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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Agility 125 => Topic started by: Cortez on February 07, 2010, 10:59:32 AM
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It's finally here! ;D
Replacing my 2003 Peugeot Speedfight2 50cc with 20.000 miles on the clock, the
Agility 125 is exactly what the doctor ordered!
I didn't want to sacrifice any of the little Peugeot's agility (pun intended),
but needed a bit more 'oomph', especially when riding with a pillion. I think
the A125 will fit like a glove. I didn't even know it was longer/bigger then my
previous scoot until just a few days ago..
There was a 50cc Agility at my work every day, and I figured the A125 was the same
size. I had no idea the wheelbase was different, and that's a really welcome surprise :)
Anywhu, here it is, the 2006 (bought by 1st owner in 2008) red Agility 125, mint condition,
with just 2000 miles on the clock.. with a Kappa 26L topcase (I'll probably use the 35L case
which I own too, though).
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1778/p2054457custom.th.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/i/p2054457custom.jpg/)
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8290/p2054456custom.th.jpg) (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/p2054456custom.jpg/)
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(Excuse the indoor pictures, it was dark outside, snowing, and my registration papers are just halfway done,
so, no rides before tuesday atleast :( )
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What about that Tomos on the right?
Looks brand new! Never seen one of those in the streets...
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What about that Tomos on the right?
Looks brand new! Never seen one of those in the streets...
It's my father in law's.
A far cry from brand new, but it's well maintained by him.
Needs some work done, but it runs and he rides it daily to work and back,
even when it snows. I'll check the mileage and post pics if doesn't mind.
I have no idea what year it is either. I think he said it'll do over 60km/h,
which is a lot faster then the ~2000 Tomos automatic I had for a while. ;D
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Congrats! Thanks for the pics and update.
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...cool...i didn't know the 125 was bigger....nice looking scoot!
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Congrats! Thanks for the pics and update.
Thanks! *bows*
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...cool...i didn't know the 125 was bigger....nice looking scoot!
Thanks!
I believe I was told the wheelbase difference was 7 inches!
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...i like the agility city...16" wheels....
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...i like the agility city...16" wheels....
Yeah, I like them too, but I can't afford a new one so it'll have to wait.
The Agility 125 is just what I wanted and needed, if all goes well I'll replace it
with the Agility City after 20k miles and do it all over again..
I rather fancy the People S200 too, but we'll see.
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...the 125 would suit me just fine...think that's what i'll upgrade to when the time comes...
..wonder what i could do to speed a 125 up.......hhhmmmm....
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..wonder what i could do to speed a 125 up.......hhhmmmm....
Throw it off a cliff!
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...lol..yeah, but i bet a free-flow air filter, rejetting the carb, some lighter rollers and a stiffer torque spring would be a bit more enjoyable...
;D
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...lol..yeah, but i bet a free-flow air filter, rejetting the carb, some lighter rollers and a stiffer torque spring would be a bit more enjoyable...
;D
Thaaat's right, wordslinger, that's the ticket to Funville, Enjoyland!!! ;)
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...lol..yeah, but i bet a free-flow air filter, rejetting the carb, some lighter rollers and a stiffer torque spring would be a bit more enjoyable...
;D
That's probably the route I would have taken some 15 years ago.. but the little A125 is
as fast as I need it to be around town, and the only thing I'll be looking to improve is it's
fuel mileage as I ride a lot and am on a very tight monthly budget.
There IS an Agility 150 available (both the old and new City R16) with about 10,5hp and
that's an option I might consider, swapping out the engine parts, but not before mine hits
at least 20.000km.
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That's probably the route I would have taken some 15 years ago.. but the little A125 is
as fast as I need it to be around town, and the only thing I'll be looking to improve is it's
fuel mileage as I ride a lot and am on a very tight monthly budget.
What exactly can you improve? Drop the consumption from 3.0 to 2.9 l/100 km if you are very careful? :)
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That's probably the route I would have taken some 15 years ago.. but the little A125 is
as fast as I need it to be around town, and the only thing I'll be looking to improve is it's
fuel mileage as I ride a lot and am on a very tight monthly budget.
There IS an Agility 150 available (both the old and new City R16) with about 10,5hp and
that's an option I might consider, swapping out the engine parts, but not before mine hits
at least 20.000km.
If your tight budget doesn't allow you to have a 125 cc with a fuel mileage of only 3 l/100 km, then it's probably a better idea to stay home and just use your feet as means of transportation or, better yet, not have a scooter at all, isnt' it?
After all, there's just a tad more than a fuel consumption and that's fun and joy while riding, no matter what the cc's are, I hope you realize that.
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There IS an Agility 150 available (both the old and new City R16) with about 10,5hp and
that's an option I might consider, swapping out the engine parts, but not before mine hits
at least 20.000km.
..yeah, these aren't offered in the states, as far as i know.....
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There IS an Agility 150 available (both the old and new City R16) with about 10,5hp and
that's an option I might consider, swapping out the engine parts, but not before mine hits
at least 20.000km.
..yeah, these aren't offered in the states, as far as i know.....
Not sold in Croatia either.
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What exactly can you improve? Drop the consumption from 3.0 to 2.9 l/100 km if you are very careful? :)
I was looking more at around 2,86l, but you get the idea.
;D
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If your tight budget doesn't allow you to have a 125 cc with a fuel mileage of only 3 l/100 km, then it's probably a better idea to stay home and just use your feet as means of transportation or, better yet, not have a scooter at all, isnt' it?
After all, there's just a tad more than a fuel consumption and that's fun and joy while riding, no matter what the cc's are, I hope you realize that.
I've got a 650cc Kawasaki for fun and joy, the Agility will be my main A to B transportation, and I'll use it for
work too (bike courier), so fuel consumption is one of the top priorities.
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There IS an Agility 150 available (both the old and new City R16) with about 10,5hp and
that's an option I might consider, swapping out the engine parts, but not before mine hits
at least 20.000km.
..yeah, these aren't offered in the states, as far as i know.....
As Axy said, they never hit Croatia either, but it should be an easy upgrade to do.
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As Axy said, they never hit Croatia either, but it should be an easy upgrade to do.
Maybe I am not a good mechanic, but anything that means touching the engine on 4stroke is not easy upgrade for me...
I bet the crankshaft needs to be changed too with such an "upgrade"... and camshaft costs more than piston+cylinder...
All gaskets that would need to be changed cost like that crankshaft I have mentioned!
In that case,and any other case of "engine upgrades", total cost would be smaller if you buy People 200 straightforward...
Not to mention that it would consume much more gasoline! >:)) :) :)
My People 250 needs >5.5 l/100 km on the highway two up - disaster according to your standards! :)
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Maybe I am not a good mechanic, but anything that means touching the engine on 4stroke is not easy upgrade for me...
I bet the crankshaft needs to be changed too with such an "upgrade"... and camshaft costs more than piston+cylinder...
All gaskets that would need to be changed cost like that crankshaft I have mentioned!
In that case,and any other case of "engine upgrades", total cost would be smaller if you buy People 200 straightforward...
Not to mention that it would consume much more gasoline! >:)) :) :)
My People 250 needs >5.5 l/100 km on the highway two up - disaster according to your standards! :)
It's disaster according to many things.. one of them being that I haven't seen over 5L/100km on my
Kawasaki with almost 4x more power ;D .. and I usually average around 4,3-4,5l!
I have no idea about the differences between the 125 and 150, and I haven't found any sites that mention
them. I DO know that kymco offers a 70 (or 80cc?) kit for their Agility 50 that just bolts right on without
changing anything else and costs the same as a new 50cc cylinder kit.
If that's the same case with 125 vs 150, it should be the cheapest (only?) way of improving both the
acceleration and top speed slightly.
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It's disaster according to many things.. one of them being that I haven't seen over 5L/100km on my
Kawasaki with almost 4x more power ;D .. and I usually average around 4,3-4,5l!
I have no idea about the differences between the 125 and 150, and I haven't found any sites that mention
them. I DO know that kymco offers a 70 (or 80cc?) kit for their Agility 50 that just bolts right on without
changing anything else and costs the same as a new 50cc cylinder kit.
If that's the same case with 125 vs 150, it should be the cheapest (only?) way of improving both the
acceleration and top speed slightly.
4,3-4,5 liters? My God, dear man, are you even moving with that bike at all?
I think there's a lot of work just to replace 125 cc with the 150 cc. It's not just bolt-on, even with the 70cc's is a lot of work. Probably a better idea just buy some 150cc right away.
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It's disaster according to many things.. one of them being that I haven't seen over 5L/100km on my
Kawasaki with almost 4x more power ;D .. and I usually average around 4,3-4,5l!
I have no idea about the differences between the 125 and 150, and I haven't found any sites that mention
them. I DO know that kymco offers a 70 (or 80cc?) kit for their Agility 50 that just bolts right on without
changing anything else and costs the same as a new 50cc cylinder kit.
If that's the same case with 125 vs 150, it should be the cheapest (only?) way of improving both the
acceleration and top speed slightly.
1. You probably do not use throttle much. My ZR-7S hovered around 6.5 l/100 km under normal conditions, and well above 11 l/100 km at top speed on the highway.
4.5 l is feasible on 600 cc if you drive around in top gear at low revs.
Personally I do not like to think about consumption otherwise I would not buy a vehicle (car, bike, quad). I would rather ride on a bus than think about money all the time, especially when cars/bikes are in question and I like driving *a lot*.
Most 200-250 cc scooters do 4.3-4,5l/100 km under normal conditions. I think it is impossible to go under 4 on 200+ cc 4 stroke, maybe if you are <165 cm and <55 kg and extremely careful with the throttle.
You will be happy to hear that my car's trip computer was showing yesterday 20 l/100 km on the highway and I was pushing the pedal maybe 2/3...
2. As I said, the gaskets you have to change and other "small items" cost as much as the kit costs... and also, the work is not done by itself, you have to pay for it.
When you sum it all up, you might as well have purchased 150 cc in the first place and it would be much more reliable than aftermarket kit about which you know close to nothing in terms of quality control and assurance.
My mechanic uses a small file in order to remove/cut the metal debris that was not adequately processed in the kit factory...
Also, when you install "a kit" the first thing that goes down the drain is stock crankshaft.
It happened to me when I had 2 stroke NRG 72 cc kit. It was going like hell until one day stock crankshaft broke.
It is not made to support 50 % more hp (or 100 % in my case).
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4,3-4,5 liters? My God, dear man, are you even moving with that bike at all?
That's what the guys in german motorrad got as an average fuel consumption after
50.000km too, and they even measured the lowest consumption on a complete tank at
3,6 or 3,7l/100km, doing 50-60mph on open roads.
It's got a lot of torque and isn't that heavy, so using low revs is possible.. 5th around town etc.
Not that big of a deal really, the BMW's F800 series can do even more km/l and is 150cc more
and a lot faster bike.
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1. You probably do not use throttle much. My ZR-7S hovered around 6.5 l/100 km under normal conditions, and well above 11 l/100 km at top speed on the highway.
4.5 l is feasible on 600 cc if you drive around in top gear at low revs.
ZR7 is a very different beast, heavier, more ccs, and most importantly, it's carbed, and you re-jetted it!
The ER6 has fuel injection, and it's a twin.. more torque down low so..
Feasible? Averaging 100-110km/h on open roads (usually do 80-90 where the sign says 70) from Osijek to Pozega, and
even with some fun over the twisty bits on Krndija, I usually hit exactly 4,0L when I get there. 100km on the dot, and
I'm still the one overtaking everyone, and never get overtaken myself. That's what 6th gear roll-on torque will do.
'Kralj' averages 6,5l on his ZX6R on the same ride with me.
Personally I do not like to think about consumption otherwise I would not buy a vehicle (car, bike, quad). I would rather ride on a bus than think about money all the time, especially when cars/bikes are in question and I like driving *a lot*.
Most 200-250 cc scooters do 4.3-4,5l/100 km under normal conditions. I think it is impossible to go under 4 on 200+ cc 4 stroke, maybe if you are <165 cm and <55 kg and extremely careful with the throttle.
Running around on the Agility is gonna be cheaper then riding a bus for sure, and I need it for work so.. it's gonna be fun too.
As for the fuel consumption again.. yeah, that's what averages are, the People 200 is probably under 4L though, but it's not
even full 200ccs.
I've had Peugeot Geopolis 400 and Satelis 500 in for reviews while I worked at the newspaper I mentioned and got 4,5L out of
the 400 (it's a 200kg scooter) riding around town like a maniac (bare in mind Osijek is FLAT) and some of it 2up with a 100kg
friend. I did around 300km and calculated the consumption 3 times.
I took the Satelis on the same Osijek - Pozega - Osijek route, rolling on the throttle to the stops out of every corner, most
accelerations were flat-out when overtaking, but I (again) didn't do over 110km/h for long periods, maybe just a few times
to see how fast the thing will go (I got around 165 on the dash). So, rather agressive open road riding, but solo this time,
and this thing weighs around 230kg.. - exactly 4L/100km. I guess it's all about being smooth.
Both of those use Piaggio m.a.s.t.e.r engines (the 500 was 49x cc, not the older 460cc).
http://picasaweb.google.com/dbauernf/PeugeotGeopolis400# (http://picasaweb.google.com/dbauernf/PeugeotGeopolis400#)
http://picasaweb.google.com/dbauernf/2852008PeugeotSatelis500# (http://picasaweb.google.com/dbauernf/2852008PeugeotSatelis500#)
2. As I said, the gaskets you have to change and other "small items" cost as much as the kit costs... and also, the work is not done by itself, you have to pay for it.
When you sum it all up, you might as well have purchased 150 cc in the first place and it would be much more reliable than aftermarket kit about which you know close to nothing in terms of quality control and assurance.
My mechanic uses a small file in order to remove/cut the metal debris that was not adequately processed in the kit factory...
Also, when you install "a kit" the first thing that goes down the drain is stock crankshaft.
It happened to me when I had 2 stroke NRG 72 cc kit. It was going like hell until one day stock crankshaft broke.
It is not made to support 50 % more hp (or 100 % in my case).
I was talking about the original kymco parts that make the 150cc engine..
If the crankshaft is the same (and it could be, since it's only ~1ks more powerfull), it might last just as long,
OR I missed Agility 150 reviews somewhere that say it's not as reliable as the 125.
Anyways, not that important really, I'd never do it, I'd rather get the People 200.
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I'm not sure I followed the thread correctly. As for increasing cc's I like the idea of custom matching parts. That is the whole joy in doing the mod to begin with. Kymco has the strongest crank shafts you can buy. There are prettier set-ups, but none stronger. I considered buying a basket case 125cc to install the engine in my zx/50, but after alot of soul searching I decided that would be cheating. If you compare mileage from a stock 50cc, and a modified 125cc their is an obvious loss. If you compare the modified 125 (50cc base) to a stock 125 the loss is MUCH less, but the performance is thru the roof. I believe it is more fun, and you have a better feel for your scoot if you customize vs bolt on. I guess if I wanted a Harley, I would have bought a Harley. I want a scoot that can beat a Harley.
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I want a scoot that can beat a Harley.
That should be easy.
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That should be easy.
I do it all the time, up to about 50mph that is! ;D I had a CBR1000RR that was getting so frustrated he couldn't keep up in traffic! I was laughing the whole time! He had a girl on the back too, made him look like a fool! ;D
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That should be easy.
...sigh.......
..not me... :-\ >:( :( :P
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Gotta get a 2-stroke! Torquey little buggers! ;)
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Total agreement w/ all of you! Sorry slinger....
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...it takes several things happening, all at the same time, for me to run over 50mph...
..gotta be going down somewhat of a decline..gotta have a good tail-wind..it helps to be in a line of traffic..road must be dry...no spray screwin' around with my air filter..
..dang....
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Did some exhaust work to see how it'll hold up..
I posted this somewhere else, here's the c/p w/ gallery:
New 3" of snow over the night.. we haven't had this much snow here in
10 years.. so.. off to the garage to "fix" the rust issue on the exhaust!
This is really the only part of the scoot that shows it's ever been used,
so I hit it with my limited skills, limited tools and a can of cheap exhaust
spray paint!
I just painted the last few inches to see how the color will change over time
so I know where and when to respray it again.
Pics!
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Did some exhaust work to see how it'll hold up..
I posted this somewhere else, here's the c/p w/ gallery:
Faded color in a month, back to rust in 3 months.
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Faded color in a month, back to rust in 3 months.
Yeah, probably, but I had over half a can left from previous scoot that needed
it twice/month so 3 months doesn't sound bad at all.
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Yeah, probably, but I had over half a can left from previous scoot that needed
it twice/month so 3 months doesn't sound bad at all.
There is always option to simply give up.
I spray my exhaust cans once every summer in 4-5 layers and do not car what happens meanwhile.
I see that is already above standards of other scooter users because they are mostly rusty.
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There is always option to simply give up.
I spray my exhaust cans once every summer in 4-5 layers and do not car what happens meanwhile.
I see that is already above standards of other scooter users because they are mostly rusty.
Not spraying it at all will probably result in holes sooner or later and it looks fugly.
We'll see how often this one will need it, if it's not too often I'll do it.. but I'm tired of spraying
the can every 2 weeks on my other scoot.
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If you run the engine until it is hot the paint will "BURN" into the metal, and tend to last a little longer. I heat my cylinder in the oven to 225 degrees, and like axy said about once a year.
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If you run the engine until it is hot the paint will "BURN" into the metal, and tend to last a little longer. I heat my cylinder in the oven to 225 degrees, and like axy said about once a year.
How much time to completely remove the exhaust?
If it takes less time then doing what I did, masking half of the bike, I'd rather do
that, plus I can paint it a lot better that way.
Multiple coats don't help?
Re: Heat.. the spray paint I got actually says it should be applied to a cold and clean
exhaust, but it just might be a precaution because it's flammable.
I actually sprayed the old scooter's exhaust when it was hot every now and then and
it was fine, but didn't last that long. Never got around to taking it completely off and
doing multiple layers though.
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Not spraying it at all will probably result in holes sooner or later and it looks fugly.
I have never seen a scoot exhaust can with a hole in it.
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How much time to completely remove the exhaust?
If you have the tools ready, around one minute.
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Your exhaust is easy enough to take off, but I wouldn't unless you were removing the tire or jug. There is either a compression seal or a gasket on the ex. manifold tha will last forever if you don't mess w/ it or leak always if you do. This is the paint I use http://www.vhtpaint.com/flameproof.html (http://www.vhtpaint.com/flameproof.html) A toilet tissue roll will allow you to focus the spray so you will not have to remove the pipe unless you want to. Now just to qualify the low maintenance aspect; If you bought the BEST/TOP OF THE LINE?/ STAINLESS STEEL exhaust money could buy... Wouldn't you be out there EVERY time you rode... POLISHING? Same w/ a steel pipe MAINTAIN! Axy, I have three nc/50 pipes that have rusted thru, and need downtubes for the header. Granted they are ALL 80's vintage. Though the mufflers are in perfect shape.
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Should regularly derusting/cleaning the muffler be a standard part of maintenance for every scooter? I've never heard that talked about before. The muffler on my 2008 Piaggio does look a little rusty...
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There is either a compression seal or a gasket on the ex. manifold tha will last forever if you don't mess w/ it or leak always if you do.
Such a seal or gasket between exhaust manifold and the exhaust pipe is pretty much part of every car`s exhaust assembly, but there is no gasket/seal on Kymcos, neither on any Piaggio (NRG or Beverly) I ever had. You just "plug" the pipe into the manifold and secure it with two bolts, you can do it with your fingers because the bolts are "long head" type. The same for Agility and People.
Strange, but that`s how it is.
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I have an after-market exhaust that does have a fiber gasket on the manifold. Here's the paint I use. I would also suggest a toilet tissue tube to direct the spray, and eliminate over spray. Use a few of them as they will start to drip.
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Yeah, probably, but I had over half a can left from previous scoot that needed
it twice/month so 3 months doesn't sound bad at all.
Try it out, but essentialy, it's a waste of time and money.
I sprayed all of my scooters' cans from the moment they started rusting - this spray, that spray, sanding and grinding - nothing really helps, they always rust, no matter the make of the scooter and build quality.
Leave it as it is, nothing bad will happen to the scoot, except your vanity will be a bit hurt. ;)
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You can always slip on after market stainless steel can. :)
They do not rust, but leave a hole in the wallet.
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You can always slip on after market stainless steel can. :)
They do not rust, but leave a hole in the wallet.
..and in the acceleration ;D
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...it's really just common sense...bare metal oxidizes...rusts...rusty metal deteriorates...painting bare metal slows this process...
..to me, vanity or not, it's a no-brainer...
peace
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F Yeah, It's about time SOMEONE said it! What's that Elephant doing in the room?