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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Downtown 300 => Topic started by: Molino on December 24, 2017, 12:58:26 PM

Title: regulator repeated failure
Post by: Molino on December 24, 2017, 12:58:26 PM
i wanna ask about an issue, i'm having a damaged regulator (rectifier) for the second time in less than one year, the first damaged one was the stock one after more than 2 years service (24,000 km) and the second less than 1 year later (about 36,000 km service)
the first and the second time i thought it was the battery but after measuring the diode by avometer, the regulator found to be the faulty one
i'm just wondering if this is normal that rate of damage for the regulator or is this related to any other factor in my electric circuit (i have changed the main headlight bulbs with LED type 40w each)
i found a video on youtube talking about changing the position of the regulator to have more air flow thus prevent its failure due to excess heat not dissipated   
also would it be better to replace the damaged one with a regulator with bigger area (for example for the xciting 500) to give better heat dissipation?
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: kneeslider on December 26, 2017, 01:44:34 AM
Well, In Malaysia, we have the Downtown 200.

The 200s here do not have rectifier problems, the Xcit 400 has rectifier problems.

I am not sure if the 300 shares the rectifier with the 200 or 400 models, if it does with the 400, then perhaps it is a part issue.
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: CROSSBOLT on December 26, 2017, 02:45:20 PM
Same part in nearly all models from DT200i to the 500's. Replace with Honda reg-rect made by Shindengen 232-12. Bigger cooling fins (heat sink) and better electronic components. Same plug connectors, same wire colors. This was all worked out and proven by Peter Kapitar in Hungary. Ebay replacements are as bad as Kymco reg-rect. Unless it is the Honda.

Karl
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: Molino on December 26, 2017, 07:03:13 PM
Same part in nearly all models from DT200i to the 500's. Replace with Honda reg-rect made by Shindengen 232-12. Bigger cooling fins (heat sink) and better electronic components. Same plug connectors, same wire colors. This was all worked out and proven by Peter Kapitar in Hungary. Ebay replacements are as bad as Kymco reg-rect. Unless it is the Honda.

Karl

Thank you karl for your advice ; could you give me a link for this Honda rectifier to look for it here in Egypt
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: Molino on December 26, 2017, 07:05:35 PM
Well, In Malaysia, we have the Downtown 200.

The 200s here do not have rectifier problems, the Xcit 400 has rectifier problems.

I am not sure if the 300 shares the rectifier with the 200 or 400 models, if it does with the 400, then perhaps it is a part issue.
Thank you kneeslider for your feedback ; but we don't have here in Egypt DT 200 and never heard a problem with xciting 400
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: CROSSBOLT on December 26, 2017, 09:34:50 PM
Do you have either Amazon.com  or ebay.com in Egypt? I did a search and Amazon does not list any location in Egypt. However, Germany has a huge location for European and Mediterranean distribution. Alibaba also has these things but may be third party availability. Ebay does have these but beware of cheaper copies and shipping points. Honda and Kymco part numbers are the same: 31600 with various suffix. Many ATVs &  motorcycles use this reg-rect with the same connectors.

Karl
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: de dee on December 27, 2017, 04:03:16 PM
 ;) I have ordered the reg. shindengen 232-12 from E bay on the 26 dec .  it should be here the 29 dec.   in masenna NY.
it is -33 C here this morning it should warm up to -20 C by 1 oclock. , I might poke  my nose out for a while , for fresh air,  check the batterys in the garage, keep them at full charge so they don't freeze,   
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: Molino on January 03, 2018, 09:50:09 AM
;) I have ordered the reg. shindengen 232-12 from E bay on the 26 dec .  it should be here the 29 dec.   in masenna NY.
it is -33 C here this morning it should warm up to -20 C by 1 oclock. , I might poke  my nose out for a while , for fresh air,  check the batterys in the garage, keep them at full charge so they don't freeze,
could you send me the part number for this rectifier to look for it here at Honda workshop?
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: de dee on January 03, 2018, 10:47:50 AM
I got the reg., from E bay     mcatvme        delivered from     Findley Motorsports   1013  Buck Rd.  Quarryville Pa.  17566  USA
  shindengen 232-12
 did not have phone #
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: de dee on January 15, 2018, 07:17:46 PM
  30 below this morn.   23 below now 2 PM  installed new Reg. and new stator, checked out for spark,  big OK.   turned over motor and got a big backfire, got to put intake together, and all the tupper-ware on then next week it should be warm enough to run it just for testing you know!, tried to start the Piaggio 350  no spark,  to cold in the garage still 30 below in there, 
 to much snow can I send some to you southeners so you can enjoy it too,.  would 4 or 5 feet be enough,


Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: ole two wheels on January 16, 2018, 03:24:53 AM
We're having a big snow storm tonight, here in Tennessee,. All the schools are closed and you couldn't get in Kroger or Walmart. Every body stocking up . This is gonna be a bigi one.. Could get up to 2 inches. PleaSE KEEP ALL YOUR SNOW de dee.
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: de dee on January 18, 2018, 09:23:57 PM
3rd. time the town removed the snow banks on the side o the road, gets to high cant see cars on side streets,  and the streets get to narrow,  the heavy snow fall comes in Feb. and Mar.  cant wait for that,  OH OH  HA HA
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: ole two wheels on January 19, 2018, 12:10:15 AM
Getting up near 60 f here Sat. and Sun. but it won't help me. I'll probably be down til this time 2019.. I envy you guys who can ride, but hopefully I will ride again. Too much snow up there de dee. Better stay off the street until the thaw. At your age, if you go down you'll probably break something and old bones heal slow.
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: CROSSBOLT on January 19, 2018, 01:45:36 PM
What's going on with you, Mac? Sounds serious.
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: de dee on January 19, 2018, 03:58:40 PM
when you get the new hip are you installing a new Reg. and stator, so you can be bright and shinny, best of luck the good times are coming back,  that is your second hip done ? is it,   when I did my two hips a few months after,  I slipped on ice and poped one out , boy was that a screemer,  don't want to do that again!!!!
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: ole two wheels on January 19, 2018, 05:20:20 PM
Hi Karl. Had the right hip replaced in late 2016 and then found out that the left hip and knee need replacing. As if that wasn't bad enough, I managed to break the left Ischium (sit bone) off of the Ilium , or pelvis.. My doc said 3 to 4 mo. for that to heal and then we'd take a look at the hip replacement followed by the knee replacement.. So I figure all this will keep me down most of this year. Just hope when that's all finished I'll be able to walk and ride again. I guess I'm just old and wearing out.
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: CROSSBOLT on January 19, 2018, 10:51:38 PM
Is that what happened, like De dee? Did a brodie on the ice and bust yer butt? Say it ain't so, Mac!
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: de dee on January 19, 2018, 11:05:04 PM
Hi Karl. Had the right hip replaced in late 2016 and then found out that the left hip and knee need replacing. As if that wasn't bad enough, I managed to break the left Ischium (sit bone) off of the Ilium , or pelvis.. My doc said 3 to 4 mo. for that to heal and then we'd take a look at the hip replacement followed by the knee replacement.. So I figure all this will keep me down most of this year. Just hope when that's all finished I'll be able to walk and ride again. I guess I'm just old and wearing out,

  if we keep getting new parts will we get to be A 6 million dollar man, 
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: CROSSBOLT on January 20, 2018, 03:34:16 PM
Mac, I just re-read all of the above. I am so sorry to hear of your injuries! Hip, knee and sittin' bone: that is a bummer. You need any help with anything?
Title: Re: regulator repeated failure
Post by: de dee on March 01, 2018, 10:36:12 PM
  the dealer gave me a price of3,400.00 to replace the ECU,  AND HARNESS , I brought it home ,ordered the parts from USA,  $ 435.00 INSTALLED THEM ,,STILL NO SPARK!!!!   INSTALLED COIL,  STATER, $ 216.00   AND Reg.  $ 46.00  all parts total  $ 697.00,     AND IT RUNS LIKE NEW AGAIN,   now I need warm weather to put all the tupper-ware on,  I may put the seat on and take it for a little run, ya, we could get another month of cold weather,