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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: wordslinger on May 30, 2010, 02:17:36 AM
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...their "Top Kill" method failed...
..look out Z!!
..black beaches are a'coming....
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So far we have gotten lucky. You can smell fuel at the beach, and a few suspect "lumps" have been found, but soooo far Lucky
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There was a huge protest yesterday at a BP gas station in the city.
(http://gothamist.com/upload/2010/05/BP14.jpg)
http://gothamist.com/2010/05/29/bp_protest.php (http://gothamist.com/2010/05/29/bp_protest.php)
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...dang.....
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As there should be. This disaster should have been planned for or the tower should have never been built. There is oil all over the lower Keys, and they are trying to keep it quite for now as there is soo much invested in keeping the coral reef system there alive, no one wants to speculate on the outcome. My guess is the Keys are going the be the next Love Canal. http://www.epa.gov/history/topics/lovecanal/01.htm (http://www.epa.gov/history/topics/lovecanal/01.htm)
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...yeah, and they were so proud of this "World Record Setting Platform"...
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...they're failing helplessly..
..the next attempt to stop the flow will initially increase it's output by at least 20%...
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I am from the Panhandle Area and as of now our beaches are as pristine as ever. The water is blue and clear and the temp is 82 degrees. Again, as of today the oil is not headed our way but one cannot but help feel overwhelmed for those that are affected by the spill. I was never against off shore drilling until this happened but I am now.
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Apparently off shore drilling can be done safely, but it looks like they got greedy and sloppy in their work and the feds were in bed with them. Someone needs to go to jail for a long time and not just one ether, this was a cooperative failure. I now have concern that although it can be done safely it will be human nature to get sloppy and in spite of what can be done it will not be done properly, too much old fashioned greed. I have never been a save the planet type, but I am now waking up and seeing the light.
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I have never been a save the planet type, but I am now waking up and seeing the light.
You don't really have to be to hate this.
For 30 years, big business has spent billions of dollars convincing not just Congress, but the American people that regulation of all business is a Bad Thing.
Well, guess what? Just how only a government can effectively defend against armed attacks on its people, only a government can effectively defend its people from greedy bastards who only care about the short-term money.
BP took shortcuts to save a few million dollars with this wellhead. In a just world, BP would be forced to liquidate to cover everyone's losses -- and I'm talking all the coastal communities whose economies will be wrecked for decades, 'cause we're talking about thousands of jobs gone for the foreseeable future in fishing, tourism, etc.
Fining them 10x what they were trying to save is not gonna cover the bill, here.
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Well guess who showed up in Carrabelle... BP They are going to ALL the workers that depend on the gulf for a living, and IF you can show them you have been actively working in a gulf related business for the prior year, (tax records ect) they are giving $5'000.00 to compensate for any "INCONVENIENCE" their spill has /will cause. Every CRACK HEAD w/ a boat, or that swept the Motel parking lot is lining up like it's a soup kitchen. The Catch is you have to sign a release that states you will NOT take part in any civil/criminal suit either on your own behalf, or class action. I repair boats for a living, and do qualify for their wonderful public relations offer. I'm just wondering what the price of a soul is... Ps. Our "Mayor" accepted $140.000.00 from them to promote tourism in Carrabelle. There goes the Fu<king neighborhood!!!
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That's a sad situation zombie, who would sell out at the first show? They certainly have some cheek doing that, but then, that's big business, trying to cover their arse. No concern for anyone else. Maybe your mayor should be standing up and saying no way, that just don't cut it.
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Well guess who showed up in Carrabelle...
...go*damn, z....
..it was just a matter of time...
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You have to be kidding me Zombie. They should cut the s#$t and spend there time repairing that mile deep hole. It's sad how money controls everything. :-[
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"http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/oil-spill-map.htm"
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The area here is mostly uneducated, and poor. I think you all know what I mean when I say "Paddle faster, I hear Banjo's" So it is a walk in the park for the Big City Lawyers. I could go out on a limb, and tell you guys more about life here, but I live here for now, and will bite my tongue. The point is If I don't tell the rest of you what kinda SOULESS BASTARDS this company is coming across as I could not live with myself. To think a few mill scattered about will potentially save the company from collapse, at the cost of one of the most fertile fishing grounds in the U.S. is purely evil in my humble opinion. The second bit is the sheep that are lining up for what just may prove to be the end of the life they have known for generations, in exchange for beer money! It really hurts my heart to see...
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I live right above the "O" in observed. Between the S&E is Alligator point. People that far away have been smelling oil for 2-3 weeks.
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..wow, man...i can relate to what you're talkin about..
..bp is going to lose it's ass eventually..hopefully..
..THIS IS NOT THE ONLY RIG WITH THESE TYPES OF ISSUES EITHER!!..
..what they're frantically doing with your neighbors is nothing more than trying to quietly reduce the number of ppl that can get involved in the inevitable class action and other various lawsuits...
..beer money...y' know, what is 5 grand to a man that makes his living and supports his wife and 3 kids from th' helm of his fishing boat....5 grand indeed...why don't they just go ahead and give every person in the US 5 grand...we're ALL going to feel the pain of their actions...in our billfolds and pocketbooks....
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Now your talking! My area is 98% 20' oyster boats, as the previous generations have wiped out the shrimp, scallops, snapper, and, grouper. The Oystermen are on the verge of cleaning out their stock as well, and BP KNOWS THIS! It's like buying a bottle of MD 20/20 to get the local drunk to paint your house. I don't mean to offend, I'm just breaking it down the way I see it.
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I'm just breaking it down the way I see it.
..it's just human nature..no reflection on your opinion..there are different classes of people.. we ALL should know that...
..bp...i don't think they deserve capital letters in any context...wish i could change the "subject" to lower case...
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You always no how to break it down to the real slinger! RESPECT!
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...all you guys that live in the southeast been looking at your 10 day forcast???
..record high temps forcasted, and the JET STREAM is taking an unexpected sharp turn toward the northeast from Arizona toward New England....
..anybody wonder why???
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..anybody wonder why???
Obviously because Al Gore is fat and lives in a mansion a few miles away from me.
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...go over there and push him out a window into the heat...
..global warming indeed...
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Yeah; sorry. That whole "Al Gore is fat" is an inside joke at other places I visit.
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...no, i get his ideas...
..but this is a whole nuther chapter...
..we're gonna see some serious heat this sumer...
..be prepared...
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Yeah; sorry. That whole "Al Gore is fat" is an inside joke at other places I visit.
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WHAT OTHER PLACES! YOU SAID YOU LOVE US!
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Oh, I travel in many concentric circles. I was messaging an East German the night the Berlin Wall fell, 80-characters at a time. I've been quoted in major publications, and I don't mean "Letters to the Editor." It's good to have many interests.
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MMMmmmmm PentHouse.......
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Try to look up term "the shock doctrine" and read a bit on Milton Friedman, Chicago boys, "contractors" like Blackwater, the role of D. Cheney, disaster capitalism, war in Iraq, Catrina, Chile, ex. USSR, Poland and some other topics...
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Do you have access to firearms Axy? Deep thought will push the line a little closer...
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huh??? O_o;;; ??? ??? ??? lol
none of that goin on here! ha ha ha ^_^
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..the physics of an oil spill..
"http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37517080/ns/disaster_in_the_gulf"
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Do you have access to firearms Axy? Deep thought will push the line a little closer...
Did you ever think why 10, 20 or 30 years ago people in certain part of the world used to drive 6l V8 cars and now some of them struggle to buy new 50 cc scooter?
With or without firearm.
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..yeah, because 20 yrs ago, you could get caught driving with a beer between your legs and barney would tell you ... "go on home...dont let me catch you back out here tonight"...
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I had an idea. Let's make the BP executives help clean up the mucked up wildlife. Here's a picture of the species they should start with.
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/alligator-palatal-valve.jpg)
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..i hear ya!!!
..the local news showed a clip of an oil-covered pelican, floating in the mire...
..touched me....
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Did you ever think why 10, 20 or 30 years ago people in certain part of the world used to drive 6l V8 cars and now some of them struggle to buy new 50 cc scooter?
With or without firearm.
In my country, I do not wonder (http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/03/09/the-best-inequality-graph/) at all.
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..good post j....
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YALL SCARING MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :'(
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...we should all be afraid...
..this spill is already affecting even the jet stream...
..brace yourself for hot and violent weather patterns in the midwest and southeast this summer...
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This thread has gotten too f'n morbid for me. We (as a species) have turned the entire planet into a G.D. toilet. The biggest dilemma in MY life is; If I start shooting the bad guys, doesn't that make me one too? I'm gonna talk to my ex-wife... Maybe that will cheer me up (after this thread)
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morbid... maybe.... but ya do not have to go shooting people, mother nature will adventually thin us out with some type of flu or black plague sort of thing.... sure things will suck for a long time when that happens, but for the planet it will help.... (h1n1 was a test to show that there is really nothing we can do to stop that sort of thing?? )
1970.. only 3 billion people, 2010.. 7 billion and growing faster every year out of those how many are good and how many are bad? and no longer do I say breeding like rabbits.... ohhh there breeding like humans.
as for our part.... to me we should be developing a way to take the hydrogen from water and using it as a power source..... stop bitching about the cost to convert and develope the technology to do it effectively (ohhhh did I just found a path for NASA to take? instead of landing on a stupid asteriod ?)
and the oil spill.... dumb asses... that is all I can say.... I wish corporations could learn from there mistakes.... but greed is very blinding... just goes back to my first paragraph.
of course if we go the way of the dino... well problems solved DOH
had a had time deciding if I should even post .... maybe I should not of.. oh well
bah.... done thinking now, sorry for my bad spelling and being morbid and stuff..... going to go eat my fruit loops.
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I liked the fruit loops! The fact is we are at the top of the hill, and starting to slide down.
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Forgot to fill you in on the local news... bp has given 2.5 million to Franklin county residents. There are 11'000 people here. 1,000 of them are oyster fishermen that have not missed one day of work due to the oil. They get 5.000 bucks each for lost wages. Another 10,000.00 for future wages, and 1,200.00 a day to keep their boats on the water looking for oil. So far 1 local Crack Head has died from partying on his loss of work $'s. forty or fifty trucks have traded owners, and the 2 bars in town have made a years earnings in 1 month. I stated there are 11,000 souls here in Franklin Co. Well there are only 2,500 in Carribelle. For me being a Yankee to begin with... This is like a party at the gates of hell! Wait till they have all seen what they have done here...20 years later, Alaska still poisoned from Exxon Valdex oil spill-2/2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HBBNhlMWBA#lq-lq2-hq)
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In my country, I do not wonder (http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/03/09/the-best-inequality-graph/) at all.
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This is consequence of neoliberal capitalism that was happily developing after Reaganomics (supply-side economy of 80s), and it happens all over the world.
For people in US of A it just became very apparent in recent years, but in some other countries, these inequalities were bad before and in the past years just became worse.
In the future more and more wealth will be in hands of less and less people.
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..i hear ya!!!
..the local news showed a clip of an oil-covered pelican, floating in the mire...
..touched me....
There is a country that produces 40 % of oil used in US of A that practically floats in the middle of oil spill created mostly by Shell, around 7000 of them in the past 30 years.
Just one of them is 50 TIMES bigger spill than Exxon Valdez.
Around 150 mil people live there, which is roughly half of the population of US of A.
This state is called Nigeria, yet, you hear very little about what is going on in the delta of the river Niger.
We are all very sensitive to what happens to us and very insensitive to what happens to others.
Of course, this does not change current situation in the Gulf.
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as for our part.... to me we should be developing a way to take the hydrogen from water and using it as a power source..... stop bitching about the cost to convert and develope the technology to do it effectively
It is clear from the last sentence that you realize this is not possible. The laws of physics are applicable here: you have to invest more energy into this process that the energy you would gain from hydrogen, hydrogen cell technology included.
Also, hydrogen is extremely explosive, volatile, and cannot be easily stored, transported and used in vehicles.
p.s. I read that in the next 10 yrs we can expect real change of general level of food prices + 40 % because of usage of certain plant cultures for fuel.... not nice...
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That has already made an impact in florida. Corn is grown year round. They have found they can charge more per ton to sell it out of state to fuel plants. Soooo the price per pound has tripled at the market. Nothing like a double whammy to keep prices rising. Another fact about the crude from the bp well. It is not fuel grade oil. It is the oil that plastics are made from. I am waiting for the national increase in fuel prices to contradict the facts.
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The problem isn't so much THAT it happened, it's WHERE it happened and all our southern neighbors it affected. If it was half way around the world, it'd be a one day story. Sorry to have to say, but accidents happen...humans are fallable. Can this board complain and then go jump on our petroleum powered scoots? Not trying to sound harsh, but that is the reality.
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You are completely right! Like axy pointed out there are worse problems in other parts of the world, but it doesn't pay to cover those stories. In fact I will dare to say there may be some $'s trading hands to NOT cover many of them. If only we all knew what was really happening... Fact: Russians have had MANY under water well leaks. They literally explode the sea bed, and let nature close the leak. bp I believe needs to keep the well active for profit, and is not willing to abandon the site. It is apparently more cost effective for them to handle it the way they are. Throw billions at the feds, and retain control over the site. Blood money
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..bp actually balked the "nuke" option complaining about how much it would cost them to re-drill this well...
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So, it's not that they can't stop it but they don't want to? That is even worse. You are right zombie, big toilet.
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how much it would cost them to re-drill this well... My Grand kids will NEVER swim in the Gulf. That cost is toooo high
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I still feel hydrogen is the answer, just need to get the scientist together to develope the tech. Put water in your tank and it converts it to hydro (yeah a long way off from this....) but I know if great minds work together it can be done... though it does not solve the current problem at hand
or solve the greed problem....
and yes froot loops are my friend ha ha ha
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...i'm partial to fruity pebbles...
..i was sssso hot for Pebbles back in th' day... :o
..we're never going to free ourselves from our dependance on fossil fuels...
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Maybe Hippie Grass!?~ Oh Yeah Wait a minute... Who was that guy that didn't inhale? Or the guy that started that computer company that would NEVER infringe on anyones right to free choice, or condone collecting info about any person on earth. Or maybe that other guy that is from Texas that would preach FREE S PEACH, and allow every word on the Internet to be recorded. It just may be that Hippie Grass is a bad thing after all. It turned most of them into ...Zombies Ps Would someone define sex for me so I completely understand... As far as I Know... I can't remember! Pss. Thanks Guys, and Gals Zombie
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So, it's not that they can't stop it but they don't want to? That is even worse. You are right zombie, big toilet.
Guys, do not forget two things.
1. It is quite possible that somebody (either Shell of Exxon Mobil) will take over BP entirely, or gain a significant share in BP owner structure, especially if BP will be pressed hard to create 20 bln US$ fund for damage reparations.
2. Cleaning is a BIG BUSINESS. A lot of money will change hands here and do not forget that an army of "contractors" will come to the site and shores to do the cleanup operation. Of course, that money (earnings) will be concentrated in hands of other multinationals, mostly American-owned. This will not help the population living on the shores of the ocean that will receive 5000 US$ or so in compensation, but this is in line with economic redistribution of capitalist way of production.
This is the world we live in.
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I still feel hydrogen is the answer, just need to get the scientist together to develope the tech. Put water in your tank and it converts it to hydro (yeah a long way off from this....) but I know if great minds work together it can be done... though it does not solve the current problem at hand
There are things that simply cannot be done, or at least they cannot be done in efficient manner. Using water for propulsion of vehicles is, at current stage of science development, just as likely as using nothing to achieve the same. In science, this is known as "empty hypothesis".
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ok so it is not water... but a start......
but only for the people that smell there own farts (sorry a south park episode lol )
http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/ (http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/)
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.....BP is a British-based global energy company which is the third largest energy company and the fourth largest company in the world. A multinational oil company ("oil major"), BP is the United Kingdom's largest corporation, with its head office in St James's, City of Westminster, London. BP America's headquarters is in the One Westlake Park in the Energy Corridor area of Houston, Texas. The company is among the largest private sector energy corporations in the world and is one of the six "supermajors" (vertically integrated private sector oil exploration, natural gas, and petroleum product marketing companies). The company is listed on the London Stock Exchange, the New York Stock Exchange, and is a constituent of the FTSE 100 Index.
Since the 20 April 2010 explosion of the Deepwater Horizon, in which 11 people died, and subsequent oil spill disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, BP's public standing and stock value have dropped substantially, losing nearly half of its market capitalisation. The disaster, involving a leaking deep water oil well, has devastated a vast area of the United States marine environment, killed marine life, and had a serious impact on the local fishing industry. Efforts at containing the spill...well..whatever..
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...BP was named by Mother Jones Magazine as one of the "ten worst corporations" in both 2001 and 2005 based on its environmental and human rights records. In 1991 BP was cited as the most polluting company in the US based on EPA toxic release data. BP has been charged with burning polluted gases at its Ohio refinery (for which it was fined $1.7 million), and in July 2000 BP paid a $10 million fine to the EPA for its management of its US refineries. According to PIRG research, between January 1997 and March 1998, BP was responsible for 104 oil spills. BP patented the Dracone Barge to aid in oil spill clean-ups across the world....
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In September 1999, one of BP’s US subsidiaries, BP Exploration Alaska (BPXA), agreed to resolve charges related to the illegal dumping of hazardous wastes on the Alaska North Slope, for $22 million. The settlement included the maximum $500,000 criminal fine, $6.5 million in civil penalties, and BP’s establishment of a $15 million environmental management system at all of BP facilities in the US and Gulf of Mexico that are engaged in oil exploration, drilling or production. The charges stemmed from the 1993 to 1995 dumping of hazardous wastes on Endicott Island, Alaska by BP’s contractor Doyon Drilling. The firm illegally discharged waste oil, paint thinner and other toxic and hazardous substances by injecting them down the outer rim, or annuli, of the oil wells. BPXA failed to report the illegal injections when it learned of the conduct, in violation of the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation and Liability Act.
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In August 2006, BP shut down oil operations in Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, due to corrosion in pipelines leading up to the Alaska Pipeline. The wells were leaking insulating agent called Arctic pack, consisting of crude oil and diesel fuel, between the wells and ice.[63] BP had spilled over one million litres of oil in Alaska's North Slope.[64] This corrosion is caused by sediment collecting in the bottom of the pipe, protecting corrosive bacteria from chemicals sent through the pipeline to fight these bacteria. There are estimates that about 5,000 barrels (790 m3) of oil were released from the pipeline. To date 1,513 barrels (240.5 m3) of liquids, about 5,200 cubic yards (4,000 m3) of soiled snow and 328 cubic yards (251 m3) of soiled gravel have been recovered. After approval from the DOT, only the eastern portion of the field was shut down, resulting in a reduction of 200,000 barrels per day (32,000 m3/d) until work began to bring the eastern field to full production on 2 October 2006....
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..In March 2005, BP's Texas City, Texas refinery, one of its largest refineries, exploded causing 15 deaths, injuring 180 people and forcing thousands of nearby residents to remain sheltered in their homes. A large column filled with hydrocarbon overflowed to form a vapour cloud, which ignited. The explosion caused all the casualties and substantial damage to the rest of the plant. The incident came as the culmination of a series of less serious accidents at the refinery, and the engineering problems were not addressed by the management. Maintenance and safety at the plant had been cut as a cost-saving measure, the responsibility ultimately resting with executives in London...
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The April 20, 2010 explosion on BP's offshore drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico resulted in the death of eleven people
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...dang..i'm just sayin....
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In July 2006, a group of Colombian farmers won a multi million pound settlement from BP after the British oil and gas company was accused of benefiting from a regime of terror carried out by Colombian government paramilitaries to protect a 450-mile (720 km) pipeline...
..columbian farmers, no doubt...
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It amazes me how little we really do know.
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..columbian farmers, no doubt...
..i reckon if you could produce a coffee bean or a good sized bud you were in their pocket...
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It's all about the coca down there,the coffe is good tooo!
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...well, i saw someting on th' tube that pissed me off..don't really remember what it was, then i googled bp, then i wikipediaed them...
..wiki has 10 times more info along these lines, than what i posted....
..itsa cryin' f***in' shame...
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::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) well i only read this page and i could tell everybody blames bp...NOT!! no wonder i piss people off here, didnt know it was sooooooooo liberal.. how about your new government...they are the reason why the sh** is so screwed down there.. all it does is help the progressive movement, thats why they keep dalaying bobby jindel ....all bullsh**.... oh yeah, i dont think bp will go down, maybe taken over by government(of course), merge with shell in the end....
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..i'd have to respectfully disagree..
..i love my country...however...
..the government...
..be that as it may,
...neither this administration nor ANY other could ever have been prepared to deal with this type of catastrophe..
..the "government" put legal guidelines in place, suposedly governing safe operations...
..these guidelines were ignored, by no fault of any governing body...
..there are 3 corporations involved in the f***aroo we're experiencing...
..bp, haliburton and the owner of the rig...i forget their name...
..they are the ones at fault, with bp overiding some of the safety recommendations made by ppl who were "hands on" when the blowout happened...
...don't blame the government for the big oil f***-ups...
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its the government that has delayed any sort of recovery effort..the government keeps bullsh**ing bobby jindel...the government said "no we dont want your help" to 12 countries offering assistance.. the government was worried about who gets paid, not a clean up effort, EVEN TO THIS DAY, DAY 73!!...if we could get our OWN DAM OIL instead of from across the way, hmm that may help... oh yeah, its the government that even makes more money off of the oil than "big oil" co. i mean come on dude, wake up.. socialism is knocking at your door/beating it down!!!!
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its the government that has delayed any sort of recovery effort..the government keeps bullsh**ing bobby jindel...the government said "no we dont want your help" to 12 countries offering assistance.. the government was worried about who gets paid, not a clean up effort, EVEN TO THIS DAY, DAY 73!!...if we could get our OWN DAM OIL instead of from across the way, hmm that may help... oh yeah, its the government that even makes more money off of the oil than "big oil" co. i mean come on dude, wake up.. socialism is knocking at your door/beating it down!!!!
I think you are mixing up socialism with communism. Those two terms are not synonyms, yet they are usually used in the same sense.
You'd be lucky to live in a country that has well developed social network governed by the principles of socialism (for example, Scandinavian countries, Austria, France, Germany) because you would enjoy high standard of free-for-all healthcare, education, state pension system, direct participation in representation etc.
For example, student credit was unheard of in my country until recently. I have received my B.Sc. without paying a cent (yet, you had to have good grades). Now, they are introducing payments for education on all levels after high school, just like in USA...
Do not forget that a few months ago a health-bill was passed by Obama touted as a big thing, while some countries most people could not point on a map have had state medical care for all for the past 60 years, my country included. Stories about most developed and influential country in the world not having medical care free for everybody sounds barbaric to most of us from "small" countries overseas, but it is a reality, and a consequence of neoliberal framework. The paradox is that with recent crisis and lack of funds, those countries have started approaching ex. US neoliberal model, while US is privatizing banks to save national economy and introducing social measures!
So, remember, "socialism" or at least, capitalism with strong social network and human rights is quite positive thing and most advanced system of democracy we know while neoliberal paradigm usually ends up in bloodshed and redistribution of capital and money from poor to rich (case studies: Chicago school, Chicago boys, monetarism, Milton Friedman, Chile, Bolivia, Australia, South Africa, ex. USSR in 90s, Poland, Iraq, Afghanistan, N.O. after Catrina and Asia after tsunami...)
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duuude, i dont know where you are but socialism is rampant these days..you have to have socialism before you have communism.. capitolism, free market society made the usa great..the progressives look up to people like chavez.. socialism has never been good, every country that is goes broke, is broke.now everybody has their hand out, saying gimme, gimme..oh people are dying with this healthcare that YOU seem to enjoy..you my friend have been brainwashed..guess you love countries such as cuba, venezuala, france, england, germany.(hitler is here now)..yes i know a few are communist..we need capitolism, free will...who the f*** wants the government telling me when i can sh**, what store i can go to, taking my guns, what the hell is wrong here, its called freedom and libertys that your heroes are taking from us here one by one.. did you know the 2nd admenment only is alive by one dam vote yesterday...5 - 4...bullsh**..i prefer freedom to your socialistic agenda
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Oh, for Christ's sake.
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..the problem in the gulf has nothing to do with any "ism"....
...just a too big company thinking the rules don't apply to them...
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MMMmmmmmm Gulfism~ What happened?
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oh for christ sakes.....heil hitler!!!!!!!!.... anyhow, the government is the ones BLOCKING BPs efforts, BLOCKING THE PEOPLEs efforts to clean it up themselves....yes they may be sone fault on bp, BUT the federal governments NOT LETTING THEM!!!..get chris mattews out of thine but and look at the dam transformation of THE ONCE FREE AMERICA..guess everybody thinks they should only have wind power now, oh i know, maybe we could make our own bee gas.....ROFLMMFAO!!... wake up
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duuude, i dont know where you are but socialism is rampant these days..you have to have socialism before you have communism.. capitolism, free market society made the usa great..the progressives look up to people like chavez.. socialism has never been good, every country that is goes broke, is broke.now everybody has their hand out, saying gimme, gimme..oh people are dying with this healthcare that YOU seem to enjoy..you my friend have been brainwashed..guess you love countries such as cuba, venezuala, france, england, germany.(hitler is here now)..yes i know a few are communist..we need capitolism, free will...who the f*** wants the government telling me when i can sh**, what store i can go to, taking my guns, what the hell is wrong here, its called freedom and libertys that your heroes are taking from us here one by one.. did you know the 2nd admenment only is alive by one dam vote yesterday...5 - 4...bullsh**..i prefer freedom to your socialistic agenda
I suggest to read a bit on the topic:
1. Milton Friedman, "Capitalism and freedom" - he pretty much agrees with you
2. Naomi Klein "The shock doctrine" - she pretty much disagrees with Friedman and you
3. ... and finally, read what Mr. Lyndon LaRouche thinks about neoliberal paradigm in "The ugly truth about Milton Friedman".
You might be surprised to find out that Mr. Friedman is actually in his freedom-in-everything approach taking Mr. Hjalmar Schacht, Third Reich's Finance minister as a role model in his theories. Neoliberal doctrine you are preaching is in fact, and surprisingly, tightly connected with paradigm of fascism. I watched quite a number of documentaries on that topic and realize that except late Mr. Charlton Heston, most militant supporters of "extreme freedom" usually live in rural US of A, their mother is usually also their wife, wear checkered red-black T-Shirt and stock up cellar for second coming/war against "lefties", whichever comes first. :) ;D ;) :P
Regarding US of A, it has never been "free economy", you are being preached the wrong fairytale your whole life. Too much freedom, and you have recession and economic disasters due to inherent inclination of human beings to maximize their own profit at the expense of others. New institutional economy is dealing quite in details with this phenomenon and several prominent US economists have recently received Nobel prize for economy in this area.
The first case when US government has stepped in was at the beginning of the century when in 1911 US Supreme Court ordered Standard Oil to be divided to 34 different oil companies with different boards of directors in order to stop monopoly on the market.
Furthermore, read the Declaration of independence where it says that nobody will have to pay taxes to the government *and* the only legal tender is gold, and central bank (FED in your case) will not issue paper notes.
Ever heard about US dollar? How come it is legal tender when Declaration of independence explicitly forbids it to be issued?
The last example of need for state intervention was TARP and bailout program for banks and insurance companies that went bankrupt in USA due to worthless housing derivatives that almost destroyed global financial system - direct consequence of too much misguided "freedom".
Finally, market exists even in socialist countries (not that many exist today), it is not inherent characteristics of capitalism.
I might go on and on about false myth of freedom, but I doubt you'd be able to understand any of the arguments due to poor level of information accessible to you.
It is even more sad that you do not want to accept that "communism" and "socialism" are not equal terms. For example, fascism and nacism are both socialist regimes yet they have nothing to do with socialist states of Sweden or Austria today.
Capitalism is not opposite term to socialism. Nazi Germany, fascist Japan and fascist Italy were all socialist and capitalist societies.
Most things you are so concerned about are not even on 25th page of newspapers in countries around the world. For example, the right to have arms. If I wanted to have a pistol or a gun, I go to police station, ask for permit and if I am not a psychopath or ex. convict, I will get it without problems. If I am a member of a hunting club, I can get a rifle.
There is a limit to this, I cannot get a machine gun, RPG or chain gun even if I wanted to. I do not know who in their right mind would need any of these (except the guys I described above :) ).
Furthermore, it is a strange position for me to debate US economic and political system and history, considering the fact I have never been there and live across the ocean.
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..the problem in the gulf has nothing to do with any "ism"....
...just a too big company thinking the rules don't apply to them...
I second and underline your opinion!
It is simply a gross negligence and mismanagement (especially in terms of risk management) by the oil multinational company.
This is very prevalent these days because almost all oil construction projects are fast track and everything revolves around bigger profit margins.
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...It is simply a gross negligence and mismanagement (especially in terms of risk management) by the oil multinational company.
..it's as simple as that....
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dude, i never said socialism/comunism were one in the same..they are different, but countries normally go socialist RIGHT BEFORE communism...if you have only experianced socialistic regimes how in the hell do you know what freedom is? big government sux, has always aucked...never works out, everything the federal government touches turns to straight sh**.. WE were free untill this regime came to power. who in their right mind LIKES the federal gov telling them what, when, where???.. i like the fact we dont have curfews, can have a gun, can look at other women, like driving big trucks, can go anywhere, simple sh** people take for granted. you even have eyes on your computer(we do now) watching you.. thats what responsibility means, take care of yourself, dont have hands out saying i want mine. yes money was gold, the federal government is the one that issues currency, THEY changed it, not the people, hence the i.m.f..you have a good talk game but you have always been a socialist in a socialist co., not a free
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i guess thats why people from other countries COME HERE to live, to get medical treatment, to be free cause they have soooo much there in a socialistic country or a communistic country..
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dude, i never said socialism/comunism were one in the same..they are different, but countries normally go socialist RIGHT BEFORE communism...if you have only experianced socialistic regimes how in the hell do you know what freedom is? big government sux, has always aucked...never works out, everything the federal government touches turns to straight sh**.. WE were free untill this regime came to power. who in their right mind LIKES the federal gov telling them what, when, where???.. i like the fact we dont have curfews, can have a gun, can look at other women, like driving big trucks, can go anywhere, simple sh** people take for granted. you even have eyes on your computer(we do now) watching you.. thats what responsibility means, take care of yourself, dont have hands out saying i want mine. yes money was gold, the federal government is the one that issues currency, THEY changed it, not the people, hence the i.m.f..you have a good talk game but you have always been a socialist in a socialist co., not a free
There has never, in the history of mankind, existed a COMMUNIST state.
I assure you you have never experienced "free market", because it has NEVER existed, and especially not in US of A. The examples of "free market" were in practice created in the following countries: Chile, Bolivia, South Africa, ex. USSR and Poland (after 1990), and ended up after a few years with hyperinflation, military government, martial law, new elections, and return to previous economic model.
Ask citizens of New Orleans what they think about "free market" schooling and housing model exercised on them after Katrina.
I am afraid you have close minded and opinionated view of the world outside your own country. I do not know a country in Europe that has curfews, forbids personal weapons, loooking at other women, driving big trucks and going anywhere. I know very few countries in the world that have any of these.
You would probably be surprised that I can travel from my country to the Atlantic ocean even WITHOUT passport, just by showing my ID card at the nearest border (no borders after that, similar to US states).
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i guess thats why people from other countries COME HERE to live, to get medical treatment, to be free cause they have soooo much there in a socialistic country or a communistic country..
Take a look at this movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0386032/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0386032/)
It will show you the standard of medical care in Cuba compared to the one in USA.
It is quite easy to get medical care if you can pay for it, but it takes a well organized society to provide it to those less fortunate.
I am afraid you cannot even comprehend that, God forbid, if I need a heart surgery or organ transplant, I will get it FREE OF CHARGE.
Yet, you might be suprised if I tell you that we pay 15 % of our gross salary for medical care. It is mandatory.
Further 15 % for pensions of those currently retired and at least 5 % for my own pension fund.
And income tax 12-45 % on the remainder.
The world is not the yard of your house, it is much bigger.
The world is not USA - USA is just important few % of world population.
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oh my, great conversation/debate..thanks....so you pay over 50% to the government...hmmm?(your money) well thats fair.. excuse me but, cuba, venezuala, north korea, russia, parts of china/japan are communist countries. france, england, germany,etc are socialist co.. oh well, i too can go to the atl ocean AND I DONT HAVE TO SHOW AN ID.. i used to have a closed mind, my eyes have been opened.. a free market society DOES NOT MEAN MARTIAL LAW..it means if i have the means or will to do it, that i can w/o retribution for bettering myself. yeah, your country sooooo great, but WE HAVE WELL OVER 10 BILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT WANT TO COME HERE FOR FREEDOM, THE CHANCE TO DO BETTER, BETTER HEALTHCARE(for now)..if you actually believe you would get that operation then YOU are closed minded.. you will be let to die instead(cost would be to high)..(its even in the dam bill they past here)..
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oh my, great conversation/debate..thanks....so you pay over 50% to the government...hmmm?(your money) well thats fair.. excuse me but, cuba, venezuala, north korea, russia, parts of china/japan are communist countries. france, england, germany,etc are socialist co.. oh well, i too can go to the atl ocean AND I DONT HAVE TO SHOW AN ID.. i used to have a closed mind, my eyes have been opened.. a free market society DOES NOT MEAN MARTIAL LAW..it means if i have the means or will to do it, that i can w/o retribution for bettering myself. yeah, your country sooooo great, but WE HAVE WELL OVER 10 BILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT WANT TO COME HERE FOR FREEDOM, THE CHANCE TO DO BETTER, BETTER HEALTHCARE(for now)..if you actually believe you would get that operation then YOU are closed minded.. you will be let to die instead(cost would be to high)..(its even in the dam bill they past here)..
Parts of China and Japan? Part of the country can have one social and economic setting while other part can have another?
I wonder what is with these other imaginary parts of China and Japan, what is their social and economic setting then? :)
I understand that you cannot grasp concept of free medical care for everybody, because, in all of your freedom, you have never experienced a social care network.
I guess that you also cannot understand why it is quite usual, for me, for example, to have at least five weeks of vacation days per year, or why sacked employee in Germany will receive 70 % of his average salary for the next 12 months from the state. Or that a woman after giving birth will be paid for one year to stay with the child and she can stay at home until the child is 3 y.o. and still keep the job.
p.s. USA does not have 10 billion illegal immigrants. Whole world does not have 10 billion inhabitants. World population is around 6.9 billion, USA has 0.3 billion people.
I wonder about your knowledge *before* your eyes were open.
p.p.s. You do not need anything to get to the Atlantic ocean because on both sides it is the same country. I do not need anything except ID card to cross several borders and states. Try to go to Europe, Mexico or Canada without passport and let me know the result. Where is your freedom now?
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oh my, great conversation/debate..thanks....so you pay over 50% to the government...hmmm?(your money) well thats fair..
Actually, more than 70 %. Value Added Tax on all purchases and services is additional 23 %.
However, if you need them, kidneys are for free. So is university education.
85 % of families in my country own their homes (flats, houses). No rent, no mortgage. Full ownership.
Still do not comprehend there are other systems, states, countries and worlds except your own?
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uh yes, different parts can have different rule...check it. well, we also have maternity leave and unemployment, but of course it will come time for you to get off that ass and work.. why would you want everything free instead of EARNNING IT?? earn/work for college, work for the insurance, work for your home, dam always getting a handout!!. over 70%, wow and you dont have a problem with only seeing that small a % of YOUR HARD/OR EASY WORK?? i meant million, excuse me.. we have 9mil homes in forclosure,7mil from illeagals that should never have gotten it in the beginning. thats why all these co. are broke cuz of dam handouts to people... oh yeah, you work for your vacation every year....i do... i guess you love your socialistic euphoria. i love more freedom and liberty, smaller government, less taxes, less interferance from gov. (vote democrat, its easier than working)--(socialism: the euphoria of the underachevier)..ROFLMMFAO!! sorry... dam, do you have road side drug tests also?
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I enjoyed your conversation, and congradulations for not getting nasty and personal. Yes it's natural to defend one's own, but not fair to criticize the other's country, not having been born and lived there. I think it would be nice to blend the best of both systems, but the politicians would muck it up so it'll never happen.
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history shows that no country that has had/has a socialist/ communist, etc. system have not prospered well.. the u.s under a capitalist/ free market society has been the leader in the WORLD.(until now).. yeah, thats true about defending ones own but looking at those systems makes me hope and pray we never end up that way.......thank you, yes it can be difficult not to get "nasty" with politics..lmao. hmm, i never asked where axy is at anyway.... but oh yeah, bp has alot of blame but our nasty, terrible government deserves alot more.... yes, you could bank on the politicians would screw it up FAST. its supposed to be WE, THE PEOPLE.......right?!!?!?!?(megadeth even says in a song, rlmao)
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I think it would be nice to blend the best of both systems, but the politicians would muck it up so it'll never happen.
That is what we have always had here in the U.S., despite what those who go to Glenn Beck U. would have you think. It works very well, generally-speaking, but it has its flaws.
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And of course... no such discussion would be complete without this (http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-c,2849/).
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ok chris mattews, the progressive movement has been around a very long time with conservitive moment always hopefully stopping or slowing them down.. of course people of your socialistic beliefs only believe that big government is the answer......and im sorry but the u.s hasnt ever been socialist as YOU may think...i see you know of glenn beck, well sorry but he whines to much for me.. he doesnt get "that tingly feeling running up and down his legs" like yourself when watching the radical ass pres. thats good, that man believes in certain things..oh thats right, its not THIER WAY...my walls in my living room are white guess that means im a racist...lmfao...
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ok chris mattews
You really need a new talking point. No progressive has thought of Chris Matthews as being on "their side" since he creamed himself over Dubya's stuffed codpiece "Mission Accomplished" photo-op.
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And furthermore, why don't you be a man and debate these issues on a political blog, and keep this crap off a scooter forum, eh? No one here wants to hear you repeat AM radio winger bullsh**, I can assure you.
And I reserve the right to exercise my Second Amendment rights, if you don't politely f*** the f*** off. :) Or trade chickens for such, one.
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history shows that no country that has had/has a socialist/ communist, etc. system have not prospered well.. the u.s under a capitalist/ free market society has been the leader in the WORLD.(until now).. yeah, thats true about defending ones own but looking at those systems makes me hope and pray we never end up that way.......thank you, yes it can be difficult not to get "nasty" with politics..lmao. hmm, i never asked where axy is at anyway.... but oh yeah, bp has alot of blame but our nasty, terrible government deserves alot more.... yes, you could bank on the politicians would screw it up FAST. its supposed to be WE, THE PEOPLE.......right?!!?!?!?(megadeth even says in a song, rlmao)
Back to the topic.
How exactly are "free people" supposed to clean up the spill and "bad government" is preventing them to do so?
They would swim out in the open ocean and then dive for one mile and put a cork in it, or what?
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And furthermore, why don't you be a man and debate these issues on a political blog, and keep this crap off a scooter forum, eh? No one here wants to hear you repeat AM radio winger bullsh**, I can assure you.
And I reserve the right to exercise my Second Amendment rights, if you don't politely f*** the f*** off. :) Or trade chickens for such, one.
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:) :) :)
I would like to notice that adequate amount of economic freedom has driven industry out of our countries, so we socialize on a forum of a far-eastern corporation! :)
We do not produce anything anymore, we buy what Chinese people are producing, and in case of US, sell debt to Chinese in order to be able to print money.
In case of my country, being small and insignificant, and not issuing M1 currency, even that is not possible. Too much "freedom" has almost left us jobless...
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well we just got nasty............ j, exercise it then baby, (while you f***ing can)...back at you baby, why dont YOU f*** off...whats the matter, cant handle sh** i see
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furthermore, i didnt start a NON SCOOT THREAD, IT WAS THERE, I JUST JOINED IN, so discuss that with someone else....... yes in 1971-72 we came off the gold standard, and starting importing everything instead of producing, which was part of the plan, have everybody buy our money and wed quit being an exporter...... as far as the jobs leaving, not freedoms fault...its called greed!!!...they want more profit, so make it elsewhere. it definately was not freedom costing any country jobs.. dam, you are funny...ha.ha... no,but the government has halted any help from 12 different countries. several have offered scimmers, etc to get the oil, OUR GOVERNMENT SAID NO... we were dissapatingthe oil with chemicals but the hippies didnt like that either. this could have been ALOT LESS impacted if they wouldve gotten there head out of their ass and did the job instead of looking at it.. gov. jindel took control and hear comes your hero telling him no, you cant put rocks in the ocean, you need to explain $
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and to think THERE ARE ONLY 21% that have your liberal,progressive views, 44% have a conservative view, with the remainder undecided or moderate......dam, seems like all 21% is right here..lmao...
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And furthermore, why don't you be a man and debate these issues on a political blog, and keep this crap off a scooter forum, eh? No one here wants to hear you repeat AM radio winger bullsh**, I can assure you. And I reserve the right to exercise my Second Amendment rights, if you don't politely f*** the f*** off. :) Or trade chickens for such, one. .
I LIVE IN ASHEVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA...MY NAME IS LARRY WILSON....I LIVE AT 70 maynard rd, ENKA.. BLUE HOUSE AT TOP OF RD.... PLEASE DO IT!!!....... DO IT, DO IT!!!!
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furthermore, i didnt start a NON SCOOT THREAD, IT WAS THERE, I JUST JOINED IN, so discuss that with someone else....... yes in 1971-72 we came off the gold standard, and starting importing everything instead of producing, which was part of the plan, have everybody buy our money and wed quit being an exporter...... as far as the jobs leaving, not freedoms fault...its called greed!!!...they want more profit, so make it elsewhere.
But they are free to do so! It's their free will!
Never mind the fact that Larry will be left without job, home, and health insurance.
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I LIVE IN ASHEVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA...MY NAME IS LARRY WILSON....I LIVE AT 70 maynard rd, ENKA.. BLUE HOUSE AT TOP OF RD.... PLEASE DO IT!!!....... DO IT, DO IT!!!!
Well... it's general discussion forum and non-scooting topic, so I thought, what the hell...for giggles.
I'm My Own Grandpa (redneck inbreeding song) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CK1r1MrTOA#normal)
;D ::) :P :-*
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i will be left without all those things because of higher taxes, out sourcing... why doesnt people want to WORK FOR WHAT THEY OWN!!!.... taking handouts from the federal government puts YOU in THIER pocket........ exactly, free will, wheres the free will if the government dictates all your moves and actions.....(one of my girls lives in cali, she cant even build a fire INSIDE her home(in the fireplace)unless the state says she can.. that is straight bull.. everybody has become dependant on the government for thier needs, in stead of getting up off that ass. you are correct: a general discussion topic, a bunch of topics are non scoot related...... fuuuunnnny with the song, ha.ha............ oh so a redneck NOW is someone that doesnt bow down, wants to earn thier way, pay for whats owned. wants the gov out of thier life, smaller gov.... i have been called MANY things but a rednecks never been one...RLMMFAO.. (tattooed freak, pierced freak, mother f***er, skinhead, etc).......
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i will be left without all those things because of higher taxes, out sourcing... why doesnt people want to WORK FOR WHAT THEY OWN!!!.... taking handouts from the federal government puts YOU in THIER pocket........ exactly, free will, wheres the free will if the government dictates all your moves and actions.....(one of my girls lives in cali, she cant even build a fire INSIDE her home(in the fireplace)unless the state says she can.. that is straight bull.. everybody has become dependant on the government for thier needs, in stead of getting up off that ass. you are correct: a general discussion topic, a bunch of topics are non scoot related...... fuuuunnnny with the song, ha.ha............ oh so a redneck NOW is someone that doesnt bow down, wants to earn thier way, pay for whats owned. wants the gov out of thier life, smaller gov.... i have been called MANY things but a rednecks never been one...RLMMFAO.. (tattooed freak, pierced freak, mother f***er, skinhead, etc).......
Hey, i did not call names, maybe "poorly informed". That's a fact, not name calling. :)
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what the hell...for giggles.
..rotflmao...
..good one axy!!
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yes, here are some facts (http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones-act/) that have escaped our Fox News-watching friend.
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Hey, i did not call names, maybe "poorly informed". That's a fact, not name calling. :)
.... i tend to "read between the lines" as they say..... must say that some numbers are wrong over the disaster.... saw your factcheck, can say haven't looked at it before, but i shall return to view thier opinion further but have you happpened to ever see "heritage foundation.org"??.. maybe you should look at what they have to say also....... i see that we totally disagree on polictial views all across the board, and i guess probably one of the few things that we would ever agree on would be kymco!..
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Well... it's general discussion forum and non-scooting topic, so I thought, what the hell...for giggles.
I'm My Own Grandpa (redneck inbreeding song) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CK1r1MrTOA#normal)
;D ::) :P :-*
That is priceless. LMAO.
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.... i tend to "read between the lines" as they say..... must say that some numbers are wrong over the disaster.... saw your factcheck, can say haven't looked at it before, but i shall return to view thier opinion further but have you happpened to ever see "heritage foundation.org"??.. maybe you should look at what they have to say also....... i see that we totally disagree on polictial views all across the board, and i guess probably one of the few things that we would ever agree on would be kymco!..
I guess you probably don't drink but the first cardinal sin in any bar or forum is discussing POLITICS (Of course unless you're on a forum for such bullsh**), so can we please get back to the topic and stop this crap!!!!!!!
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...bp sucks...
..there..back on topic....
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It's about time. With all of this going on I find it amazing that people are still buying their products, I myself refuse too.
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I guess you probably don't drink but the first cardinal sin in any bar or forum is discussing POLITICS (Of course unless you're on a forum for such bullsh**), so can we please get back to the topic and stop this crap!!!!!!!
well then, yeah i do drink on occasion(not like before for sure), sure ill go for that, politics and religion are touchy subjects, BUUUUUT!!!!!!!
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It's about time. With all of this going on I find it amazing that people are still buying their products, I myself refuse too.
thats good for you.... i have stopped and bought their gas, will continue to BUT everybody should(as i do) go to a hess or amoco and buy their fuel as they are a dying breed of the fuel that COMES FROM HERE!!!!!!!!!(no ethanol either). i can only hope this left side here went out of their way when exxon f***ed up..probably not...... since everybody is so far left, why are you still riding???? start walking, do it for your cause!!!... yep, i think the epa is partly to blame also, all those enviromental wackos
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i can only hope this left side here went out of their way when exxon f***ed up..probably not...... since everybody is so far left, why are you still riding
..batman, why don't you just shut the f*** up with your left and right sh**...
..this is my thread, and i will kill it if need be...dang.....
..i'm tired of your evelasting mouth, on something so off-topic, on my bp thread...
..don't mean any disrespect, but give it a f***ing rest dude...
..thank you very much...
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It is impossible for consumer to "avoid" BP or any other major oil multinational's products.
If there are BP gas stations, you can avoid those, but still, oil that originates from BP's concessions or pojects is in almost all oil-based products, which is nowadays everything, from computers and pharmaceuticals to cars, various kinds of plastic products, fertilizers etc.
Furthermore, there is no "BP oil" or "Total oil", there are blends that are reference for trade, like West Texas intermediate, Russian REBCO, North Sea Brent Crude, Dubai crude or OPEC reference basket.
The world is unfortunately so globalized that calling to autarchy is technically impossible, with rare exceptions like North Korea (among the last ones, if not the last one, and even they have exchange with Russia, China and Syria...) Furthermore, ownership over oil companies is not national, but "multi" and "over and above" national, with significant percentage of ownership hidden and dubious (investment funds, hidden investors...)
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It's about time. With all of this going on I find it amazing that people are still buying their products, I myself refuse too.
..and axy is right on target..and the sad thing is, the people running your local bp station are in no way at fault...
..they're just regular joes like you and me trying to make a buck...
..personally, i never bought bp fuel in the first place...so i'm not hurting them there...
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I don't buy there fuel, never have and I understand it is impossible to entirely avoid their products as axy outlined but I am sick and tired of BIG f***ing business continuing to make big dollars at our expense, as the BP CEO said "The little people". From Wall ST to these sh**heads, I've had enough. >:(
I feel better now, sorry for the rant. ;)
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Time to get back on the Yacht!
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...umm...yacht?
...do tell...
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I feel better now, sorry for the rant
..THAT'S why this topic is here...
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The BP muckity mucks... Out Yachting w/ the family, as they destroy US waters. I know it is an accident, and NO ONE is happy about it, but YACHTING WHILE THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THEIR HARDWARE? Just not right...
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..woww...i want a yacht...
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I know it is an accident
No. It was not an accident.
It was no more an accident than if you purposely got your friend drunk and let them drive home.
People who worked that rig knew and warned that all the corner-cutting that BP and Transocean did on that well was not going to end well.
And for what? To try to save a few million dollars. Now, they wish they'd have spent that money up-front.
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People who worked that rig knew and warned that all the corner-cutting that BP and Transocean did on that well was not going to end well.
..i saw a "60 Minutes" interview with one guy that nearly drowned, and swam away from the rig in a sea of burning crude...
..that was when i made this thread...
..he personally alerted transocean to the faulty blowout preventers...
..bp said to f***in' DRILL!...
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Cutting corners to save/make a few bucks. Shortcuts don't work.
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My point is that you have to have your head up your ass to the shoulders, at least, to defend BP in this sh**.
And yes, we have plenty of Americans with their heads up their asses to the shoulders. At least 24%. The ones that don't know who we defeated to win our independence, and the ones who think George W. Bush was a great president.
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yes i am back...sorry slinger. :-* :-* :-* anyway, at least inferno mentions wall street!!!!!!! thank you very much (its the PRIVATE sector that makes the economy), and you think I am sooooo wrong.... id also say axy is getting this info from one screne and posting on another verbaitme, BUT i do like the knowledgable effort. he seems very intelligent...... and now, as far as the yacht deal...2 things, that race had been scheduled for a time by this point, AS WAS DONE EVERY YEAR... 2: hayward had been "relieved of his duties" prior to said race also... and of course to j, ha, we agree on something, w. was/is a straight piece of sh**!!.. no doubt there, id say 97% are p.o.s!!!
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yes i am back...sorry slinger. :-* :-* :-* anyway, at least inferno mentions wall street!!!!!!! thank you very much (its the PRIVATE sector that makes the economy), and you think I am sooooo wrong.... id also say axy is getting this info from one screne and posting on another verbaitme, BUT i do like the knowledgable effort. he seems very intelligent......
This is no place to go into such details, but I have B. Sc in business economy, MBA in ICT business management and currently I am working on my ph.d. in Business Administration. (I am completing 1st year of 3-year doctoral studies after MBA at the local University of Economy).
Considering that I am interested in political economy and philosophy and development of economic thought, recently, I have been researching the "shock doctrine" of USA (and neoliberals, Chicago school etc.), war in Iraq, events after "freeing up" the markets in Chile, Poland, USSR, Far East crisis at the end of 90s, and produced a number of 70+ page scientific papers on the topic.
I am not getting that info from "screens", at least not while posting, I tend to remember and accumulate a lot of information along the way.
I have been also fully employed for the past seven years in one of the world`s biggest oil&energy multinationals in function of middle manager and have been working for BP as a client.
Also, I am quite interested in macro economy and oil&energy sector, so tend to know quite a bit about all these topics (unfortunately, there is never enough knowledge).
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hey axy, if all said is true, then i stand corrected....(i was right on the last few words tho,lmao).. congradulations and good luck after...BUT, how can you even state negativity when "they"(big oil,persey)pay part of your salary???
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BUT, how can you even state negativity when "they"(big oil,persey)pay part of your salary???
Because, he's not a conservative (e.g., his morality isn't tied to his wallet).
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hey axy, if all said is true, then i stand corrected....(i was right on the last few words tho,lmao).. congradulations and good luck after...BUT, how can you even state negativity when "they"(big oil,persey)pay part of your salary???
I could not answer your question better than jprestonian did.
In my daily work, I am facing so much non-professional behavior and corporative bs it is sometimes hard to comprehend.
Finally, I work for company in oil and gas sector, I am not their SHAREHOLDER. I exchange my work for money, to earn living.
That`s it, nothing more or less. Similar to prostitute. ;D
p.s. BP is now in spotlight, but, trust me, there are companies with much worse corporate governance than BP. Much, much, worse. It`s just that spill did not happen to them (yet).
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Because, he's not a conservative (e.g., his morality isn't tied to his wallet).
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http://www.neatorama.com/tag/donald-jungerman/ (http://www.neatorama.com/tag/donald-jungerman/)
;) :D ;D
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i did hear this a.m that ping pong size tar balls are washing ashore in texas this a.m..... yeah, i would say that you do see ALL sorts of b.s.... ;D ;D ;D prostitute..lmao. guess we all are that way
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i did hear this a.m that ping pong size tar balls are washing ashore in texas this a.m..... yeah, i would say that you do see ALL sorts of b.s.... ;D ;D ;D prostitute..lmao. guess we all are that way
Hi, allegedly, it was just a few liters of those tar things, so they think it could be unrelated to the spill, but originating from some ship. US are lucky because it happened offshore, in the ocean. My country is a sea-side country, but the sea is almost a closed/locked system, with entrance that is 85 km wide at its narrowest point. If something like this happened here, we could pack our things and leave, as there would be no natural biodegradation, compared to the ocean, the sea is shallow, there are no streams/currents that would disperse the spill etc. Furthermore, my country is completely insignificant compared to US, so they would bother even less to fix it.
I wonder what exactly is doing RIGHT NOW, risk assessment department in BP.
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...Well, it's about damned time...
..the flow has been stopped...even if temporarily....
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...Well, it's about damned time... ..the flow has been stopped...even if temporarily....
I SECOND THAT!!!!!.......
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...yeah, and it's probly just gonna burst out half a dozen fissures due to the increased pressure created by the cap....
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that's possible, we can hope it doesn't......get that sh** cleaned up!!!
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...gosh it's hot.......