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Scooters - 125 to 300 => People s200 => Topic started by: art on July 23, 2010, 03:24:25 AM
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Any one else run into this at a little past 100klh power is cut.Didn't think they limmited these after 150cc + Any one know or am I running into something else here,Works fine if I let off,I do have a couple small mods looking for more(always)
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..running the bowl dry??
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I think it may have a rev limit CDI, but it should not cut out, just not rev any higher. Mine does not cut out, but 60-61 MPH seems to be the max, and it is really screaming.
you may have a problem with the bike.
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I thought mayby more on the main,but it was more of a power cut, let off and all is well.hey scosgt I put a little heavier contra spring and lets it run alot higher with ease was not screaming like before just acted like a restricted 50,didn't think they would do such a thing for a 150 plus,any ideas on how to get around it.Havn't looked for the cdi yet.I think with a set of heavier rollers and the contra this thing will be somthing speciel,If i could disable the rev limmiter if it has one or Bigger jets ;)
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First of all, how about using some punctution and spelling? Your posts are very hard to read.
They put in a rev limiter for a reason. You will blow up your engine.
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Oh MY!!!Didn't know we had a spelling princess on the sight. Rev limiters are put in for a # of reasons,you may have noticed the speedo goes to 90mph. In this country A 150 cc is legal for freewasy use in many states. Having a bike shut the power down when you need it the most is dangerious. I have worked on allot of kymco's and all have been de- tuned for one reason or another. I'm sure in the rest of the world these bikes are going 120klm as intended.. Me personaly I like a bike to perform to it's best and get the satisfaction of learning from my mistakes. If it blows up it will give me a reason to go inside and learn more. If it's a success or failure I can pass the info on to others that may be interestad. Limits and laws are meant to be pushed in my book at all times. P.S. I did gergitate the 5th grade with Jethro bodine ;D
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Now that's better! I can understand what you said!
IF there is a rev limiter, it will just hold the RPMs to a certain amount, it will not "shut down", that is a whole other matter.
You might want to inquire on the scoot dawg forum, there are a lot of folks there who do all kinds of mods and repairs, and I am certain you will get the right direction to look in from them.
As far as 120 KM, that is 74 MPH (GPS, not Chinometer) and I REALLY don't think the 200S can come close to that.
There is a fellow on the SYM forum who did mods on the HD 200, which hits about that 74 MPH speed out of the box (but water cooled, 4 valve engine with ceramic one piece cylinder and 4 more HP than the People S). He did the exhaust, air box, jet AND a no limit CDI. He can hit 85 MPH GPS, but only for around 10 minutes then it starts to overheat - the cooling system can not handle it.
Being a People S 200 rider, I just don't see anything more than maybe 65 being squeezed out of it. YMMV
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By the way, I am not sure what you mean by "as intended". The specs on the bike are 63 MPH top speed, and I have never see it listed higher. Do you have some authority for that statement.
I do know that you can get a bit more speed with heavier rollers, but I put 14g sliders and it did not seem to help much if at all.
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Oh MY!!!Didn't know we had a spelling princess on the sight.
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..ya'll cracking me up!!!.....
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No i do not have any authorty just 40+ years of bikes as a hobby,most bikes will do the indicated top speed or close to it.
The 40 mile difference is not normal.
To meet certain standerds in this country they do from time to time set them up to under perform. For instance you would never see a kymco people 50 restricted to the point of being dangerious to meet a moped description in asia.
I do this for fun nothing else! Might not be your idea of fun,but this bike will go faster or blow up before i'm done with it. ;) :D ;D.
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I do this for fun nothing else! Might not be your idea of fun,but this bike will go faster or blow up before i'm done with it.
..'nuff said....
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You are another one who seems to need lessons!
Some wordslinger.
More like a word mangler
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No i do not have any authorty just 40+ years of bikes as a hobby,most bikes will do the indicated top speed or close to it.
The 40 mile difference is not normal.
To meet certain standerds in this country they do from time to time set them up to under perform. For instance you would never see a kymco people 50 restricted to the point of being dangerious to meet a moped description in asia.
I do this for fun nothing else! Might not be your idea of fun,but this bike will go faster or blow up before i'm done with it. ;) :D ;D.
Motorcycles maybe. Scooters no way. They always read WAY higher than they go.
But OK, maybe you can go 70 MPH DOWNHILL on a 30 degree hill with a 90 mile per hour tailwind. It's possible I guess
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..oh, get off your high horse scos..gt...
..why do you want to talk somebody out of doing something to their own scoot...
..it concerns you not at all!!
..live and let everybody else frikin' (like that?) live!!..
..you don't have to agree with everything anybody does...but why would you trash ppl (there's another)
just because they don't type perfectly, or abbreviate their words...
..some ppl (!) enjoy pushing their scoots to the next level..and that's okay!!
..some ppl (!) are satisfied with their scoots as they are off the showroom floor..that's ok too!!!
..give it a rest.....
peace
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You are another one who seems to need lessons!
Some wordslinger. (fragment..not a complete sentence)
More like a word mangler (no period and it's just as well, because it was never a complete sentence anyway...)
..reckon nobody is as perfect as they think they are..
..but i really don't care...it's OK!!!
..make mistakes!!..we don't care if you do!!!
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When you post the way that Art has been posting (and you to some extent, although not as bad) it is very hard to read.
Your comments are not appropriate. I am not trashing anyone. I am asking Art to post in ENGLISH so I can read his posts. This is not trashing anyone.
As far as the bike is concerned, I have that bike. There is no way on the planet earth you can make that bike go 90 MPH on the factory engine and transmission - sure, if you find a way to put a 1200cc H-D engine on it, that will work.
But this is only a 12HP bike, and it is air cooled. It can only rev to a certain level no matter what you do, and as I stated before, I did some tranny changes on mine and it did not help that much. A pipe and air box and jet will squeeze out a few more MPH but at what price? And by price, I mean both the cost of the mods plus the wear on the engine and transmission.
If you want to go 90 MPH you just have to buy a bigger bke.
AND, consider the bike itself. I find it very uncomfortable on the highway. I can get 60 MPH on the flat, but quite frankly it is scary. The bike is lightweight and does not feel that stable at speed. I can't even imagine it at 90 MPH.
As I mentioned I also have the SYM HD 200. It can hold 70 MPH (GPS) with no problem, and it just rides more solid and stable. But I would not personally do 90 MPH on that bike either. It is still only 277 pounds dry weight, compared to a Police H-D that is what, 900 pounds?
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Some wordslinger.
More like a word mangler
..that's not trashing??
..screw th' hell outta correct english...i type as i want..
..can't read it?..move on to the next post...
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Grow a sense of humor.
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..stop complaining...
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He did the exhaust, air box, jet AND a no limit CDI. He can hit 85 MPH GPS, but only for around 10 minutes then it starts to overheat - the cooling system can not handle it.
..no cvt mods??
..cvt modifications are the key top higher top speeds without working your engine to death...
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The SYM comes with 16g rollers (as compared to the 12g in the People S) and the dealers advise not to increase them - the HD is basically set up at the factory for max performance.
He did install sliders recently, but the same 16g, and he advises a bit more acceleration, which makes sense, as sliders are supposed to allow the variator to close up sooner.
The 85 MPH was without any CVT mods at all, but again, there are already 16g rollers in there.
FWIW the Worldwide (non-US) version of the HD comes with 13g rollers, and that is what is stated in the service manual. But the US version comes with 16g. So maybe the US version is set up to go to a higher top speed?
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...i'm finding that, on my agility 50, a step up in the length of your drive belt, along with lighter rollers and stiffer torque spring can create a higher top speed, with equal or less rpms than the engine revs to during acceleration...
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I think that belt choices are VERY limited on the S200, as the belt is proprietary, and is NOT standard GY6.
The usual wisdom is that heavier rollers give more top end, and lighter rollers give better acceleration. But since you also tweaked the clutch springs that might make a difference.
The S200 has pretty good acceleration, so I have found that heavier sliders are not a big problem.
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..the A50 belt is also of it's own animal...
..standard gy6 50 belts are much shorter..the agility's distance from the engine's output shaft, to the tranny's input shaft is greater than the standard chinese gy6...
..the super fever's belt is the same way...
..many kymco's are seemingly proprietary...
..however, that doesn't mean that you must always USE that length of belt..
..a few millimeters difference in belt length changes everything..
..saw it in my ppl 50 experiments,(tried a 748, and it's too long) and i'm refining the length in my a50...
..the two scoots use the same oem belt...
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The problem lies in finding something close.
the SYM also uses a proprietary belt, and there was a shortage in the US. So someone tried a "similar" belt, and it was a total failure. If you could find a belt a few mm longer and the proper width, it would probably work, but it appears there is no such thing available. I think the SY was 919, and the one he found was 906. He got it on, but it was horrible. And the width was off as well.
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...i tried a 748-18-28...
...it slipped and eventually melted...hadda push it home...
..the 729-18-30 is performing great on my 4-stroke scoot...
..can't wait to try that belt on my 2-stroke...
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I think the SY was 919, and the one he found was 906.
..can NEVER go shorter...
..especially if it's a 50cc 2-stroke and you've done any other mods...like removing the drive boss restriction...and installing a free-flow air filter and increasing the main jet...
..must go longer...
..ever snapped a kevlar belt??
..it ain't very pretty...
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Ha! this used to be such a nice place .For todays results found a longer belt. the mrp mp-03050k its a hair too long,little belt slap at idle. Not impressed with it just yet,need those weights. There is a rev limiter has been delt with. I still had a bit of a sputter at the 55 to 60 mark. this was beeing caused by a ritch condition do to my upjetting and not opening the air box enouph,walla took the cover off and sputter is gone. Now expieriancing a lean condition Ha! More jets!!! Overall no more top speed but the throttle responce and 0 to 50 much improved and the motor not working as hard as it was. I'm shooting for a realistic 70 to 75 mph top and believe it's possible,we will see.
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There is a rev limiter has been delt with.
..do tell!!
..need to get rid of that airbox first........
..start with an open air flow...tune from there...
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Ha! this used to be such a nice place .For todays results found a longer belt. the mrp mp-03050k its a hair too long,little belt slap at idle. Not impressed with it just yet,need those weights. There is a rev limiter has been delt with. I still had a bit of a sputter at the 55 to 60 mark. this was beeing caused by a ritch condition do to my upjetting and not opening the air box enouph,walla took the cover off and sputter is gone. Now expieriancing a lean condition Ha! More jets!!! Overall no more top speed but the throttle responce and 0 to 50 much improved and the motor not working as hard as it was. I'm shooting for a realistic 70 to 75 mph top and believe it's possible,we will see.
OK, so I think you are saying that you caused the power loss. OK, that happens when you start changing things. The weights won't do much, but you might want to go with say 16g sliders, because the 14 don't do a thing for top end. The acceleration on this bike from 15-50 is pretty darn good, so I doubt you did that - but it should allow for the heavier sliders since you don't need to worry about making it a dog.
FWIW, mine hits around 52 pretty quick, then takes a while to build up to 59 or 60, which is the end on level ground. It does, however, hold the speed on mild hills.
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..my ppl 50 soars to 40 like a jet...levels out for a bit up to 50...
..then it hit's another band and zips to over 60, indicated ...
..in relation to how fast i've ridden and gps'd my a50, i'd estimate it at 56-7 mph....
..it's noticably faster...
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No doubt the o to 50 much improved 50 to 60 little lag(bog). Think the weights are a must to level the changes out,but too under jetted to get a real feel at this point. I'm not sure of the weights at this point till i get the bike jetted properly. A local shop has a set of Dr pulley 18x14x16 he might let me try. It might be too much of a jump at this point. Got to get the jetting right first. I was thinking 14.5g or 15g if available.We will see.
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I think they are 18X14
I have tried 13.5 and 14, they don't make much of a difference, and it should not bog!
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Well it's called fuel starvation. It happens when your jets are not large enouph.
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Wall race fans and h8ters alike I have cracked the s200 mystery. I gots it to per like a kitten whithee loads of trottle ahhh ha ha ha ha!!!! But miss maners ang the false kymco god frouns apon my knoledgeeessss ;D Tant a man or machine i's cint teatrs apert,some s note to worrrtths puttin backks tgithers.shhh ha ha ha !!!!
On a seriuse note any one interested p.m. me Don't want to deal with a flake .Will post pics and info at a later date,If a member with a born on date before 7/o1/2010 will be happy to help you out. Disclaimer If you venture down this road you will VOID your warrenty :D ,just don't want to give it up to a pompus ass that don't put the wrench to the bike and tell's me it can't be done.You will not go 100 mph but all will be enhanced and the motor will no longer be {SCREAMING} or regulated when power is needed the most(emergincy sitchuation) HA!
Never did under stand how a person could get his jolly's off this way OH well. This dislexic killbilly is out
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What did he just say?
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..it's encoded killbilly..
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Waaha hahahahahah get along litte doggy
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I guess there aren't any adults here (aside from me).
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HeeeHeeeHEEE! check the profile(I notice you didn't give any of your info) I relizs your too good for us and all but hey.If jumping on people for errors and spelling is your game,It's not needed by me.If you have some info that is helpfull pass it on. Havn't heard any from you yet. I like to get my hands dirty and solve problems,don't like the way i do it,don't respond. I realy work on my stuff and enjoy a challenge,Will post my results good or bad IT'S HELPFULL. You are not at this point ,reality if we we're at a bar and face to face I doubt you would act like this if you did this would have been over awhile ago.Hide behind your keyboard Turn your nose up and watch ya might learn something. ;D
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..na-na-na-na--boo-booo!!!
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HeeeHeeeHEEE! check the profile(I notice you didn't give any of your info) I relizs your too good for us and all but hey.If jumping on people for errors and spelling is your game,It's not needed by me.If you have some info that is helpfull pass it on. Havn't heard any from you yet. I like to get my hands dirty and solve problems,don't like the way i do it,don't respond. I realy work on my stuff and enjoy a challenge,Will post my results good or bad IT'S HELPFULL. You are not at this point ,reality if we we're at a bar and face to face I doubt you would act like this if you did this would have been over awhile ago.Hide behind your keyboard Turn your nose up and watch ya might learn something. ;D
You have to be a real jerkoff if you are offended that I asked you to post in some language a normal person can read. You are obviously capable of doing that, you are simply too lazy and disrespectful to do so. Remember, I said "I am having trouble reading your posts".
You can do whatever you want to your bike. It is your bike. It will not go 90 MPH, and if you say it does, I call BS.
You seem to think you could call me out in a bar fight - now who is hiding behind a keyboard? You have no idea who I am or what I am capable of. But that does not matter, because it is simply an empty threat.
But don't worry, I won't bother to answer your posts anymore. YOU have no useful information to impart.
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...can't everybody just...FEEL.. the luv......
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I asked you to post in some language a normal person can read.
..scosgt, there are ppl here that barely know the english language...
..they're normal people though...
..there are people here that just don't type well...i use 3-6 fingers to type, myself...
..they are normal people too!!
..there are normal people here, that like to find out just how much performance enhancements a scoot can stand...and they post that information for the use of every other normal, interested person...
..to proclaim that it's not possible to do something, when you've never even tried, is not normal behavior..
I guess there aren't any adults here (aside from me).
..now, is that statement just a product of your abnormally dry wit?
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i use 3-6 fingers to type, myself... This is possible damn! ;D I arnt book smart. I do the real thing. Dude you went out of your way to condisend and backhand comment any time you could,we do read your other posts. By the way I am a jerkoff and proud of it!!! When necesary. Don't know why you think you are living in the high tower(they do fall) but playing your game does not appeal to me. Enjoy the sight It does help many.
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You have to be a real jerkoff if you are offended that I asked you to post in some language a normal person can read. You are obviously capable of doing that, you are simply too lazy and disrespectful to do so. Remember, I said "I am having trouble reading your posts". You can do whatever you want to your bike. It is your bike. It will not go 90 MPH, and if you say it does, I call BS. You seem to think you could call me out in a bar fight - now who is hiding behind a keyboard? You have no idea who I am or what I am capable of. But that does not matter, because it is simply an empty threat. But don't worry, I won't bother to answer your posts anymore. YOU have no useful information to impart.
OOUUUCH!!!!!...... "I SEE", "I SEE" said the blind man........
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..dude, you should look at the final drive ratios...
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..did you say you're still running the stock length belt??
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Ha! Mamma taught me some manners,not the typing and spelling so much ;D .The gears are out ther I think they reside in a people s 250 ;D
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..i gained nearly 5 mph top speed with the 729 belt
..and my engine is turning lower rpms at the highest top speeds ive ever ran...
..i've turned this engine really high before, and gotten 52...gps..scuzz...
..it's around 57 now...
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Ya running the stocker the extended slapped a bit it would work but since it was a 24 hr loan decided to go a different rout, when i installed the oem noticed it had the potential to shudder a bit too. seems to work well with the set as is
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(i think you two may be right).....lmao ....i dont think we would either........oh well i guess.....lmao
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It was a $60 dollar mrp think i could find a little cheaper and 1/4" shorter some were else.The weights were a luck find and they work great!!!
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...i'm thinking a difference of around 1/8"...that's more like how the 729 measures out against the b2300 oem belt...
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..standard belt..42 bucks at my one and only half-way decent local scoot shop...
..they're gettin better...
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I think the 729 is the stock length but the width is killing me,got one on the shelf waiting for the hot rod 50 next round by the way got a set of dr pully 9.5 g in it now I'm close!!! new clutch gear and drive face comming!!! Look out it's ganna scream not bad as is to 60.
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...from my measurements and comparisons, the 729 length falls between the gates 748 and the bando 23100....
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Miss info the gates 748 is the same length as the stock s200 but not wide enouph,The info seems to be hard to get all at once I'm a piecing it together though. Me and local shop have had to kymco calls to reps but none are in the wherehouse Bla bla bla, till monday they seem to be holding the info back, It did cross refrence to a mitsubishi car but no #s yet,might be a commen car belt.
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..i got the 748 from the local NAPA...
..when i called with the size, th guy asked..."scooter belt?"
..so the 748 is oem for the 200...making good sense now...
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Not wide enouph though,the gates belt. Any way,can't get any real #'s. It's proprietory stuff HA!
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..as said......
..i didn't even know i could still spell prepriatory...
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...wait...maybe a ..highlight...copy...paste...
prepriatory
..yup..i can do it!!!
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Ha! Hell I can't even say it at this point in the evening,try it realy fast 3 times ;D
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..yeah, and it's 12:45 here!!!
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I'm sure were having too much fun on this thread. Going to have to call it a night,I Know theres a time diffirence and all but one of the advantages(disadvantages) of being Disabled is i can start to party early and the three bikes i playyed with today was an early start 6 pack apiece day Yee f/n haw!!! catch ya all later .
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...peace out bro...
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