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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: Dark13 on April 12, 2010, 12:45:09 AM

Title: K&N upgrade
Post by: Dark13 on April 12, 2010, 12:45:09 AM
ok with everything being stock how large of a main jet should i anticipate?

and on an older post i saw something about another line the needs a filter if you remove the stock air box if there is can someone post pics?
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: Shaka on April 12, 2010, 01:24:47 AM
Not sure on the jet, but a lot of that is trial and error to begin with.  I think the extra line you are referring to may be the crank-case ventilation.  It really just comes down to having to put a filter on any additional lines leading from the air box.  Don't just plug them!
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: wordslinger on April 12, 2010, 10:42:54 AM
..i wish i could say what jet you're gonna need...but it seems my scoot has always ran a larger jet than most ppl here...

..just do plug chops as you go, and trust what your scoot is telling you...

peace
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: joeboy on April 12, 2010, 04:02:45 PM
ok with everything being stock how large of a main jet should i anticipate?

and on an older post i saw something about another line the needs a filter if you remove the stock air box if there is can someone post pics?

Mine had a K+N it had an 88 jet and a washer under the needle, I put it back to stock but thats how it was.
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: Dark13 on April 12, 2010, 08:36:06 PM
whats the easier or better way to go about the fuel mixture going with a jet that works or messing with the needle? and could someone post pics of the needle your all referring to?

and what size range should i get 88 - 110?
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: zombie on April 12, 2010, 09:25:47 PM
The needle is for metering the fuel from about 1/4-3/4 throttle. The main jet does the 3/4-full throttle range. With just an air filter mod you should be able to get away w/ 2-3 sizes bigger than the stock jet. http://www.flydiver.com/HTML/Delorto%20Carburetor%20Tuning%20Guide.html (http://www.flydiver.com/HTML/Delorto%20Carburetor%20Tuning%20Guide.html)   This site has more info on the basic carbs. we all run. The needle runs into the main jet, and depending on the size/setting it will alter the fuel flow through the jet.
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: Dark13 on April 12, 2010, 09:44:18 PM
so what is the stock jet size?

also did you mean i will only need to up the jet a couple of sizes or will i have to mess with the needle

also what k&n should i get and is there a place that sells tuner sets of jets for a decent price?
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: Dark13 on April 13, 2010, 01:02:40 AM
found a site that has some cool stuff maybe this will help someone else

http://www.scootercraft.com/product_info.php?info=p23077_Naraku-Carburetor-M4-Main-Jet-Set---Kymco-Filly---GY6.html (http://www.scootercraft.com/product_info.php?info=p23077_Naraku-Carburetor-M4-Main-Jet-Set---Kymco-Filly---GY6.html)

they also have the pilot jets as well

http://www.scootercraft.com/product_info.php?info=p23015_Stage6-Pilot--Slow-Jet-Kit---PWK-Carburetors.html (http://www.scootercraft.com/product_info.php?info=p23015_Stage6-Pilot--Slow-Jet-Kit---PWK-Carburetors.html)

also a thought just hit me what happens if the k&n filter gets wet?
like when im riding home in the rain
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: sidthesloth on April 13, 2010, 01:32:48 AM
When I park at work (a very dirty place) and when I wash it I just slip a stubby holder over the filter, is a perfect fit.
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: ScooterCommuter on April 13, 2010, 02:02:24 AM
so what is the stock jet size?

Stock main jet from the factory on an A50 is an 80 if its restricted, an 82 if not.
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: Dark13 on April 13, 2010, 02:09:15 AM
yeah but what about when i ride home in a heavy downpour
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: zombie on April 13, 2010, 02:14:51 AM
It has never been a problem on mine. Just stay out of the deep stuff. I also spray PB Blaster on it about once a week to repel water.
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: Dark13 on April 13, 2010, 02:34:52 AM
oh OK didn't think of that

cool thanks for the info

i requested a week off for labor day so unless something bad happens i will have a new paint job new filter new jets and one bitch'in ride  ;D

and a high performance clutch kit (if i get lucky)

which kinda reminds me do you guys think that a 1k rpm contra + 5grm rollers + some slightly stronger than factory clutch springs would work with my stock setup? and what kind of enhancement could i expect
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: zombie on April 13, 2010, 04:24:50 AM
That set up will give you more rpm's and a quicker launch/midrange. You will be cruising at higher rpm's but I think the difference is well worth it. One thing to be carefull of is if you use any 1 part spray can enamel they are not fuel proof. Lacquer, and urethanes are.
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: Dark13 on April 13, 2010, 12:19:29 PM
oh i know there is a clear enamel that I'm going to get for a top coat

so what is involved in modding the needle?
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: wordslinger on April 13, 2010, 01:25:57 PM
oh i know there is a clear enamel that I'm going to get for a top coat

so what is involved in modding the needle?

..ultimately, even with everything i've done to my scoot, i've wound up with th needle in it's stock position..

..there is no adjustments that can be made to the needle without actually grinding it's head flat, filing some off the nylon retaining clip, and placing a washer beneath the head of the needle...

..if you install the K&N, you will probably need to increase your main jet size, and an 88 is a good starting point, but you probably won't have to mod the needle...

..just speaking from what i've gone thru...


peace
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: Dark13 on April 13, 2010, 01:55:38 PM
cool

know of any good place to buy spark plugs in bulk? ;D
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: wordslinger on April 13, 2010, 02:42:14 PM
...i just get mine thru my local auto parts store...

..i hve to order them because they don't stock the NGK C8HSA...

...but they're there th next day...less than 2 bucks a plug...

..you might try Stadium Yamaha.com...
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: sidthesloth on April 13, 2010, 10:17:08 PM
Wow, 5 bucks a plug for me.
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: zombie on April 14, 2010, 01:44:55 AM
I can send you Cases of them if you gots the buyers.
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: Dark13 on April 14, 2010, 02:33:29 AM
hey zombie do you know alot about paint?
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: zombie on April 14, 2010, 05:28:41 AM
That's what I do for a living! Fiberglass fabrication, and painting. I specialize in boats. I have sprayed 150' yachts, (Awl Grip 2 part urethane) Right down to Show Parts on custom vehicles. Whacha Wanna Know?
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: wordslinger on April 14, 2010, 10:46:10 AM
Wow, 5 bucks a plug for me.

..ouch!...plug chops could get expensive down under!!!...
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: Dark13 on April 14, 2010, 12:32:09 PM
how hard would it be to repaint my scoot (just the colored part around seat and the part around the head light) my self using spray cans and make it look good and last?

and what would be the steps?
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: wordslinger on April 14, 2010, 12:40:26 PM
...that's how i painted mine...

..removed the backrest, seat and rack..

..sanded everything down...I actually used scotch-brite pad for sanding (all I had handy)

...masked off the floorboard and motor compartment, headlamp, handlebar cowl...etc...

..primed with a GOOD quality spray primer...sanded and primed again...

...then painted with a GOOD quality paint..

..sanded, again, then sprayed on a final coat...

..'course, i went with a semi-gloss nearly flat black, so i wasn't concerned with the shine...
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: zombie on April 14, 2010, 04:52:53 PM
It is a real easy deal Dark, Why don't you post it in a new thread, and I can go into it in depth w/ you. Slinger highlighted for you, and it really is just that easy!
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: Dark13 on April 23, 2010, 06:56:11 PM
ok i have my card in hand and im ready to buy my K&N filter anyone know of a good site to order from?

and which one should i get?
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: wordslinger on April 23, 2010, 07:11:21 PM
..the K&N website i wher I got mine...the part number is in this board somewhere,

..but I just ordered a free-flow filter from scootertronics for half the price of a K&N...

"http://www.scootertronics.com/mrpairfi35.html"
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: wordslinger on April 23, 2010, 08:27:20 PM
 K&N RC-2290

..that's the part number for the A50 filter...


 ;D
Title: Re: K&N upgrade
Post by: Slow Agility on April 24, 2010, 07:01:31 AM
$32.71 Shipped on ebay for the K&N

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/K-N-AIR-FILTER-INLET-1-563-40-mm-HEIGHT-3-RC-2290_W0QQitemZ390105315875QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5ad416ba23 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/K-N-AIR-FILTER-INLET-1-563-40-mm-HEIGHT-3-RC-2290_W0QQitemZ390105315875QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5ad416ba23)