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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Joebug on August 31, 2016, 11:33:05 PM
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So I changed my oil today, and I usually use a cut off round gallon jug from a windshield washer container to catch the oil then transfer to a used oil container, this way I can see what comes outed..anyway, I start draining the oil... And it comes out pretty dark, I guess normal... and it keeps coming and coming and I'm looking at it in amazement because all of this oil keeps draining out. Turns out there was a little over 1 1/2 quarts of oil in it! My model calls for 0.9 liter or just shy of 1 quart! So it basically had double the amount of oil in it!
My concern is what kind of damage could this have caused? I'm thinking blown seals but it doesn't leak....maybe lucky?
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Ah, Joe, that should have shown on the dipstick. During your pre-delivery inspection. Too much oil is not good because it gets whipped into a froth and the oil pump fails to deliver sufficient oil to the valve cover area. Having said all that, I would not worry too much since most all the Kymco models are nearly bullet-proof. I recommend you check the valves and the cam for any scoring. All is well if the cam lobes look good. The only model that seemed to have problems with cam hardness is the Xciting 500i and it has a LOT more oil in the sump than .9 quart.
Karl
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Karl
I should have stated that I bought it second hand and the previous owner overfilled it or his mechanic did, one or the other. I checked the oil prior to purchasing but I didn't notice it being that high, but then I guess I was only concerned that it had oil in it... Who overfills the oil? That was just stupid. They probably just filled it til it came out the top! The screen was clean...no debris and the used oil didn't appear to have any shavings in it. So checking the cam sounds like a big job... Seems like I have to take most of the plastic off to get to the engine? Might be time for a service manual...
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Wow, Joe, that's a lot of extra oil !!!! How many miles did you drive, from the time you bought it, to the time you changed it? I'm shocked that you didn't blow a seal. When I bought mine from the dealer, he told me he just had his tech change the oil. Couldn't remember what oil they use, he said. So as soon as I got it home( rented a u-haul motorcycle trailer for $15) I changed the oil myself. That way I knew what kind and how much was in there . Hope everything is fine with yours
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most likely everything is ok.
I would make sure the engine has the proper amount of oil and ride on.
You might want to check your air filter and see if it is saturated with oil.
If your engine is running good with no obvious leaks, you should be fine.
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Don't have to do much plastic removal, just remove seat and tub underneath and maybe a panel in front of engine to get at the rocker cover. Then remove rocker cover to inspect. While in there check the valve clearances to be sure. No biggie.
Karl
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Also need to drain the hang down overflow oil drain tube thingy.Whats that called Karl? I'm getting sometimers!
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Also need to drain the hang down overflow oil drain tube thingy.Whats that called Karl? I'm getting sometimers!
Puke tube
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More than likely no issue, but do what was suggested by the gang to be sure.
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Thanks Troutbum! I think the Puke Tube hangs down near the holder-upper ;D
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I alway just leave my puke tube unpluged...just hope nobody fallows to close behinde me.......lol.
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Generally speaking, if nothing happened, then nothing happened. And if something happened, it has already happened and will be obvious. Overfilling is most likely to cause problems at higher rpm. I know the small engine is slightly more sensitive. But we've had careless lube guys to forget to drain the old oil and install 6qts of new oil. The customer would leave. If they were a conservative driver, they might not notice for several day until they have to rapidly accelerate. Then it smokes like a burning oil well. They come in in a panic. We drain the oil and properly fill it. We drive it about ten miles to clear the smoke and to make sure there are no obvious problems. The manager puts in writing that if a problem occurs within X amount of time or mileage, the shop will make it good, they offer the customer a few free oil changes or a free detail for good will. And the customer is on their way. So far no one has returned with engine problems. If there is any damage, it has always been evident immediately. I'm going a long way around to say don't worry. Just make sure it never happens again.
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Thanks for the replys....I don't believe anything major happened either at this point...it seems to be running real good ....I don't want to jinx myself so I'll leave it at that...lol. I will however take a look at the air filter and replace it if needed. By the way...what's this puke tube ya'll talking about? Lol.
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Scion owners report doing their first DIY oil change...then putting in four qts and finding oil massively overfilled....because they had drained tranny fluid.
Stig
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Scion owners report foing their first DIY oil change...then putting in four qts and finding oil massively overfilled....because they had drained tranny fluid.
Stig
Yes, on many Toyota/scion products the transmission drain plug stands out more than the oil drain plug. There was also one brand of car that had a relatively large place for the transmission dipstick. And a customer added motor oil to the automatic transmission. That caused major problems
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Scion owners report foing their first DIY oil change...then putting in four qts and finding oil massively overfilled....because they had drained tranny fluid.
Stig
File these two under "At least they tried, bless their hearts"
1. My nephew had an early 80's Mustang. He was trying to do his own oil change He called me wondering why the oil would not go down into the engine but ran over instead. After a little back and forth. I discovered that he had removed the air filter and was pouring oil into the carburetor. No permanent damage. But My brother had to replace the plugs and rebuild the carburetor.
2. My sister in law called because while adding water to the radiator, she noticed that it seemed to take too much water . She suspected that she MAY have added it to the wrong place. YEP! Right into the crankcase where you add the oil![emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]. Thankfully, she did not attempt to start it up
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AAAArrrggghhhh! I don't think you are kidding....!
Karl
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AAAArrrggghhhh! I don't think you are kidding....!
Karl
Both true stories.
I had to hold back my laughter instinct since I didn't want to cause my brother problems trying to justify to his wife his baby brother's uncontrollable laughter.
But my nephew was fair game. He tried to blame me because earlier he had called me asking where to add the oil. I told him to remove the cap on the top of the engine. Well, the air filter housing was the highest point, but I thought that common sense would have told him... Oh well... He was only 20 or so then.
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Thanks for the replys....I don't believe anything major happened either at this point...it seems to be running real good ....I don't want to jinx myself so I'll leave it at that...lol. I will however take a look at the air filter and replace it if needed. By the way...what's this puke tube ya'll talking about? Lol.
The tube can be found at; http://www.kymcopartsmonster.com/pages/OemParts?aribrand=KYM#/Kymco_USA/BA50AB_People_S_250/Air_Cleaner/2K03080005/2K03080077 (http://www.kymcopartsmonster.com/pages/OemParts?aribrand=KYM#/Kymco_USA/BA50AB_People_S_250/Air_Cleaner/2K03080005/2K03080077) It is part 95003 on the diagram. The bottom has a cap that can be taken off and any excess oil can be drained.
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Thanks for the info on the puke tube... should this be drained regularly? I'm hearing some kind of noise coming from the engine/tranny area..some say it's the reed valve? Not sure but it sounds kinda weird.... hear it when accelerating mostly. Not sure if this puke tube is related or not but maybe something isn't breathing correctly or maybe this reed valve needs more room for expanding? Lol I have no idea...
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"Puke tube should be checked/drained just at the regular oil change interval. The tube is usually transparent so a visual inspection is all that is needed. Did you check your air filter? The excess oil could have gotten sucked up there blocking your air filter. As far as the noise, in my opinion sometimes when we look for problems, we will find them. Whether they are there or not. If the scooter is running well, all should be good. Every machine has its own "character" and part of that is noises. I have almost tore down a complete CVT drive looking for a noise that turned out to be a loose muffler heat shield bolt! Best way to isolate noise is to place the scooter on the center stand, make sure the rear wheel stays off the ground, and run it up to RPM. You can then walk around and see exactly where the noise is coming from. (Yes, I have long arms ) I suspect its probably nothing to worry about. ;)
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Oldest son and his buddy were installing stereo into his sweet Auidi 4000S.
Did not disconnect the battery.
Blew a fuse.
Radio worked...car wouldn't.
Took my mechanic all afternoon to discover the boys had moved a fuse to fix the radio.
Pulled it from EFI system....and never thought to mention this to Pop.
Stig
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Oldest son and his buddy were installing stereo into his sweet Auidi 4000S.
Did not disconnect the battery.
Blew a fuse.
Radio worked...car wouldn't.
Took my mechanic all afternoon to discover the boys had moved a fuse to fix the radio.
Pulled it from EFI system....and never thought to mention this to Pop.
Stig
In an unrelated event, I had a customer get his buddy to tow a Ford Aerostar mini-van over 70 miles to my dad's shop. The buddy used an old BMW 325 (I think) 5 speed. Burned up his clutch. I pushed it on the lift , tried it,and it started and ran for a minute. I looked up at the overhead console, pressed the button and noticed the trip computer said distance to empty 0 miles. I put a gallon of gas in it. And it started. We both were aware that his fuel gauge didn't work. But the trip computer did. But he had NEVER noticed the trip computer overhead because it had always been set to the compass function.
His excuse, " I thought I'd filled it up all the way before I left ______"
He swore me to secrecy . I think he FINALLY told his buddy and helped him with the clutch repair bill. But I don't know if he EVER told his wife.
20+ years later, his son did something similar and towed his car to me. I thought the statute of limitations was over. So I shared the story with his son. He called me and jokingly got on my case for letting the cat out the bag. Lol.
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In an unrelated event, I had a customer get his buddy to tow a Ford Aerostar mini-van over 70 miles to my dad's shop. The buddy used an old BMW 325 (I think) 5 speed. Burned up his clutch. I pushed it on the lift , tried it,and it started and ran for a minute. I looked up at the overhead console, pressed the button and noticed the trip computer said distance to empty 0 miles. I put a gallon of gas in it. And it started. We both were aware that his fuel gauge didn't work. But the trip computer did. But he had NEVER noticed the trip computer overhead because it had always been set to the compass function.
His excuse, " I thought I'd filled it up all the way before I left ______"
He swore me to secrecy . I think he FINALLY told his buddy and helped him with the clutch repair bill. But I don't know if he EVER told his wife.
20+ years later, his son did something similar and towed his car to me. I thought the statute of limitations was over. So I shared the story with his son. He called me and jokingly got on my case for letting the cat out the bag. Lol.
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lol Some secrets are meant to be taken to the grave. ;)
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lol Some secrets are meant to be taken to the grave. ;)
[emoji850][emoji850][emoji850] I guess that's the idea. Ha, ha
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