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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: NeoGenesisMax on August 22, 2014, 10:09:26 PM
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I replaced my helmet today. I spent an hour going around and trying on tons of helmets. I came to one conclusion. A 600 dollar helmet isn't 100 times better than a 60 dollar helmet. I can't see why sombody would pay that kind of money for a mass produced helmet. Maybe some special custom rig. I spent 140 or 160 on my last helmet. It was so so. Had a pump in it to air up the cheek pads and that sucked and broke. I bought a 60 dollar (on sale for half off) helmet and it fits better and isn't loud as hell sliding the visor up and down, plus no gimmicky air pump. Still have a secondary tinted visor too. I realize that to a point the devil is in the details but it's DOT approved and looks and feels like the rigs hundreds and hundreds of dollars more expensive.
Just like I can't understand the want or need for a bike that's thousands of ccs when a 300 will do every speed limit in the country. I don't understand why anyone would spend half a grand on a helmet.
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I replaced my helmet today. I spent an hour going around and trying on tons of helmets. I came to one conclusion. A 600 dollar helmet isn't 100 times better than a 60 dollar helmet. I can't see why sombody would pay that kind of money for a mass produced helmet. Maybe some special custom rig. I spent 140 or 160 on my last helmet. It was so so. Had a pump in it to air up the cheek pads and that sucked and broke. I bought a 60 dollar (on sale for half off) helmet and it fits better and isn't loud as hell sliding the visor up and down, plus no gimmicky air pump. Still have a secondary tinted visor too. I realize that to a point the devil is in the details but it's DOT approved and looks and feels like the rigs hundreds and hundreds of dollars more expensive.
Just like I can't understand the want or need for a bike that's thousands of ccs when a 300 will do every speed limit in the country. I don't understand why anyone would spend half a grand on a helmet. EGO SAME AS BUYING A 1/2 TON PICK UP WITH 400 HP TO DRIVE TO WORK AND HOME NO TRAILOR EVEN,.
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I replaced my helmet today. I spent an hour going around and trying on tons of helmets. I came to one conclusion. A 600 dollar helmet isn't 100 times better than a 60 dollar helmet. I can't see why sombody would pay that kind of money for a mass produced helmet. Maybe some special custom rig. I spent 140 or 160 on my last helmet. It was so so. Had a pump in it to air up the cheek pads and that sucked and broke. I bought a 60 dollar (on sale for half off) helmet and it fits better and isn't loud as hell sliding the visor up and down, plus no gimmicky air pump. Still have a secondary tinted visor too. I realize that to a point the devil is in the details but it's DOT approved and looks and feels like the rigs hundreds and hundreds of dollars more expensive.
Just like I can't understand the want or need for a bike that's thousands of ccs when a 300 will do every speed limit in the country. I don't understand why anyone would spend half a grand on a helmet.
Aw, if you had the bucks - you'd pick the best helmet, too. Price no object.
They are made of different stuff, and weigh differently.
I can never figure why people will buy a helmet on-line. EVERY helmet is a different shape in-side. You must try on many to find the one that fits you well - and wear it around the store for awhile to double check its comfort, fit and quietness.
These aren't Sunday hats,,,,these are life protectors. Brain protectors.
My buddies in the U.K. and Europe can't figure why we all need guns - when the indians haven't attacked a wagon train in months or why people would choose to own a breed of dog that kills children every month - are there no other kinds of dogs available?!
Yeah, its an ego thing...like the short-guy syndrome.
There's a lot of stuff I have trouble understanding.
Stig
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My Arai is very quiet, and gives me piece of mind going down the back straight at the track day. I have cheaper helmets too and those aren't bad for day to day commuting. My sister wears Schuberth and she finds them super comfy after trying on many other brands.
If your $60 helmet fits you well and suits you, then I feel no need to convince you otherwise. Wear what you like.
Why do people ride bikes bigger than 300 cc? Some people like effortless torque, or need to make time on really long cross country rides to reach more interesting destinations. One of my friends explained that to me when he suggested an Xciting or a VStrom over my Downtown when pulling uphill at speed. He tends to do that sort of thing on his long distance trips. There are indeed times when I value that capability.
But perhaps 300 ccs meet your needs just fine. Keeps your running costs down too.
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I routinely use 2 helmets, a cheap one from Aldi and a middle class from Schuberth.
Both work, but the Schuberth has real ventilation sliders and not only mocks. Sealing between pinlock visor and helmet frame works. And it's quiet at highway speeds too, I don't became deaf after x00 miles.
You won't notice much difference in the shop, but when riding in rain and mist, or even in freezing fog.
But of course for many short commutes the cheap helmet will do it's job too.
Regarding the cc, I had a Grand Dink (Vista) 250cc with 14.4kW and was quite happy with it.
Until I got a new mate (overweight like me) and in the holidays we were riding together a steep climb (say 12% grade at 2000m altitude).
Even small cars (small in Europe means <=R4 and 55kW, not a V8 "small block") did finally overtake in the corners and honk.
A new Xciting 500cc did the job, but even that is sometimes at it's limits.
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Goldwing: Effortless luxury touring, because one can:)
Sam:)
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Goldwing: Effortless luxury touring, because one can:)
Sam:)
So true.
I'm from the school of once the hat gets DOT it's all bells and whistles from there.
That said I have a collection of lids that range from $60.00 to $600.00. When I want max comfort and little noise and lite weightI'll grab the $$$ hat every time. When I was younger it was always a trade off on price/value. Now I "can " as stated above so I do. No apologies there.
As far as displacement I do fine with 300cc but being from the "horsepower generation" I understand the desire for max ponies.
The important thing is you shopped and found a helmet that fits and works for to without breaking the bank. Kudos.
Be Big,
AMAC
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Oh i love speed too. Thats what my car is for. My 300 has been able to handle every highway hill over 70mph. That was speeding. Anywho just making coversation. I get the want for speed but not the need for speed. I got my two wheeler for mpg and convenience. Not for speed. I realize most people go 2 wheels for fun.
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Oh i love speed too. Thats what my car is for. My 300 has been able to handle every highway hill over 70mph. That was speeding. Anywho just making coversation. I get the want for speed but not the need for speed. I got my two wheeler for mpg and convenience. Not for speed. I realize most people go 2 wheels for fun.
Sounds like you got it right !
I've found the 300cc Kymcos to be over achievers.
Be Big,
AMAC
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Goldwing: Effortless luxury touring, because one can:)
Sam:)
A couple on a pretty burgundy gold wing pulled up next to me at the light this morning.
Very foggy. "Driver' waved at me and took a sip of cooffee from his cup holder - she was looking at a laminated map plotting their Saturday morning outing. He was having no trouble with the fog because it was all getting knocked down by his big windscreen. She was back seat navigating over the intercom.
I'm wiping my visor with my paper towel....and riding with the other hand.
They looked like they loved their big bike!
Couldn't blame them. What a way to two-wheel the country side.
Stig
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It would be 10X's the amount not 100X's but your point is taken.
The only way Isee one being that much better would be it they test that much stronger or have electronics built into them or maybe even an A/C port.
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I never pay the full price. Garage sale helmets are ok for me.
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Plenty of great helmets out there for $120.00 & less. I wouldn't buy some "no name" cheapskate helmet off ebay. I myself love Scorpion helmets for the money. Bell, HJC & others make a fine $100.00 cap. Remember that's you head you're protecting, so going cheap isn't an option (for me at least)
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I'm actually going to be helmet shopping tomorrow.
I have an HJC Scratch, but it's been dropped, plus the spring for the sun shield is broken. I will probably stay with HJC, but may go with another model...not sure though. While I agree that it's our head that we are protecting, the truth is that some of us are doing this on a VERY tight and limited budget. I was not expecting to have to replace my helmet this soon (2 years), however it is what it is, and as such I am going to have to go lower price than what I wanted for my next helmet.
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I'm actually going to be helmet shopping tomorrow.
I have an HJC Scratch, but it's been dropped, plus the spring for the sun shield is broken. I will probably stay with HJC, but may go with another model...not sure though. While I agree that it's our head that we are protecting, the truth is that some of us are doing this on a VERY tight and limited budget. I was not expecting to have to replace my helmet this soon (2 years), however it is what it is, and as such I am going to have to go lower price than what I wanted for my next helmet.
I'm old school. If you drop it you replace it.
I also believe as I've said before that once it gets the DOT it's all bells and whistles. You are not sacrificing safety by not spending 300.00 plus.
Most important is that it fits.
Be Big,
AMAC
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I grew up with the saying , "buy the helmet as how you value your head'.
Yes, helmet price ranges from dirt cheap ones to uber expensive ones. But the bottlm line is that you get one that is certified or branded. Those would have the R&D done together with proper QC, and some even being used by racers around the world.
What you are paying for would be those R&D work, certification, testing and the anything above the minimum would be weight savings, comfort-ability, air flow, design, graphics, aero dynamics etc. Wind noise doesn't factor in because they are not a win win item, the more holes in the hell of the helmet for air flow, the noiser it will be. No two ways around it But that doesn't concern me as i wear ear plugs.
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I grew up with the saying , "buy the helmet as how you value your head'.
Yes, helmet price ranges from dirt cheap ones to uber expensive ones. But the bottlm line is that you get one that is certified or branded. Those would have the R&D done together with proper QC, and some even being used by racers around the world.
What you are paying for would be those R&D work, certification, testing and the anything above the minimum would be weight savings, comfort-ability, air flow, design, graphics, aero dynamics etc. Wind noise doesn't factor in because they are not a win win item, the more holes in the hell of the helmet for air flow, the noiser it will be. No two ways around it But that doesn't concern me as i wear ear plugs.
The Bell Helmets ad was something like "If you have a 10 dollar head, buy a 10 dollar helmet."
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I'm old school. If you drop it you replace it.
I also believe as I've said before that once it gets the DOT it's all bells and whistles. You are not sacrificing safety by not spending 300.00 plus.
Most important is that it fits.
Be Big,
AMAC
You're right. Mine was dropped, so it is getting replaced (there's no school like the old school). Would like a $300-$400 Shoei helmet...absolutely. Will I get one...nope. DOT sticker and fit (and as I can afford it style and maybe a feature or two).
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People buy Nikes because there are cool, people buy Arai because it's cool. I wouldn't pay $600 for a helmet but I've found multiple well taken care of used high end helmets on Craigslist, i would rather pay $150 for a used high end helmet than $150 for a crap new China helmet.
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Back in the day, late 70s I had Shoei that wasn't cheap. I think if it's a legit DOT certification just be happy. Those high end helmets look good and probably have the gel padding plus other bells and whistles. To each his own, just enjoy the ride.
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Guess its like the guys who buy Lambos and only drive it twice a year and go 35mph the whole time. Just spending money to say you own it. Not smart in my poor country book.
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Just went to the Honda dealer today and ordered an HJC IS-17 (with orange...couldn't get it with yellow). $170 with no sales tax (got it in NH). I love my HJC Scratch, but as I said earlier I dropped it (well, I didn't, some idiot knocked it off my handle bars in a McDonalds parking lot...so, I guess it's just as much my fault for not just putting it under the seat...but still...lol). Looking forward to the new Helmet even though our riding season is just about done here in Northern Vermont.
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Guess its like the guys who buy Lambos and only drive it twice a year and go 35mph the whole time. Just spending money to say you own it. Not smart in my poor country book.
Do you envy them? In my part of town, Lambos and other expensive cars are a common sight. I may not get to drive one in this lifetime, but at least I get to see them on the road! I'd love to see a Pagani Zonda. I don't care if they're careless with their money. They aren't spending my money.
I personally don't like spending my idea of too much on helmets since they are a wear item. But if a nice premium helmet shows up as last year's stock on clearance and it's time to replace my current lid, you bet I'd take it! Then for the rest of my helmet's lifespan I'd enjoy the extra value the soundproofing and aerodynamics provides at a fraction of the price. It may still not be cheaper helmet cheap, but there's value in it for me.
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Do you envy them? In my part of town, Lambos and other expensive cars are a common sight. I may not get to drive one in this lifetime, but at least I get to see them on the road! I'd love to see a Pagani Zonda. I don't care if they're careless with their money. They aren't spending my money.
I personally don't like spending my idea of too much on helmets since they are a wear item. But if a nice premium helmet shows up as last year's stock on clearance and it's time to replace my current lid, you bet I'd take it! Then for the rest of my helmet's lifespan I'd enjoy the extra value the soundproofing and aerodynamics provides at a fraction of the price. It may still not be cheaper helmet cheap, but there's value in it for me.
I don't want to turn this intoa car forum but really? A Zonda? The most ridiculous hypercar know to man other than its older brother, the huayra. Think of how ugly that would be in scooter form.
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I don't want to turn this intoa car forum but really? A Zonda? The most ridiculous hypercar know to man other than its older brother, the huayra. Think of how ugly that would be in scooter form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQLqr5Q7FRE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQLqr5Q7FRE)
Classic hahahaha
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You're right. Mine was dropped, so it is getting replaced (there's no school like the old school). Would like a $300-$400 Shoei helmet...absolutely. Will I get one...nope. DOT sticker and fit (and as I can afford it style and maybe a feature or two).
And should be replaced every 5 years too
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I don't want to turn this intoa car forum but really? A Zonda? The most ridiculous hypercar know to man other than its older brother, the huayra. Think of how ugly that would be in scooter form.
I have no idea what your tastes in scooters are, or what you find beautiful or passionate or ugly or unconventional. I have no idea how a Zonda in scooter form would look. Some examples I can offer of unique bikes: Big Ruckus? DN-01? Morpheous? Helix? All of which I'd like to see on the road on time to time.