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Title: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: Scooter Dan on April 10, 2017, 01:54:57 PM
Yesterday changed oil and filter and final drive fluid in the SW. Guess what showed up in the bottom of the oil pan.....After the job was completed?  Geez, what an idiot. Not sure Kymco uses these too but seems like most scooters do? This is the one behind the oil plug/nut. How critical is it not to have it installed or should I drain/save oil and install this little jewell?

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Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: ronigj on April 10, 2017, 02:23:18 PM
Yesterday changed oil and filter and final drive fluid in the SW. Guess what showed up in the bottom of the oil pan.....After the job was completed?  Geez, what an idiot. Not sure Kymco uses these too but seems like most scooters do? This is the one behind the oil plug/nut. How critical is it not to have it installed or should I drain/save oil and install this little jewell?

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Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: MJR on April 10, 2017, 03:08:59 PM
The MyRoad uses one. I'd put it back in anyway.

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Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: woodsrat on April 10, 2017, 03:14:10 PM
If the drain plug is on the side of the motor simply have someone hold the bike for you, lean it WAAAAAAY over so the oil won't run out and re-install it.  If it's on the bottom you're outta luck.
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on April 10, 2017, 05:08:18 PM
I saw Red Green handle something like this situation:
Drain plug on his truck was rounded off, so he pried out the engine, with some difficulty,  took off the oil fill cap and flipped over the engine to get the oil out.
All you need is some rope, a tree, some pulleys and some real dumb neighbor kids. With scoot hanging by its tires, remove drain cap and toss the screen in.
You're  welcome.
Take pix please....
Stig
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: CROSSBOLT on April 10, 2017, 06:39:14 PM
Please explain WHY there would be a strainer on the OIL DRAIN. I know there are some configured without a filter that  have a screen and a big spring like in MJR's picture but that would not be the drain. Drains on most Kymcos are an17 mm bolt with an aluminum gasket/washer.

Karl
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: blue on April 10, 2017, 06:48:34 PM
I would put it back.It helps to catch any metal pieces that might be floating around in your oil.and dirt.
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: Scooter Dan on April 10, 2017, 11:23:05 PM
Since I need more bonding time with my SW, I'll drop the oil and save to re- install. Kinda thought it ought to go back in too, the midget filter screen that is. What Doo Doo brain. &$#5$-#?!!!;&
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: Tromper on April 11, 2017, 01:20:23 AM
Just smile and call it a mod that increases oil flow :)
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: Mr. Paul on April 11, 2017, 01:23:45 AM
I would leave it out until the next oil change. After a few thousand miles, it is unlikely there is any metal in there to be screened. After a while, I got tired of checking mine at every oil change. Now I do when I get a roundtoit.
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: MJR on April 11, 2017, 01:34:38 AM
Drains on most Kymcos are an17 mm bolt with an aluminum gasket/washer.

Yup pictured to the right of the filler cap and left of the crankcase vent plug in back.
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: GLV55 on April 11, 2017, 06:11:51 PM
Since I need more bonding time with my SW, I'll drop the oil and save to re- install. Kinda thought it ought to go back in too, the midget filter screen that is. What Doo Doo brain. &$#5$-#?!!!;&
Don't feel bad about this. We have all done something similar, if not this same thing...even if we won't admit to it.  ;)
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: Tromper on April 12, 2017, 12:08:32 AM
Don't feel bad about this. We have all done something similar, if not this same thing...even if we won't admit to it.  ;)

Yeah, I'm one of the ones who doesn't admit to it. 
Join us in our silent shame. 8)
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on April 12, 2017, 11:33:31 AM
It's nice, at my age - I  don't  remember what I forgot.  So just sail along with a stupid grin on my mug.
The library will phone if I'm  overdue.
Stig
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: Scooter Dan on April 12, 2017, 10:50:45 PM
It's nice, at my age - I  don't  remember what I forgot.  So just sail along with a stupid grin on my mug.
The library will phone if I'm  overdue.
Stig

Yep, at least I didn't throw the baby out with the bath water and throw away the filter screen with the old oil. I suppose when I forget to change the oil and burn up the engine it's time for Domino's.
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: ole two wheels on April 13, 2017, 02:48:18 AM
The purpose if the screen is not to filter the oil, but rather to catch any metal or aluminum particles that are suspended in the oil and got pass the oil filter. That is to let you know a little bit about what is going on in the engine. I have hardly ever found anything in my basket and thats a good thing. Means all the material is staying where it belongs. So leaving is out for one change isn't going to hurt it. IMHO.


Mac
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: ole two wheels on April 13, 2017, 03:04:50 AM
I forgot to mention this, that is why most Maintenance schedules call for the 1st oil and filter change around 500~600 miles, to remove any residual fragments from castings that fall off or anything from ring setting. After that a well maintained engine of quality shouldn't produce much of anything large enough to wind up in the strainer basket. Don't worry Dan, anyone can tell you that really good mechanics always have a few parts left over. Hee Hee


Mac
Title: Re: Oops, guess what I found?
Post by: Scooter Dan on April 13, 2017, 03:21:19 AM
I forgot to mention this, that is why most Maintenance schedules call for the 1st oil and filter change around 500~600 miles, to remove any residual fragments from castings that fall off or anything from ring setting. After that a well maintained engine of quality shouldn't produce much of anything large enough to wind up in the strainer basket. Don't worry Dan, anyone can tell you that really good mechanics always have a few parts left over. Hee Hee


Mac

Thanks Mac, that makes me feel better. My SW has over 40k so not a new engine. I'll probably leave it out then until the next oil change.