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Scooters - 50cc => Super 9 => Topic started by: Hillbillyscooter on March 25, 2010, 02:04:01 PM
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There was post post out there that told you what wire to cut to remove the rev limiter does anyone rememeber what wire it is?
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There is no wire to cut on the Super 9. The old ones had a green wire on the CDI box that looped out of the bottom. You could unplug this. That's for the liquid cooled models. With the new Super 9 (air cooled) you need to change it out for a no rev limit CDI. They're about $30.
~Josh
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There is no wire to cut on the Super 9. The old ones had a green wire on the CDI box that looped out of the bottom. You could unplug this. That's for the liquid cooled models. With the new Super 9 (air cooled) you need to change it out for a no rev limit CDI. They're about $30.
~Josh
......and exactly where do I find one which works? I cannot determine if I have an AC or DC fired S9, it is a 2008 air cooled. I found a couple on fleabay, but who has the best product? Could someone post a link or 2?
I also found a couple pics of a CDI with a saw cut on the edge; this was supposed to remove the limiter. Anyone see this work? Everyone makes this CDI swap sound pretty easy, but I am having a hard time finding one.
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Hey buzzbomb. Post up a Pict, or the wire colors on yours. we can figure the best way to go for you. Also the wires going into the cdi... Do the go straight to the stator, or thru the voltage regulator first?
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Well Zombie, I have read more about the modules, and while checking for 12 volts at the plugs with the key on, I do not find 12 volts. Is this an AC fired unit? I cannot find a wiring diagram, so no help there. Also, how do I post a picture( I know, a newbie problem, but I did read the topics on the help menu.)
I will work on the factory manual I have on CD, but there are no wiring diagrams. The ones I downloaded from timtaylor.net (http://timtaylor.net) I cannot open with the free RAR frog found there.
Windows7- hmmmmm..........
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...hey buzz..try this one...
"http://www.scribd.com/doc/18292347/Kymco-Super-9-50-EN"
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http://download.cnet.com/7-Zip/3000-2250_4-10045185.html (http://download.cnet.com/7-Zip/3000-2250_4-10045185.html) 7 Zip is a great free software. It will even do RAR's. http://download.cnet.com/Free-Picture-Resize-Starter/3000-12511_4-10297789.html (http://download.cnet.com/Free-Picture-Resize-Starter/3000-12511_4-10297789.html) This a the easiest re-size software I have found. You adjust the pix size to anything you want hit resize now, and there is an analyzer that will report the file size so you will KNOW if it right. W/ the key on and no 12v at the cdi you have an ac set-up. Do you have a Dark green next to a Light green on the cdi plug? If not the best suggestion I have for you is to contact Suitai. http://www.motorcycle-components.com/ (http://www.motorcycle-components.com/) Use the PHONE as they do not generally answer email. They are the manufacturer of the Kymco cdi's. They will program an un-restricted FACTORY cdi for you. The cost is less than ANY other cdi you can find, and they give you a 90 day warranty to boot. Shipping from Taiwan to Fl. USA was $20.00, and took 2 weeks. There are others on ebay but you cannot beat factory quality, and the timing curve is designed for YOUR scoot
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http://download.cnet.com/7-Zip/3000-2250_4-10045185.html (http://download.cnet.com/7-Zip/3000-2250_4-10045185.html) 7 Zip is a great free software. It will even do RAR's. http://download.cnet.com/Free-Picture-Resize-Starter/3000-12511_4-10297789.html (http://download.cnet.com/Free-Picture-Resize-Starter/3000-12511_4-10297789.html) This a the easiest re-size software I have found. You adjust the pix size to anything you want hit resize now, and there is an analyzer that will report the file size so you will KNOW if it right. W/ the key on and no 12v at the cdi you have an ac set-up. Do you have a Dark green next to a Light green on the cdi plug? If not the best suggestion I have for you is to contact Suitai. http://www.motorcycle-components.com/ (http://www.motorcycle-components.com/) Use the PHONE as they do not generally answer email. They are the manufacturer of the Kymco cdi's. They will program an un-restricted FACTORY cdi for you. The cost is less than ANY other cdi you can find, and they give you a 90 day warranty to boot. Shipping from Taiwan to Fl. USA was $20.00, and took 2 weeks. There are others on ebay but you cannot beat factory quality, and the timing curve is designed for YOUR scoot
Thanks for the help, Zombie. I finally got the RAR files to extract, and looked through the service manual a bit. Learned a little more, too. I will check on my CDI this weekend. It is currently snowing where I live, and scooter riding is not really on top of my list this weekend!
I must say, you guys on this forum are THE BEST!! Scooter help AND computer help, all in one!
:) :)
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Where do you Live?! It was 90 here today!
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Where do you Live?! It was 90 here today!
Wisconsin: Rustbelt, USA. Current temp.. 35*, rain/ sleet mix, calling for up to 4 inches by morning. Best May snowstorm I recall was May 10, 1990. Seven inches that time. Stupid trees that had leaves fell down.
Rained HARD all day today, more to follow tomorrow. I am running out of pellets for my pellet stove- gonna get cold in my rec room this weekend. Maybe I'll burn a sofa............ >:(
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I have family somewhere in Wisc. I personally never saw the attraction, but I currently live in a swamp in Fla. so who am I to judge. I hope it's not your favorite sofa!
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Remind me not to live in Wisconsin!!!! Sorry about the sucky weather, another 90+ day here! I'm sure it will be summer soon enough!
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Remind me not to live in Wisconsin!!!! Sorry about the sucky weather, another 90+ day here! I'm sure it will be summer soon enough!
Well, I had actually lived in Las Vegas for about a year, so I can honestly say "thats HOT!!", and I mean it.
Besides, winter is only about 6 months, anyway. Thats only about 24 weekends. Really just a state of mind.
BTW- its warmed up to 47* right now. Should be about 50 all week, with lows around 30. No scooter riding to work this week! I aint that desperate. ???
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Well, I had actually lived in Las Vegas for about a year, so I can honestly say "thats HOT!!", and I mean it.
Besides, winter is only about 6 months, anyway. Thats only about 24 weekends. Really just a state of mind.
BTW- its warmed up to 47* right now. Should be about 50 all week, with lows around 30. No scooter riding to work this week! I aint that desperate. ???
I don't think I want that state of mind! :D
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The old ones had a green wire on the CDI box that looped out of the bottom. You could unplug this. That's for the liquid cooled models
thanks for the info ...just got a new cdi for my stolen super 9 and it does have a green wire coming out the back :)
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A bonus! What did it cost you! (for the others looking)
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THIS IS THE REV-LIMITER FOR THE SUPER 9 L/C, JUST PULL APART THE WIRES AND THAT'S IT--GREAT
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The liquid cooled engine has a higher peak timing vs the AC version due to the cooler running temp of the LC. Up-size your jet 2 steps, and run 1 size colder plug or you do stand a chance of melting your piston. There is a +5 degree difference in the 2 cdi's That is why the LC engine is more powerfull. Other than those two small mods it is fine to swap the cdi's
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Well, this CDI is what I have now installed -http://www.partsforscooters.com/169-27-Performance-CDI (http://www.partsforscooters.com/169-27-Performance-CDI). It seems to be about the same performance, as far as I can tell- but this is a totally stock S9 A/C, 2008 model.
I am , of course, looking for more performance, so, what's the next step for my scooter? I am thinking a clutch or modding the stock one, looking for higher top end. I have read all I can find on this tricky subject- where do I, as an amateur, start? Moped Hospital has a lot of popular clutch components, but I am overwhelmed at the different parts. Any help and guidance for a newbie?
I will probably go all out with a 70cc kit later, but for now, a clutch is in order.
Your thoughts, gentlemen?
TIA !
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http://www.malossiusaonline.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=++527880 (http://www.malossiusaonline.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=++527880) That's the jammer you want! It usually runs for $140.00 anywhere else.
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http://www.malossiusaonline.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=++527880 (http://www.malossiusaonline.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=++527880) That's the jammer you want! It usually runs for $140.00 anywhere else.
Thanks, Zombie- I am probably going with that, very soon. As I have a stock S9, when i install that new clutch, should i also change my rollers? I know rider weight is critical, I weigh about (ahem) 190lbs- i should use lighter rollers than stock, correct? I have been doing my homework on this stuff, and although I will most likely end up with a 70cc kit, i want to upgrade one step at a time, and not have to redo anything later.
SO- new Malossi clutch on order, maybe new rollers,- how about carb mods? Do I need to mess with jetting yet, or just leave well enough alone, of course awaiting that 70cc kit?
Is a Technigas pipe beneficial to a stock motor, and will it then work even better with the larger cylinder I am putting on later?
Man, I'm gonna go broke this summer! BUT, still cheaper than the BMW tuning..... ::)
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OOOOHhhhh DuDE! You wil be surprised at the difference! Depending if you want a wheelie machine, or a top end runner. Either way the best thing you can do is replace the airbox w/ a free flo filter. Many don't like them because they blow engines w/ them. Even the lighter rollers will need more fuel, or a colder plug. This little engine tuning has my attention
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Well Zombie, I like your enthusiasm! I will order the Malossi clutch, and I am also thinking of lighter rollers and a stiffer torque spring, to be determined yet. We'll see what that combo gets me- I have a bet to win with a coworker- I need to beat his (as yet) unmodified C3 Yamaha. I do believe I have the upper hand here with all the good advice I have found here!
What, exactly do I do with my air filter, and carb jetting- when it comes to carbs, I am not that experienced with modding or re jetting. I will search for an air filter to try out. And, why do engines blow with them.....? I have run the scooter on the stand with the airbox removed, but not rode without it. My old Razz would not even move off the line without the airbox, so I am curious.
Thanks for the help!
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The idea of adding a free flo filter is to allow more air into the clyinder. W/ more air you must have more fuel to keep the mix ratio at safe levels. If you just install a filter, the engine will scream! you will think you found a magic set-up.... until the piston melts, and you are pushing it home. One of the best steps to moding your scoot would be getting a PROPER reed cage/intake manifold/carb. For about 200. bucks you can get a good Delorto, or any other top brand set-up. This will add about 5 mph top end, and get you there alot quicker. If you want a pipe, I use the Technigas r2. Don't buy the Next version as it will not breath well if you go to a 70cc kit. The rollers will have to be changed w/ each mod you do as they tune the cvt to run at the rpm range you need for each set up. I suggest buying a few CHEAP sets of them so you can find what you like, and not hurt your budget too much. Once you have the scoot the way you like it go out and get the good rollers. I think w/ just the carb. set-up you can kick the C-3's A$$.
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All right, Zombie! I am ready.
So, we've got a new clutch. New (lighter) rollers, stiffer torque spring, and larger carb and reed setup. And the 70cc setup, and last but not least a Technigas pipe (not the Next!). What should I order first- THIS WEEKEND? Unfortunately, I will need to spread the cost out a bit to do it all, so one step at a time. As I said before, I want to be able to make each modification compliment each other, and keep improving the performance.
I have scanned many web sites, and have a few ideas what I should get first, but a little help will get me going. My credit card is ready to rock and roll!
So, step one? :)
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we've got a new clutch. New (lighter) rollers, stiffer torque spring, I would start here! You could buy a set of each 5.5gr/6gr./7gr. rollers. The 7's will do well for now, and you will want to go lighter w/ each additional mod. I would go w/ the carb/intake system second as you will want a solid clutch to get the power to the ground. The only way to get it all tuned would be to add the jug kit, and pipe together. That will hurt the wallet a bit, but it will save you doing all the tuning over, and over. All together I have around $1'500.00 in mods., and because they are all quality parts it now costs me less to maintain the scoot. Once a year I change the springs/belt,/fluids, and I use a new set of rings about twice a year. It all comes down to the details. Just post up your ?'s, and you'll be LUVI'N your scoot.
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Zombie, THANKS for the advice! I am gonna find a clutch, torque spring, and rollers first. I was looking at the Dr. Pulley sliders- any opinions on these? I just don't know what size I need, but, like you said, maybe just an assortment of rollers for know, trying the different weights . Any advantage to replacing the stock variator, or just swap out rollers?
The 70cc kit will happen sometime down the road. This is going to be fun!! :D
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The materials used in the aftermarket vars is MUCH better than the stamped/cast parts in the stock var. Also the ramp angles are steeper to get to the top range quicker. If you can spare the coin to go for the clutch/var/belt/rollers all in one shot, it would be the best move you can make to get that 9 kicking some a$$. Dr. Pulley sliders do have an edge on performance so getting the weight right for you using cheep rollers is a better approach than guessing at a $30.00 set of sliders. You won't see any great power difference w/ tuning the cvt... but the gain is in how, and when the power you do have is applied. I did my mods in the same order. cvt/carb.kit/jug&pipe. I had to re-tune the var weights each time but the springs remained the same. I'll wait for that post that is all smile faces...
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OK Zombie, thanks for the info- I am thinking about getting a new variator, the Malossi Delta clutch, and a new torque spring- sooooo, my question- where do I find a variator????? I have scanned a few popular websites, and the Malossi site has about 87 different variators listed, and about that many different prices, too- their website does not have any easy means of determining which one of many I need for my application. I am sure there must be other places online, but I need help picking the one that fits, and where to get it. I have read much about the Technomoto variator, but a search turns up, well, not much.
Popular sites, such as Moped Hospital, do not list Technomoto. I know there may be others worth considering; this is just my feeble attempt to locate a couple different models. Any suggestions?
Also, when I search sites such as Moped Hospital, some do not list Super 9 air cooled as a search category. Any difference in these parts? Seems the air cooled is a bit of a less popular scoot, but that was all they produced 2 years ago when I bought mine new. I still like it , though....
With your patient help here, I think I can get R' dun! :D
As always, TIA!!!
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http://www.scooterworks.com/Malossi_Cyl_Kit_-_People_Cobr_P2353C519.cfm (http://www.scooterworks.com/Malossi_Cyl_Kit_-_People_Cobr_P2353C519.cfm) This page has the jug kit, and under it is the variator. Malossi usa dosen't list it on their site. (because it is a discontinued scoot) 104.99 is a fair price, but if you call Malossi w/ the part #'s, and prices I'm sure they will run you a deal. Mention the forum, and Ken/zombie. They work real well w/ me. Many times w/ no shipping, or if a part is out of stock they will do a no shipping deal if I wait 7-10 days for it to arrive. You may find the same a scooter works, as I have never ordered from them but many of us here have. There are 4-5 good brands for parts, but Malossi, and Polini make theirs for racing, and prove them every day. Others are just band wagon jumpers in my opinion. I just noticed the var needs a face plate along w/ the kit. Don't forget to ask about that.
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You guys make me fell like i'm in a classroom, but that is excellent information.
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I learn more here than anywhere else in my average day. A bunch of cool people too! Except that one guy... Man I hate him!
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...damn that guy...messes up everything....
..i came here without a frikin clue...
..still feel that way from time to time...
..but the answers are here..
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I'VE FOUND HIM BUT CANNOT SEE HIS FACE
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...gimme a dart!!!....