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Title: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: SeanOaloha on November 06, 2009, 02:11:54 AM
I was wondering if you guys out there with the newer agility 50cc's do you ever hear and feel a change in idle when you press the brake at a stop? I get a pretty substancial change, does that mean that my idle needs to be adjusted?? The idle is a little high right away in the morning but I warm it up until the idle speed goes down on its own, then the idle sounds sweet.
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: Shaka on November 06, 2009, 02:56:01 AM
I'm assuming that the drops?  That's probably due to the extra power draw to turn on your brake lights.  I notice that on my zx50 occasionally.  It probably doesn't need to be adjusted unless the motor dies as a result. 
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: SeanOaloha on November 06, 2009, 05:06:53 AM
Mine actually seems to pick up or get stronger feeling and sounding, not higher rev but louder!!
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: Shaka on November 06, 2009, 05:17:40 AM
That's interesting!  I don't have any ideas for that one! ???
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: wordslinger on November 06, 2009, 11:47:39 AM
...wow...i'm in the dark...
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: zombie on November 06, 2009, 04:43:12 PM
From the way you explain that, I would suggest you are adding more SOLID MASS to the frame when you apply the brake. The tire /wheel are basicly floating untill the brake pads make a mechanical bond to the rest of the frame. I think you are simply getting a different resonation due to more mass...
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: wordslinger on November 06, 2009, 06:03:43 PM
From the way you explain that, I would suggest you are adding more SOLID MASS to the frame when you apply the brake. The tire /wheel are basicly floating untill the brake pads make a mechanical bond to the rest of the frame. I think you are simply getting a different resonation due to more mass...

...dang...pulled that one out your ass, didn't y' zombie... ;D
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: jmccoach on November 06, 2009, 06:58:31 PM
I have a super 8 150 and noticed this also but only when I brake with the left brake. I tried each one separate and it only happens on the left (rear) brake while stopped at a light/stop sign.

My thought was since you need to hold the left brake when starting and it has an automatic choke, it is this automatic choke that I notice. What do you think?
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: wordslinger on November 06, 2009, 08:06:07 PM
I have a super 8 150 and noticed this also but only when I brake with the left brake. I tried each one separate and it only happens on the left (rear) brake while stopped at a light/stop sign.

My thought was since you need to hold the left brake when starting and it has an automatic choke, it is this automatic choke that I notice. What do you think?

..the A50 has the Auto-bystarter, but once everything is warmed up, it shouldn't come into play...

..wonder if the brakelight wiring is crossed up whith the A/B wiring....
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: zombie on November 06, 2009, 08:32:57 PM
Still thinking it's a MASS deal... If it were the choke on a warm engine at idle I'm sure it would stall
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: wordslinger on November 06, 2009, 08:37:15 PM
..yeah, you're probably right...say, are you catholic??..

..all this preachin' about MASS...

 ??? :D
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: codger78 on November 06, 2009, 09:25:44 PM
Could it be that the noise you left behind is finally catching up to you  ;D ?
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: wordslinger on November 06, 2009, 09:26:52 PM
Could it be that the noise you left behind is finally catching up to you  ;D ?

....lmfao.... ;D :D :) :o ;D
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: zombie on November 06, 2009, 10:46:25 PM
Axy got me into touching the screen... Can I get an AAAAMMMMEEEENNNN. Just another thought, Maybe the rubber engine mounts (isolaters) are worn. This may decrease the spiritual aspect. Still like the mass idea.
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: wordslinger on November 06, 2009, 10:47:32 PM
..i dunno..i think itsa new scoot...
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: zombie on November 06, 2009, 10:56:13 PM
MASS IRIDIUM HA HA HA MASS IRIDIUM AAAAHHH!
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: wordslinger on November 06, 2009, 11:00:11 PM
...sounds like an awesome name for a rock band...MASS IRIDIUM
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: zombie on November 06, 2009, 11:13:30 PM
I can play a MEAN drum machine!
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: SeanOaloha on November 07, 2009, 12:12:29 AM
no offense but can we get back to the subject about this......can I put a sound bite or video on this forum?? then we can really find out what it is, I was riding today and felt it again( only left brake). It sounds like its pretty rough on the engine but it doesnt seem like it wants to die either!!
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: zombie on November 07, 2009, 01:13:20 AM
Sorry for the mental lapse. I can only give a few guesses, Perhaps the brake cable when taught is hitting a panel, or the frame. Maybe the belt "flapping" inside the cvt. If you are sitting still, can you make it happen each time you apply the rear brake? If so I would have someone else apply the brake, and inspect/ touch everything involved. I am thinking you have a harmonic problem more than a mechanical prob. If the scoot is DEAD still, there is nothing I know of that ties the brake to the engine that would create a drain on the engine running. If the scoot has to roll SLIGHTLY to create the symptom, perhaps you have a bad return spring in the clutch. This would give a slight shudder upon stopping!
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: SeanOaloha on November 07, 2009, 03:15:53 AM
thank you i will keep ya posted!!
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: zombie on November 07, 2009, 04:23:12 PM
MASS IRIDIUM...
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: wordslinger on November 08, 2009, 11:48:02 AM
MASS IRIDIUM...

..how'd the "iridium" get over here anyway...that was on the other thread....

 ??? ;D
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: SeanOaloha on November 08, 2009, 05:37:44 PM
Mass IRIDIUM is all-powerful and can move freely from thread to thread, where will it show up next?!?!?
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: wordslinger on November 08, 2009, 05:56:09 PM
MASS IRIDIUM...

MASS IRIDIUM

..AWESOME name for a rock band...


..i already said that already, didn i...
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: zombie on November 08, 2009, 09:39:19 PM
Thanks sean...You gave me an Idea. MMMAAASSS IIIRRRIIIDDDIIIUUUMMM   AAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAaaaaaaaggg...
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: wordslinger on November 08, 2009, 09:40:14 PM
..you chokin' zombie??...you OK??..

 ???
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: SeanOaloha on November 08, 2009, 10:16:12 PM
you guys need more time on your scooters, and less time on the forum!!!j/k
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: zombie on November 08, 2009, 10:54:05 PM
I'm posting from my cell phone on the scooter right nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Opps! Sorry Lady, I'll pay for that! Where was I?
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: wordslinger on November 09, 2009, 12:13:49 PM
you guys need more time on your scooters, and less time on the forum!!!j/k

...awwman, we can't be doom and gloom all the time...

 :o ;D :D :) :P :o
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: dirtyd on November 22, 2009, 09:51:35 PM
My Agility 50 does this same thing.  I agree with Zombie when he says it's just a different sound to the vibration of your scoot!
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: flextrainer on November 22, 2009, 11:44:26 PM
I figure it is just you feeling the vibration more since pulling the brake pulls the trans/wheel tighter to the frame.
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: SeanOaloha on November 23, 2009, 12:42:23 AM
thanxs guys!!
that is probably it......I just installed a homemade camera mount, hopefully gonna get some vid online soon, what is the best way to upload a big file to the forum??
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: zombie on November 23, 2009, 04:44:33 AM
I saw how slinger, and jpres did it by uploading to utube, and providing a link
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: SeanOaloha on November 23, 2009, 11:48:13 AM
Please tell me if this works,  Kymco Agility 50cc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42Pbyq0cgA8#normal)    A little showing off the scooter when I first bought it!!
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: Calothrix on November 23, 2009, 05:47:54 PM
It works! :)
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: zombie on November 24, 2009, 01:50:54 PM
Works just fine, I got all excited when it looked like you were going for a ride! thought you would hit the house for a moment!
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: SeanOaloha on November 25, 2009, 03:07:35 AM
Sooorrryy, next time!! No, that was a test video, I am still working out the kinks in my homemade camera mount, then I will put some Hawaii cruisin' on here. I got some really good footage while cruisin the Hilo Bay but too shaky!!
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: zombie on November 25, 2009, 03:21:42 AM
Try to get us footage of you outrunning a lava flow! I can see the add now;    Kymco...Faster than mother......Well you know who!
Title: Re: change in idle while holding brake in
Post by: wordslinger on December 06, 2009, 09:21:42 PM
Please tell me if this works,  Kymco Agility 50cc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42Pbyq0cgA8#normal)    A little showing off the scooter when I first bought it!!

..cool...looks exactly like mine!!!!..until I painted it..lol..

..I velcro and taped my cam to the front of my helmet...lol..

peace