xciting, I find that 400 has been the smoothest of all my rides and I work in Providence RI. City and highway driving are easy on this bike. The extra cc's help me to avoid obstacles, like crazy squirrels with a deathwish...lol. It is just as maneuverable as my 300 and it has the extra weight on the highway to handle wind buffeting. Also I have more storage. So yes, I like having more cc's. It also fits nicely in the bed of my Silverado...
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Looks a bit, & from the only spec I know specs a bit like the SYM RV200. Essentially the same as my HD200 (~173cc liquid cooled) with smaller wheels.
They had 'em in the country for a couple years, didn't sell a whole lot. Pity, nice bike.
175cc liquid cooled dream. This is the scooter i would go for in a heartbeat if it were to come to NA.
https://www.kymco.com.tw/motor/racing-king-180 (https://www.kymco.com.tw/motor/racing-king-180)
but sadly it never will. Neither will the new Racing S 150
https://www.kymco.com.tw/motor/Racing-S-150-abs (https://www.kymco.com.tw/motor/Racing-S-150-abs)
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Interesting. https://www.alliancepowersports.com/models/rv_specs.html (https://www.alliancepowersports.com/models/rv_specs.html)
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It occurred to me that what's probably the ancestor of the one you linked was also imported for a bit.
The Kymco Yager 200i.
I've seen both of 'em in person. Both seemed like decent bikes.
I own the big wheel version of the RV of course, & if the Yager'd had a bigger wheeled version I probably'd be interested.
Interesting. https://www.alliancepowersports.com/models/rv_specs.html (https://www.alliancepowersports.com/models/rv_specs.html)
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Interesting. https://www.alliancepowersports.com/models/rv_specs.html (https://www.alliancepowersports.com/models/rv_specs.html)
Owed one and regret the day I sold it.
Best bike I ever owned.
AMAC
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MCDCFC3 is right. For me, I would have continued riding my 110 everywhere but I needed those extra CCs for the hills around the peaks; Rocester, Cubley, sometimes Ashbourne and Belper etc. for my commute to Nottingham.
Sometimes I catch myself thinking that a 250 would be nice. But I'm sure that if I had a 250, I'd probably want a 400. In reality, the 163cc gets me up hills and over to work at about 90KMH; it's cheap motoring.
I have had my share of big bikes - I just don't enjoy them in the same way.
I live in Ashbourne Viper so everywhere I go is hilly
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This was a fun question to post. :)
Seems the largest Vespa bunch own the 300's - they reacted like ….well, a quote, "I'll give up my 300 when they pry my cold dead fingers off it!"
Posting this question, in America, is like asking folks if they really need more than a 1.8 L 4 cylinder.
Everyone lives in the Himalayas and is towing a double-wide!
Stig
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Posting this question, in America, is like asking folks if they really need more than a 1.8 L 4 cylinder.
Supposedly even the 1.0L 3 cylinder Geo Metro can do 90mph.
Personally I'd rather have a 4 cylinder minivan than a V6, simply for the ease of maintenance.
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Anything bigger than a 1.8L is a big motor in Europe! :D
Most people get around with 1.0, 1.4, 1.6 motors.
A 2L car is a big, powerful car to most people.
My other half's car (1.0L) gets us wherever we want to go; it just takes a while to do it. I suppose that's the cost of 50MPG, though.
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I owned a 2013 Agility 50 as my first scooter (2 wheel period actually) and I loved every second. However where I live there’s nothing, you drive in a car 15-20 minutes at 60mph to get to the next town to actually do anything.
And we have hills like crazy.
So when I upgraded to the Xciting 400i, I’m suddenly able to go everywhere, and also it’s far more comfortable.
And I love it around town, not as nimble as the Agility, but still plenty.
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I owned a 2013 Agility 50 as my first scooter (2 wheel period actually) and I loved every second. However where I live there’s nothing, you drive in a car 15-20 minutes at 60mph to get to the next town to actually do anything.
And we have hills like crazy.
So when I upgraded to the Xciting 400i, I’m suddenly able to go everywhere, and also it’s far more comfortable.
And I love it around town, not as nimble as the Agility, but still plenty.
When I traded in Natasha (the 153cc Honda PCX) for Diana (the X400i) it was like going from a go-kart to Formula 1. The fact that I could cruise at 50mph at 1/3 overall throttle was just mind-boggling, when I used to have to be at 80% throttle to do that. My behind notices the difference, and the knowledge of the extra power available to potentially get me out of trouble is a bit of peace of mind I didn't know I needed.
I had the absolute most pleasant drive into and from work today that you could imagine. Slight cloud cover meant that it was noticeably cooler, and I went to work at a time when the roads weren't nearly as congested as they usually are. I think I was about 10-12 minutes earlier than normal today, and it was great riding in. I made the 12.6 mile trip to work in a record 17 minutes. It normally takes me 19-21 minutes to make the trip in. Coming back, I was right at 19 minutes, because I caught two traffic lights.
I do not have the words to explain how much I appreciate the 400cc I have now. But I also, nostalgically, loved the 153cc I used to have. In the downtown area, she was unparalleled in quickness, agility, and maneuverability. Diana has some of the same quickness, not quite as much agility, and a little less maneuverability, but she has power and Ooomph that Natasha didn't have.
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Its completely flat where I live and that’s in the city. My scooter is strictly for small errands and commute to work. Now for pleasure and speed, I pull out my other beast. Yes your absolutely right when it comes to power to weight ratio but it MOVES! With all the mods I’ve done to it, it’ll lay rubber through second gear weighing in over 900lbs with me on it. I LOVE MY little LIKE though.
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I started out on a QT50 yamahopper that was 1981 i put 30,000 on that in two years.
Fast forward I put 280,000 on a XL883. Now retired I went to a 150x kymco for the riding i do its big enough. 35 to 40 is my average speed. Those wanting too go faster are free to go around. I've got no were to go and the rest of my life to get there.
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I started out on a QT50 yamahopper that was 1981 i put 30,000 on that in two years.
Fast forward I put 280,000 on a XL883. Now retired I went to a 150x kymco for the riding i do its big enough. 35 to 40 is my average speed. Those wanting too go faster are free to go around. I've got no were and the rest of my life to get there.
Bill, we are in the minority - with our 35/40mph 'happy speed' .
And I gotta say - that really troubles me too ;)
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Stig
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Bill, we are in the minority - with our 35/40mph 'happy speed' .
And I gotta say - that really troubles me too [emoji6]
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Stig
I don’t know about minority. I think 150cc is the most fun class of scoot personally. 35/45 mph is my sweet spot. But aren’t there more 50cc’s out there then anything?
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Stig, I have a basic premise for scooters and guns...never enough horsepower......Like on your Ford Silverado
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I don’t know about minority. I think 150cc is the most fun class of scoot personally. 35/45 mph is my sweet spot. But aren’t there more 50cc’s out there then anything?
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Probably are more 50's out there than anything - but my impression is that 95% of those owners hate that they can't go over 35.
Me, I'm clam happy.
Stig
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I guess the answer to that question totally depends on the intended use. Before my accident, I used my scooter as alternate transportation to my town car. As a result, I’d drive it to work several times/week 50 miles one way. So I NEEDED something that was highway capable. There was one unavoidable 4 lane stretch where the traffic moved at 65+. Also, ALL roads leading away from my house are narrow lane road with few passing zones and several blind curves and hills. They have a 45mph Speed limit (SUGGESTION). But even the older people regularly drive 55 (including me) who live out there and KNOW the road. Anything with a motor needs to be able to accelerate to 65 Quickly in emergencies and settle in at 55 for safety. I’m not one to try to make a point with a 4,000+ pound vehicle on my tail IMPATIENTLY waiting to pass. Lol.
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I couldn’t even win when I tried to make a point with a street sign. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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I couldn’t even win when I tried to make a point with a street sign. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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I guess the answer to that question totally depends on the intended use. Before my accident, I used my scooter as alternate transportation to my town car. As a result, I’d drive it to work several times/week 50 miles one way. So I NEEDED something that was highway capable. There was one unavoidable 4 lane stretch where the traffic moved at 65+. Also, ALL roads leading away from my house are narrow lane road with few passing zones and several blind curves and hills. They have a 45mph Speed limit (SUGGESTION). But even the older people regularly drive 55 (including me) who live out there and KNOW the road. Anything with a motor needs to be able to accelerate to 65 Quickly in emergencies and settle in at 55 for safety. I’m not one to try to make a point with a 4,000+ pound vehicle on my tail IMPATIENTLY waiting to pass. Lol.
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I understand Forbes, but I'm never going to put myself in a position to have to do 65.
I had two cars come up behind me in the light fog this morning on a 35>50mph stretch of county road.
As soon as we came to a straight bit of road I slowed and waved them past. No issues.
There is an older couple riding SYM 125's on country roads - they've ridden tens of thousands of miles on their little scooters. No issues. Wave people past.
A guy in Calif. with a Honda 50 Metro - thousands of miles - even takes it camping in the high country. No issues. Wave 'em by.
There ARE areas where I will not ride my small scooter - congested 4-lane blvds - I just stay off of them. Heck, I would not ride my 500lb Burgman 400 there!
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So it seems as if the answer depends on the purpose one intends to use the scooter. As stated above, I used mine as an alternative to a car riding to work nearly 50 miles from home. I simply would not have done so on a scooter that couldn’t reach highway speeds. It would have limited my riding to the scooter’s capabilities. I likely would have only used it for pleasure and as a weekend toy rather than a daily driver. If keeping up with the flow of traffic is important, then having a scooter capable of doing so is necessary. If not, then a 150 is fine.
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When I drove my Agility 50, I always waved people passed (or just stayed in the shoulder.) but I had more than a few people try and run me off the road from the shoulder.
Some people are absolutely crazy when it comes to a vehicle daring to go slower than them while they travel 25mph over.
Now I can easily twist my wrist and be far away from those people (after some blue truck nearly slamming me, I do not stick around distracted drivers.)
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So it seems as if the answer depends on the purpose one intends to use the scooter. As stated above, I used mine as an alternative to a car riding to work nearly 50 miles from home. I simply would not have done so on a scooter that couldn’t reach highway speeds. It would have limited my riding to the scooter’s capabilities. I likely would have only used it for pleasure and as a weekend toy rather than a daily driver. If keeping up with the flow of traffic is important, then having a scooter capable of doing so is necessary. If not, then a 150 is fine.
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Morning Forbes,
Writing here after my sunrise, backroads, ride for a cup of coffee in rural Ohio.
You'd like a 150, or even a 125, if you joined me.
I made this silly post after a happy morning ride a few weeks ago...."this is great!, why would anyone need more than the 155cc's I'm sitting on 😊 !?"
I drive in Florida, where you live, every year. I tell you....I would not ride a Ducati Monster out there every day with those people!
Yeah, no.
150's have a limited safe area in the States. I'm happy that I live in one of them.
Stig
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In and around Tallahassee, leisurely rides abound on weekends. During the workweek and when grade schools and universities are in session, it’s a different world. And when our lovely lawmakers (who ran on a platform of anti-Tallahassee) are in Town , Leisure riding (4 wheels or two) is at your own risk. [emoji23][emoji23]
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