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Scooters - Big Bore => Xciting 500 => Topic started by: htcneil2 on November 19, 2014, 10:00:58 PM
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So i just ordered a 165/60r 14 car tire for my xciting.
I hope it fits! If not i was made aware of another size that would definitely fit.
I'll keep ya'll posted.
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I for one can not wait to see it. How cool is that!
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Because you don't like going around corners?
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Ever ride an old school drag bike? Lean an inch, and raise up 6.
My brother flop/flop/flopped from ridge to ridge before launching himself maybe 15 feet into the air. STRAIGHT UP!
He didn't get hurt bad so it was pretty funny. WestHampton Raceway about 50 feet off the start line.
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I never have, but i don't like those tires on ruckuses. One thing on a drag bike but why would you want to kill your handling on a scooter? That's what makes scooters fun, being agile.
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That's where we differ. I like the ragged edge, can barley turn in the parking lot kinda bike. I also like 26" rims on chevy bubbles but much more on boxes.
Just a matter of taste is all.
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Box
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DONK
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Because you don't like going around corners?
Do you have an Xciting? It really doesnt do that well. Thats why I got a TMAX and an Xt225 for.
The Xciting is my highway commuter bike. It has over 55000 miles on it. How many tires do you think ive gone through?
This isnt a new concept. BUT maybe for the Xciting it is.
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I never have, but i don't like those tires on ruckuses. One thing on a drag bike but why would you want to kill your handling on a scooter? That's what makes scooters fun, being agile.
Do you have an xciting? Its not that great in the twisties.
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Personally I'm a hardtail/Bias ply kinda guy. I think the idea is spot on.
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Do you have an xciting? Its not that great in the twisties.
I don't own an Xciting, but have driven them many times and think it handles pretty well for a heavy scoot. I didn't mean to shoot down your idea, and would be stoked to see it installed. To each their own, no offence meant.
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I think what everybody is saying and I did work for a major tire manufacturer is that the cross section on an auto tire is not the same as a cycle tire. The tread is on the bottom and normally has sharper corners. A cycle tire has a round cross section because two wheels lean when turning whereas four don't and that's why there is usually squealing on high speed turns. Further...Cycle tires are a lower durometer (softer) rubber for better traction whether straight, stopping or turning. That's why they wear out faster.
Now if you are going to Drag race your Xciting in a straight line you may be ok. Besides that, your center of gravity is higher and that can only accelerate problems. This is not to say that I have seen Motorcycles with Auto type tires. Let us know how this works out for you.....
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Who makes that size car tire? I did not know anyone made them that narrow? Do u think it will fit? :-*
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Can-am. There I said it.
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Had one (car tire) on my 07X-500, loved it, no problems, good ride, had over 20000 miles on it before I changed it, don't remember the size.
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Finally got it installed. Its raining right now, ill give it a try tomorrow.
Its 165/60r14 it seems to fit alright and clears all hard parts.
Ill give an update soon.
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Awesome! I hope it look as unique as I imagine it does.
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We are all waiting excitedly..Be sure to tell us how it rides and handles...
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Just a hint...
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Is that you in the picture zombie? Remember, racing and drinking does not mix! ;) :) :D ;D :-*
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LOL... That one is Vivo. He's the drinker. I'm the Glaucoma free portion of the party. (up the stairs to the back bedroom)
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LOL... That one is Vivo. He's the drinker. I'm the Glaucoma free portion of the party. (up the stairs to the back bedroom)
Hahaha ;)
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So took it out for about 200 miles this weekend, and I am very pleased.
regarding handling, yes you got to counter steer and hold the bar of course on sweepers. Check out those chicken strips. Haha
Anyways, went on a highway jaunt, and then to some twisties we call Racers Road.
still managed to scrape the centerstand while leaning like usual so this modification is a true upgrade four the touring/commuter type.
Again, usually when scraping hardparts thats usually my limit and again it did that fine.
its a 165/60r14 75H. Ill keep this post updated.
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I think what everybody is saying and I did work for a major tire manufacturer is that the cross section on an auto tire is not the same as a cycle tire. The tread is on the bottom and normally has sharper corners. A cycle tire has a round cross section because two wheels lean when turning whereas four don't and that's why there is usually squealing on high speed turns. Further...Cycle tires are a lower durometer (softer) rubber for better traction whether straight, stopping or turning. That's why they wear out faster.
Now if you are going to Drag race your Xciting in a straight line you may be ok. Besides that, your center of gravity is higher and that can only accelerate problems. This is not to say that I have seen Motorcycles with Auto type tires. Let us know how this works out for you.....
I was taking 45-55mph sweepers at 70-75. No issues. Felt very planted.
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Who makes that size car tire? I did not know anyone made them that narrow? Do u think it will fit? :-*
It fits. Formoza.
Like u I have a lot of miles on my Xciting. Which means you know how to ride. You ought to try it.
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The look is everything I expected, the review is great to hear, and I believe you may have sparked a revolution here. The practicality aspect is stellar. I can see quite a few new believers.
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That tire looks like it was made for your scooter--good job.
Sam:)
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Congratulations...It really does look functional and not what I expected. Can you tell us the Brand?
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Congratulations...It really does look functional and not what I expected. Can you tell us the Brand?
Formoza,
and its is functional. Its like having a new bike again really.
No more changing my tires 4 times a year
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Looks allot better than I would have thought. I'm right at 55,000 miles on my X500, and just put on front and rear a new set of Michelin city grips. I will see how long the rear last. Please keep us updated as to mileage, handling, wear etc. 99% of my riding is touring. I really don't care about cornering and such as most other riders would. But I don't want an evil handling bike either. If something like this could get 40,000 or more per tire, I'm in! Between the cost of buying the tire, purchasing ride on tire sealant, and then pay to have it installed, it really adds up. So changing tires every 5-8,000 miles is a pain in the azzz, and is certainly not cheap. WHAT MAKE AND MODEL OF TIRE IS THIS? AND HOW MANY MILES IS IT SUPPOSED TO LAST? :-*
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Looks allot better than I would have thought. I'm right at 55,000 miles on my X500, and just put on front and rear a new set of Michelin city grips. I will see how long the rear last. Please keep us updated as to mileage, handling, wear etc. 99% of my riding is touring. I really don't care about cornering and such as most other riders would. But I don't want an evil handling bike either. If something like this could get 40,000 or more per tire, I'm in! Between the cost of buying the tire, purchasing ride on tire sealant, and then pay to have it installed, it really adds up. So changing tires every 5-8,000 miles is a pain in the azzz, and is certainly not cheap. WHAT MAKE AND MODEL OF TIRE IS THIS? AND HOW MANY MILES IS IT SUPPOSED TO LAST? :-*
its a federal formoza 165/60r14 75H
I never really looked how many miles, I tried just now with no luck to find out. I think anything over 15000Miles Ive done well. It'll likely take me about a year to do that becuase I have other rides. Likely will get > 20000.
Have any of you ever changed your own tire on an Xciting 500???
Remove exhaust sheild
loosen o rinf clamp
Remove Cannister
Remove Caliper
Remove bolt holding shock to swingarm
Remove Swingarm
Remove Shock
Remove Tire
Its more than your average motorcycle or scooter. Luckily i have all the tools to do it. If you pay someone to do it, its worth it, but my guys usually charge $40-$50 to remove and mount.
I'll spend only $15 to get the tire mounted, i'll put on bike myself.
Its actually fun to ride now. I'm gonna eliminate some fender so i can look at it!!!
Who's next to join the Darkside!!!
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LOL... Nice!
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How many psi did it take to seat the bead?
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Good question... The answer will tell a lot about the fit.
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Did you notice any difference in rolling resistance going down the highway? It seems with a foot wide contact patch going straight would significantly increase friction when the bike is upright. I'm not a hater, and give you props for trying something no one else thought of with the Xciting. Motorcycles and scooters eat the living piss out of tires. On my 3.5x10 gy6 wheelie bike I would go thru rear tires in less than 2000 miles because of wheelies.
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How many psi did it take to seat the bead?
I couldnt tell ya. My tire guy did it. Took awhile though.
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Did you notice any difference in rolling resistance going down the highway? It seems with a foot wide contact patch going straight would significantly increase friction when the bike is upright. I'm not a hater, and give you props for trying something no one else thought of with the Xciting. Motorcycles and scooters eat the living piss out of tires. On my 3.5x10 gy6 wheelie bike I would go thru rear tires in less than 2000 miles because of wheelies.
Over 400 mostly highway miles in and no issues. Rides like a charm.
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Over 400 mostly highway miles in and no issues. Rides like a charm.
Nice :)
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On my bike it took a bunch of, probably over 100 psi.
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Tl which did you darkside?
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Honda Magna 750 motorcycle
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Formoza,
and its is functional. Its like having a new bike again really.
No more changing my tires 4 times a year
Help me understand this....please.
You seem to be saying that your scooter handles (corners?) so much better with that trailer tire mounted compared to the purpose-made scooter tire that it now feels like a new and improved scooter?!?
Maybe I'm missing something here. I can possibly imagine better mileage....but better handling?
Stig
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Just to add 2 cents... It is a Radial tire, and therefore made to allow deflection of the interface between the sidewall, and the tread.In essence becoming a round footprint on the edge that is in contact.
Some PSI adjustments may have to be made to optimize this effect but it is built into the tire.
You could never make a claim of improved handling or even similar handling w/ a Bias ply tire. THEY stay square.
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Help me understand this....please.
You seem to be saying that your scooter handles (corners?) so much better with that trailer tire mounted compared to the purpose-made scooter tire that it now feels like a new and improved scooter?!?
Maybe I'm missing something here. I can possibly imagine better mileage....but better handling?
Stig
I never said it handled better. Lets be real, the Xciting handles like a pig with a pirelli diablo. No real lean angle can be made without scraping hard parts.
I never said it was better, but it is different. Like its a new bike. Which i like. I do know that slow turns it turns in easier and i am more confident and am taking sharper u turns for sure. I can feel the front tire turn in easier probably becuase of the shape of the rear tire. In sweepers i can still take the same sweepers i usually do and it scrapes hard parts still.
Just cause it handles like a pig doesnt mean i dont love my kymco. Its been quite reliable after almost 60000 miles and to me is still pretty to look at. It does commuting in Houston and i dig it.
Would i take it to the twisted sisters and run hard, no, but itll do well getting me there to enjoy the ride.
I think its bad ass im the first to go Darkside. Shouldve done it sooner.
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So...The question remains: Will it indeed last many more miles than a regular scooter tire ? We are hoping you will keep updating this. Because all aside, I think it looks neat.
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Can the bike stand upright without anyone on it now?
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-*
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Is the tire taller or shorter than the stock 150/70-14 tire? I would not like to be running at higher RPM's on the frwy than I am now! Yes I have taken off my rear tire several times in my 55,000 plus miles. Not hard to do, but time consuming. Top shock bolt is the hardest part to do. When putting tire back on, replace top shock bolt first. Then you can use a long wrench or screw driver to lift rear tire to get hole lined up so bolt will slide right right in. :-*
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Is the tire taller or shorter than the stock 150/70-14 tire? I would not like to be running at higher RPM's on the frwy than I am now! Yes I have taken off my rear tire several times in my 55,000 plus miles. Not hard to do, but time consuming. Top shock bolt is the hardest part to do. When putting tire back on, replace top shock bolt first. Then you can use a long wrench or screw driver to lift rear tire to get hole lined up so bolt will slide right right in. :-*
Let me know what speeds u would like me to check at.
Im all stock
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55&65 please. :-*
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That's not really a valid question or response (when it comes).
We all know the gauges vary. 10% is the accepted norm.
Try looking up the tire at the Manuf. sites to compare the rolling rate over a mile. That will give a precise answer.
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If the tire is shorter/smaller, it will spin faster and raise RPM. And an increased RPM means less gas mileage. Not what I want. Sure wish someone made 32-33 gram roller weights?:-*
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You can make them up yourself... Scratch up the interior w/ some 80 gritt sand paper, and add JB Weld to up the gram-ige.
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55&65 please. :-*
Using GPS
55mph= 5.2rpm
65mph= 6.2rpm
Speedo indicated it was 60mph and 71mph
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Can the bike stand upright without anyone on it now?
No it cant. The tire is actually a bit rounded.
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If the tire is shorter/smaller, it will spin faster and raise RPM. And an increased RPM means less gas mileage. Not what I want. Sure wish someone made 32-33 gram roller weights?:-*
I think the miles will more than make up for it.
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Thanks HT. Keep us up to date with regular post. :-*
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Thanks HT. Keep us up to date with regular post. :-*
How does rpm compare to the stock tire?
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Read his post on page 4 where he gives rpm at 55 & 65. Looks about the same to me, or maybe a little/tiny amount less rpm at those speeds? :-*
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Tiny less is good. It gives you room to maneuver w/ roller weight adjustments.
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Dr Pulley makes a round 31 gram roller weight in our size, (28x22-30 gram is stock). Between this tire and the 31g roller, maybe we can get the rpm's down a tad at hwy/fwy speeds. Sure would be nice, and the mileage may improve also? :-*
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Sounds like a match made in Heaven. ;D
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I was a darksiding on a Honda Reflex and loved it. I never had a problem with the rear tire. Front was a new Avon scooter tire. Back was a little larger and wider but fit it fine. Ride safe my friends.
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My Xciting is mucho fun in the twisties. Michelin City Grips in stock size. Leaning till stuff scrapes, no worries.
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How many miles on it now? Any problems so far. Is it wearing OK? What PSI do you run it at? Has your mileage changed for the better or worse? :-*
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I have rode maybe 3000 miles on it so tough to really tell you at this point.
I have other bikes i ride, and the Xciting isn't my full time ride like it used to be.
It rides well, everyone ought to try it at least once.
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Someday I'm going to put car tires on all m bikes.
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I wonder...are the reasons for darksiding the Xciting because you find that type of tire more comfortable or is it economics?
I believe a motorcycle tire is inherently softer than a car tire and is so for a reason. Having a flat on a car tire then seems less likely. With that said, I know a person who had a burgman 400 who suffered a very serious accident shortly after darksiding. He was entering a curve on what was a dry, debri-free road. That's how he remembered it when he woke up in the hospital.
I look forward to your review of how the car tire worked. I might just do this myself.
Don in KC.
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Where is the pic of it on the bike? Come on already!!!
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PICs on page 2!
however i only put like 800 miles on tire cause my enginr blew!
anyone have an engine?
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Honda Magna 750 motorcycle
Hi, what year Magna I have an 84, what tire and size?
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how about a winter tire for the softer rubber, should be close to scooter tires
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Hi, what year Magna I have an 84, what tire and size?
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Currently a 01, but have had a 94, 97 and now the 01.
150/80-15 rear
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Thanks a lot! I don't think that will fit my 84. Pretty sure the 84 is 16 or 17 in. Thanks for the reply.
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Its been a while. Can we get an up-date on how everything is going? What PSI do you run the tire at. How well is it holding up, etc. :-*
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Its been a while. Can we get an up-date on how everything is going? What PSI do you run the tire at. How well is it holding up, etc. :-*
I'm interested too. Other benefits are:
1. less chance of a flat with a steel belted car tire - one of my car tires has had a screw in it for over two years! Still holds air and I figure why fix it since I will be replacing the tires soon anyway.
2. Greater life of the rubber - I'm about to replace my car tires which are 9 years old with 43K on them! What M/C tire could ever match that?
3. In the event of a flat can be plugged and patched and still last many years.
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Update is im still looking for another engine.
again. dont hesitate. try it.
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Update is im still looking for another engine.
again. dont hesitate. try it.
Thanks for the update and good luck with the engine search. A crashed scoot is bound to appear on ebay sooner or later.
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Good to see the darkside thing, i plan on doing that with mine as well. Thanks