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Scooters - 125 to 300 => People s200 => Topic started by: skadamo on May 29, 2008, 04:08:55 PM
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Can anyone comment on the differences between these 2 scoots? I am doing some digging but wanted to open the topic to get some first hand experience.
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This may be a little late, but from what I understand the biggest difference is that the SYM is water cooled, and has coated cylindars. If you live in hotter climates, and commute, you may be better off with the water cooled option. Also, I hear that you could possibly get more miles out of the SYM because of the coated cylendars.. I own an kymco S 200 myself, live in oregon and commute year around, 136 miles a week. Have had very few issues with the scoot.
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The SYM HD200 is about the best money you can spend on a new scooter, right now.
I bet the Yager 200i will blow it away, though. ;)
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What do you think about Derbi GP1 250?
139 kg (in terms of weight between Agility 125 and People S250), 23 hp.
Must be a real rocket...
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I own an S 200 and may not have ever even laid eyes on a Sym 200. However there's a good comparison on the Internet if you go to http://www.justgottascoot.com/symhd200.htm (http://www.justgottascoot.com/symhd200.htm)
I love my S 200. It's light and nimble. With a huge topcase I can even do my grocery shopping with the thing. I have a Passat wagon, but can fit 5-6 plastic shopping bags using the case, pet carrier, bag hook and a small backpack.
The two things I don't like about the S 200 are the low top end (below 60 MPH per GPS/68 indicated on speedo) with 200 lbs of me on it and crappy gas mileage (for a 163cc). Well, there's one more thing. A few days after I ride in the rain, rusty water comes out of the bleed holes on the top of the frame and drips all over the engine/transmission.
The Sym is a much more powerful scoot and should last longer as it's water cooled. Unless you never plan to go 55, if the price is the same, go with the Sym.
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I own both scoots. The SYM HD 200 just blows the People S 200 away.
Better ride, faster, quieter, smoother.
The one thing about the KYMCO:
If you want to make a few bucks on the side taking people for their motorcycle road test, the KYMCO is GREAT for that. It is so easy to handle, and so easy to do low speed turns, it is ideal for taking a road test.
Also I like the kick start, it gives me a sense of security (although it only works after the scoot is warmed up, what good is that?)?
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When i was shopping for a modern scooter I looked at both the KYMCO s200 and the SYM HD200. For me the KYMCO was more to my liking because of it's simplicity. for me, the fact that the People s200 is air cooled, carberated and has a back up kick start are all good things. I like things I can easily maintain and fix myself. It is what I like about a old air cooled Vespas and VW bugs. It's that old punk rock DIY functionality. It's not the quickest or the most technical but I bet I will have fun doing my own work and keeping her on the road for a long time. :)
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Ha! not my bag of tea,but the mod potential at half the price no contest,sym and kymco were the same company a one time.I uderstand but,i think Itt's easier to get kymco parts in the states and if your into the modding no where else to go.If i didn't work on my own stuff,the sym would be a better choice.
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..some of the syms and kymcos look almost identical....
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I did not join this forum to trash KYMCO, so if anyone is offended I apologize.
The KYMCO is more agile, and therefore better for strictly city riding. It takes corners and turns more easily, and can zip around traffic.
The SYM is more of a highway bike. It is faster (74+ MPH vs 60 MPH GPS), and rides very nicely on the highway. I took the People S on the parkway, at 60 it is topped out, and it really whines! And it does not feel very stable. I did add the big Cupertini windshield (off for the summer) and Dr Pulley 14g sliders.
The SYM is OK on the street, but the center of gravity is different, and it is not as stable at low speeds. I dropped it in a parking lot standing still! Once moving however, the SYM is a better ride and much more stable, but a bit harder to make right turns, as you have to get a little more speed to be able to lean as the weight and center of gravity can drop the bike on a slow turn. The PeopleS is more like a moped, you can just lean it right over and recover.
So if you need strictly a city bike, the KYMCO is good. And air cooled leaves less to worry about. But for the suburbs, the SYM is just twice the bike. Better ride, MUCH more top end, MUCH better and smoother acceleration, highway capable.
OK< so that's my opinion. YMMV. And I have nothing against KYMCO, I own one!
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...yeah, that's the good thing about this forum...
..you're allowed to own, or like any scoot you want to!!
..it's a free world!!..so to speak....
..for instance, our good friend inferno..bless his soul, just abandoned ship..(traitor)... ;D ..for a danged burger!!!!
;)
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You must be one of those local boys...
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You must be one of those local boys...
..we're all local boys...and girls, i reckon....
..so are you!!
:o
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Why go out for a burger, when you've got a kymco at home?
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Why go out for a burger, when you've got a kymco at home?
Why go out for a burger, when you've got a steak at home?
;D
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Probably hates to get up off the couch.
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...maybe, but probably works 60+ hours a week.....
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I meant that the Burg is a rolling Barcolounger...
Never have to get off the couch
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Ha! not my bag of tea,but I may be eating those words today,just found a 2007 with 2500 miles on it,Think i'm gona pull the trigger at $1300
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Buying a SYM? CONGRATS
Email or PM me if you need any help, I have that bike pretty well figured out.
Windshields, LED lights, Givi box, saddle bags, headlight modulator, the whole shebang!
DO NOT use the side stand until you do the mod. Else you will have to pick the bike up off the ground.
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And let me add this:
If it was in a SERIOUS accident, of course you don't want it. But if it was laid down and has a few scratches, jump on it or I will. The SYM is freaking bulletproof. Mine has been down three times, once with me under it at 30 MPH. I broke, the SYM did not.
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Thanks for the offer,but it's actually the s 200,minor road rash,was an insarance right off but no issuise I can see,get a closer look later this afternoon,The price is too good to not take a look at he had it up for $2500 at the beginning of summer,but the reconstruced title scares alot of people off,all cosmetic and minor that i can tell at this point got to ride it later. Thanks! me on a 4t :o
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Cant post any more pics today i guess,check out word's look out world for a couple of pics.First impessions,it's not a ball of fire off the line,the seated position seem to be a little off for my taste,but runs like a champ,and anyone that follows are 50cc stuff knows mods will be in the works.Oh ya that side stand is worthless I tell everyone i sale a bike to never use it for anything!I did find one use for it tie your stop light magnete to it and at stops i push it down a couple times seems to help trigger the sensers with the 50cc models.Cheers!
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The 200 S has good acceleration up to about 50 MPH. There is something wrong with it.
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Ya the belt and rollers dont seem to be mated to well,THERE WILL BE MODS!!! Going to open the airbox upjet than hit that cvt up,The motor seems to be making decent power it's just not makeing it to the ground.Here I go again :D The silence is deffining after my 2t's I like to be heard at least a little bit.It is a giant leap from the vino 125 I tried out for awile.Nothing some mods won't cure ;) seems they were going for the mpg's not cc's
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I have 14g Dr Pulley sliders in mine. They work pretty well.
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cool any info will be good I kinda whant to up the performance first I,ve out performed my 2t cvt 3 times now,live and learn.Whats the demention on those rollers,Have you tried anything heavier should get some more top might be checking into some different belt lengths something isnt quite right here,have you replaced the stock belt,I don't like the way the stock one feels if so was it a bando or some thing else,this one feel like a cheap chinese one.Don't know when i'm going to open it up ,but it will be soon,Got my two hot rod 50's they never seem to be done a honda elite 150(lost a cam bearing)At least it wasn't running when happened and my 63 vbb totol rebuild in my spare time :P Just what I needed a new scoot to play with Ha! Loving every minute of it.
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It is a proprietary belt. There is a replacement one floating around someplace, but I would not bother.
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Ya it don't feel like the bando or its just not mached well for the rest of the cvt.i'll know in a few days. do you know what main jets it takes and size
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No idea but I suggest you bring it back to stock before you do any mods. Accel is very good, top speed is 60 GPS no matter what you do. I would not mod it at all, there is no reason. Spend your money on a windshield or Givi box
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..60 is not fast enough for art!!...
:o
..he's got a ppl 50 that'll top that without breathing hard...lol..
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It used to i'll get it ironed out eventually ,Got the the seat off as we speak the carb is coming out hope i have the right jets for ir here,Not doing any big mods just some fine tuneing.all these peoples are under tuned for mpg.I do have a carbin fiber pipe that fit the vino 125 wonder if it fits hmmmm ;D
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The patient has lived :D The upjet was a screaming success! opened up a spare kiehin to an indicated .045 on the caliper,took the 1/4" play out of the throttle cable and added 4 1/4" holes to the airbox(on the bottem outer cover)Results can just pull the front tire off the ground a little if hooks up right to a little tire spin now and then 0 to 60 much better top is around 70 indicated. a little cvt tuning could be AWSOME pulls my test hill at 50 little better than my other beast.To all those doubters :P ;D
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You will find that 70 indicated is around 62 to maybe 63, and that's all there is. And it is REALLY screaming.
It is a good urban commuter, very agile and quick on local streets. It is not in any way a highway bike.
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....wowww..........
:o
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...i ran 57 indicated..downhill, for about 1/4 mile then maintained the following 1/2 mile flat at 52 indicated on my guilty today.....
yee-haa!!
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Ha not planning any cross country trips ,but with the cvt tuned properly should be able to hit a freeway for a stretch.If i understood what all the vacume lines did i could coax allot more out with a open airbox.Did run it without the cover for a bit it would need to be up jetted again a could bring the front all the way up,I think there is some more top in the cvt,I,m into this for $4 in mods do far and a new belt and rollers will be mayby $60 more buck and think I'll be able to get it to 80 indicated quickly!If i get the right rollers and belt the first try.That will be another day for this monkey tuner ;)
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Do'nt make it faster than your people you'll have nothing to look forword to. ;D
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...with the right tuning, that 4-stroke should run a good 70 easily...80 for th' short stretches....
..i say GO FOR IT!!!...
;D
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..it will never be that quick, or fast...
..i had it hitting 52 gps before my problems..
..todays run would have been right at 55...
..seems i needed to open the exhaust all along...
..duh-me.....
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...with the right tuning, that 4-stroke should run a good 70 easily...80 for th' short stretches....
..i say GO FOR IT!!!...
;D
Can you PM me? There is a bridge in Brooklyn I want to speak to you about...........
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...dang...any stroke 4-stroke can be....umm...stroked...for another sustainable 10 mph...
..seen it happen many times, just in this forum!!..
???
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...hell, i gotta 50 cc 4t that does it every day...
;D
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Does what every day? 80 MPH on a 50cc?
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Does what every day? 80 MPH on a 50cc?
..yeah...don't i wish.....
;D
..no, but one that does better than 10 mph over the stock speed, without winding out the engine...
..it's a balance between engine capabilities and cvt tuning....
..it CAN be done...
:o
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There are alot of pony's left in this baby ran it with out the aircleaner cover another up jet would have this thing bringing the front tire up at will,but i rather have the top speed,to many vac lines i don't uderstand the perpose of YET to go open air! It will go fast for a relitivly cheap price all let you all know when i get time to open that cvt.My people 50 was gps'ed at 60mph with it running badly and the wrong weights in it.this was its cruising speed till i tinkered to much at a 1/4 throttle once to speed wasnn't great off the line but could run pegged 1 1/2" pasted the 50 mark with over !/2 throttle left when it was at its best,no gps at the time to verify top speed.It will be there again.
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I know I'm getting into this thread late,but I just joined here. We got my wife a SYM HD200 over a year ago.The only negative I can think of is that it has no kick starter to use as a backup.Since you can't push start an automatic, I do think they should ALL have a kick starter.
For a 200cc the HD200 is a powerhouse.This scooter would handle all day freeway riding without getting ruffled, so you don't have to sit down with a map and plan all back road routes (though we do prefer back roads anyway).
Oh-the other thing-the importer, Carter Brothers burned dow a while back, so finding parts could be a problem for a while.I think there are lots more Kymco dealers around.
Take care, Jon in Puyallup, Wa.
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Parts for the SYM are not a problem.
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I don't know if anyone is still following this thread, but my sense is that the Kymco and the SYM are so close that it all comes down to your local dealer. If you have one or the other nearby, get the bike they carry. If you have to go out of town for either, it's a wash. Seriously, support your local dealer. I think I might prefer the SYM, but my local Kymco dealer is terrific.
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I don't know if anyone is still following this thread, but my sense is that the Kymco and the SYM are so close that it all comes down to your local dealer. If you have one or the other nearby, get the bike they carry. If you have to go out of town for either, it's a wash. Seriously, support your local dealer. I think I might prefer the SYM, but my local Kymco dealer is terrific.
For me....This is so true! When I purchased my Kymco People S200 (back in 2005), I really wanted the SYM HD200, but the dealer was simply too far away for me. The SYM HD200 is a better scooter for the money. Both are super reliable. It came down to where the dealer was located. I sold my S200 in 2009 & scored a Suzuki TU-250X motorcycle, then solid it & purchased a Kymco GT300i last week.