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Scooters - 125 to 300 => LIKE 200i => Topic started by: tortoise on December 06, 2014, 05:10:59 PM
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$2,700 Sym Fiddle III 200i (http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/article/lance-sym-highlights-three-new-rides) . . one attribute is the no-knee-poking more vertical ignition key orientation
(http://www.dealernews.com/sites/www.dealernews.com/files/images/SYM-fiddle-iii3WEB.jpg)
$2,700 Kymco Like 200i (http://www.kymcousa.com/showroom/scooters/like200i/index.html)
(http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201312/kymco-like-200i-10_600x0w.jpg)
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$2,700 Sym Fiddle III 200i (http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/article/lance-sym-highlights-three-new-rides) . . one attribute is the no-knee-poking more vertical ignition key orientation
(http://www.dealernews.com/sites/www.dealernews.com/files/images/SYM-fiddle-iii3WEB.jpg)
$2,700 Kymco Like 200i (http://www.kymcousa.com/showroom/scooters/like200i/index.html)
(http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201312/kymco-like-200i-10_600x0w.jpg)
The SYM will destroy the underpowered Like.
Be Big,
AMAC
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Seat looks mighty thin where it counts and has the same dreaded hump. Wonder what the CCs are, folks get lowballed on the Like w/only 163cc.
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Seat looks mighty thin where it counts and has the same dreaded hump. Wonder what the CCs are, folks get lowballed on the Like w/only 163cc.
At first I thought it had the SYM 171 liquid cooled kicker. If it did it would be a beast but......
It appears to be air called and that changes things. They went half way. Added FI but no liquid cooling.
Be Big,
AMAC
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At first I thought it had the SYM 171 liquid cooled kicker. If it did it would be a beast but......
It appears to be air called and that changes things. They went half way. Added FI but no liquid cooling.
Be Big,
AMAC
Aircooled might be old engineering - and probably leaves a few HP on the table compared to liquid cooled engines of the same cc's - but as an old VW enthusiast - I absolutely prefer the simplicity of upkeep and reliability of a well made aircooled engine - so many fewer things to screw up or leak or parts to buy! The savings in parts helps keep the price down for the dealer - but he need make no apologies for the A/C engine to me! It was a + selling point to me for the LIKE200i.
I think this might send Kymco back to the table to re-vamp the LIKE - but in living with my LIKE I've come to really appreciate the handsome lines drawn by that Italian house.
SYM makes a very fine product and this is a nice looking scooter - but parts and dealers remains a sticking point for many in certain areas of the USA.
I love my LIKE - but I whish it were made in Taiwan (probably just a mental failing in me, still...)
Wonder if this new SYM continues the pattern of being made in Taiwan?
Shoot - who knows?....my Forza is made in Thailand - not even Taiwan - Thailand !!- for an old V. vet that's taken some getting used to, for reasons I can't articulate.
But, as one poster here stated....the guy who designed the LIKE's seat should be set on fire!
Thanks for the info on the new SYM , you guys.
Stig
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Aircooled might be old engineering - and probably leaves a few HP on the table compared to liquid cooled engines of the same cc's - but as an old VW enthusiast - I absolutely prefer the simplicity of upkeep and reliability of a well made aircooled engine - so many fewer things to screw up or leak or parts to buy! The savings in parts helps keep the price down for the dealer - but he need make no apologies for the A/C engine to me! It was a + selling point to me for the LIKE200i.
I think this might send Kymco back to the table to re-vamp the LIKE - but in living with my LIKE I've come to really appreciate the handsome lines drawn by that Italian house.
SYM makes a very fine product and this is a nice looking scooter - but parts and dealers remains a sticking point for many in certain areas of the USA.
I love my LIKE - but I whish it were made in Taiwan (probably just a mental failing in me, still...)
Wonder if this new SYM continues the pattern of being made in Taiwan?
Shoot - who knows?....my Forza is made in Thailand - not even Taiwan - Thailand !!- for an old V. vet that's taken some getting used to, for reasons I can't articulate.
But, as one poster here stated....the guy who designed the LIKE's seat should be set on fire!
Thanks for the info on the new SYM , you guys.
Stig
I feel the same about other things, like ABS....... ;D
Be Big,
AMAC
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The SYM will destroy the underpowered Like.
Unlikely when both have a very similar power output.
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Month ago I had the chance to testride and compare the Like 200i and the Sym Fiddle II 125 directly and parallel with a friend.
There were many things I liked better on the Fiddle II than on the Like 200i.
BUT there was ONE decisive all overruling gamechanger: The Brakes....
The Front Disk Brake of the Fiddle II is a Mickey Mouse Joke. Obviously the same Joke on the Fiddle III. And the rear drum brake is not even close to a joke, because of it´s nearly zero impact...(My simple stupid Bycicle Rim-Breaks are better)
(Sym) Folks, I will never ever ever ever ever in my Life buy a bike with weak breaks. Never - ever!.
Case closed.
The brakes of the Like are fantastic and model! :-)
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Month ago I had the chance to testride and compare the Like 200i and the Sym Fiddle II 125 directly and parallel with a friend.
There were many things I liked better on the Fiddle II than on the Like 200i.
BUT there was ONE decisive all overruling gamechanger: The Brakes....
The Front Disk Brake of the Fiddle II is a Mickey Mouse Joke. Obviously the same Joke on the Fiddle III. And the rear drum brake is not even close to a joke, because of it´s nearly zero impact...(My simple stupid Bycicle Rim-Breaks are better)
(Sym) Folks, I will never ever ever ever ever in my Life buy a bike with weak breaks. Never - ever!.
Case closed.
The brakes of the Like are fantastic and model! :-)
Robo,
I was looking at the disc on the front of the SYM....and wondered why it is not as visible in the spokes of the LIKE front wheel.
Is it that much smaller than the LIKE?
And, yes. The LIKE has brakes that require very little 'pull' to bring the rider to a quick stop....
The adventure is trying to stay on the seat when you give the levers a firm pull!
Compared to my Forza (nearly 200 lbs heavier than the LIKE) the LIKE's brakes feel like 'power brakes' on an automobile.
Again, seeing those 2 discs down there were a selling point for me with the purchase of the LIKE. (no test rides avail. at my dealer - so had to rely on appearances!)
Stig
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Unlikely when both have a very similar power output.
Please see my reply #3.
Be Big,
AMAC
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I had a Kawi klr 650 made in Thailand. Great bike no quality issues what so ever.
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"The current King of Thailand, His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej (Rama IX) is the ninth Thai king from the House of Chakri, which has ruled Thailand since the founding of Bangkok by King Phutthayotfa Chulalok (Rama I) in 1782. H.M. King Bhumibol was born in Massachusetts, USA while his father, who did not serve as King of Thailand, was attending Harvard University. H.M. Bhumibol ascended the throne as King of Thailand in 1946 following the death of his brother and has since attained the distinction of being the world’s longest reigning monarch and the longest reigning Thai King in Thailand’s history. "
They want the Yankee Dollar, and know how to get it.
Not dis-respecting Thailand at all either. They are a country that can, and will do whatever it takes to survive the global market. Much the same as South Korea, and Taiwan.
I guess they are the Asian, Mexicans... ::)
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1 scoot I like for various reasons is the Super 8 150. Like the looks and the bigger wheels. Sym has a good reputation but dealers here are hard to come by to check out stuff.
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"The current King of Thailand, His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej (Rama IX) is the ninth Thai king from the House of Chakri, which has ruled Thailand since the founding of Bangkok by King Phutthayotfa Chulalok (Rama I) in 1782. H.M. King Bhumibol was born in Massachusetts, USA while his father, who did not serve as King of Thailand, was attending Harvard University. H.M. Bhumibol ascended the throne as King of Thailand in 1946 following the death of his brother and has since attained the distinction of being the world’s longest reigning monarch and the longest reigning Thai King in Thailand’s history. "
They want the Yankee Dollar, and know how to get it.
Not dis-respecting Thailand at all either. They are a country that can, and will do whatever it takes to survive the global market. Much the same as South Korea, and Taiwan.
I guess they are the Asian, Mexicans... ::)
Copy and paste for history knowledge is cheating, nuff said!
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That's why the "quotes" are there.
I couldn't even make a convincing argument as to what happened in my house yesterday, never mind some silly country 1/2 way to the moon from here.
I'm not THAT bright. ;)
Ps... After the quotes is all me. (just to avoid any confusion)
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A lot of folks look to you for advice, can't hide the truth.
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It's too hard keeping track of all the lies... I just go w/ the flow, and let my fingers post.
I'm composing an Opera for my daughter, and working out the math for Honda's hydro/magnetic engine while my fingers are talking to you...
Cool stuff!
It was much easier when Axy was around cause I only used one finger to respond to him. I almost had "black hole binding" sorted but he left, and I got distracted by some shiny thing.
Speaking of which... I lost that thing too. Damn...
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Robo,
Is it that much smaller than the LIKE?
Stig
Yes, the front disc of the fiddle is way smaller and thinner than on the Like. Unfortunately. The impact is not toooo lousy bad though on the front, but still not really trustful enough for me. I am a sporty driver. Don´t want to end up in the back of a pickup truck because of a cracked overstressed brake disc.
But the rear drum brake is really dangerous and does not earn the term "brake".
If Sym was willing to work on their brakes, well then I might get weak...
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Yes, the front disc of the fiddle is way smaller and thinner than on the Like. Unfortunately. The impact is not toooo lousy bad though on the front, but still not really trustful enough for me. I am a sporty driver. Don´t want to end up in the back of a pickup truck because of a cracked overstressed brake disc.
But the rear drum brake is really dangerous and does not earn the term "brake".
If Sym was willing to work on their brakes, well then I might get weak...
I don't do engineering by looking at pictures. I'll wait till I can ride one before I trash it.
I've ridden the Like and don't care for it just as I didn't care for my People s200. Both are nice city scooters that have no business with a 200 cc tag on it.
I see that SYM wants to be the next with an underpowered 200 class scooter. I can understand Kymcos Like being what to is with the old 163cc under the seat. SYM has no excuse. They have a solid 171cc in the stable but chose to cheap out on this scoot.
As far as drums on the back not my cup of tea but Honda has done it on the PCX for years and that scoot sells and buyers love it.
Be Big,
AMAC
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"SYM/Lance scaled up the fuel-injected Fiddle III to 200cc from the Fiddle II’s 125cc. For handling the SYM offers both front and rear discs and the tires have been scaled up from the Fiddle II’s 10 inch hoops to a more reassuring 12 inch tire size." . . source (http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/article/lance-sym-highlights-three-new-rides).
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Perhaps a Taiwan Golden Bee (http://www.tgb.com.tw/) contender . . if the floor hump is acceptable.
they will be bringing the Bellavita 300 over [to USA] within the next 8 months . . source (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ca04c705e158f3f7e84a5e8612f30c95&t=1048507)
Liquid cooled; EFI, 263.7 cc, disc/disc, 12in/12 in . . related discussion (http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic110258).
(http://members.modernvespa.net/gtdohc/uploads/tgb_bellavita_300i_08_174.jpg)
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Perhaps a Taiwan Golden Bee (http://www.tgb.com.tw/) contender . . if the floor hump is acceptable.
Liquid cooled; EFI, 263.7 cc, disc/disc, 12in/12 in . . related discussion (http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic110258).
(http://members.modernvespa.net/gtdohc/uploads/tgb_bellavita_300i_08_174.jpg)
I saw that on another forum. could be an interesting scoot here.
Be Big,
AMAC
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I believe that the TGB Bellavita is powered by the same SYM engine that is used in the Citycom 300i.