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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: wkreps on May 09, 2014, 05:54:54 PM
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I've seen a few posts on the Trail Tech Tachometer and plan on getting one. I also want to get Their temperature sensor model. I have not found any posts on the temp sensor and was wondering why not. Did you look at them and decide not to purchase for some reason? Did you not think them accurate? My only concern is that you replace the spark plug washer and I do not know if there is enough room to screw in the plug and get the boot back on in the available space. There is an alternative mounting method where you place it on a head screw or something. Not sure about that.
This seems like a good idea to get one as it will tell me hopefully before something goes catastrophic with the engine. I also wanted to use it to see the diff in temp running regular vs synthetic oils.
TTO TEMP METER - BLACK - 10MM SPARK PLUG SENSOR (http://www.trailtech.net/digital-gauges/tto/temperature/722-et1)
I'd like to here your opinions on this little device whether you have one or not. Thanks.
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have not found any posts on the temp sensor
Related thread (http://itistheride.boards.net/post/66354/thread).
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In my not so humble opinion the temp. sensor is useless on a four stroke unless you like useless info on your dash.
The only thing it will show is heat from pre ignition, and the bike wont run if that is the issue. They do serve a VERY small purpose on a two stroke but again by the time you see it the engine is telling you anyway.
An exhaust temp. gauge is a true indicator of what is happening in real time. You have to drill, and weld a bung in the pipe approx 6" from the head to use one.
I happen to have two digital EGT gauges that I never used. If you want one you can have it. You will have to buy a probe, and fitting but that is less than 15.00 for both.
Mine are the same as this but in red LED... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-DC-Temperature-Meter-for-K-Type-Thermocouple-EGT-with-Blue-LED-12V-C-/380899669040?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item58af63b430&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-DC-Temperature-Meter-for-K-Type-Thermocouple-EGT-with-Blue-LED-12V-C-/380899669040?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item58af63b430&vxp=mtr)
I installed one in the ZX, and simply cut a hole to the right of the key on the top of the floor board plastic.
There is a pict of it here... http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=6494.90 (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=6494.90)
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I have the TTO temp guage. Helps keep an eye on the temp as Ive done a bunch of mods and I am nowhere near zombie/lovemykymco/everyone else status as a tuner. :)
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Another related thread (http://symforum.com/index.php?topic=2722.msg15179#msg15179).
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They are not useless Z, any info is good info... ;)
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worthless crap! ;D ;D ;D :P
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looks coooool!!!.... :P :-*
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So with the temp gauge, I was looking at using it to make sure I'm not overheating on long rides. I'm a little nervous to go on 50-100 mile one way trips with a lot of WOT without something that can give me some info on how the engine is taking it. With that in mind is the temp sensor a good place to look or would an oil temp sensor be better?
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So with the temp gauge, I was looking at using it to make sure I'm not overheating on long rides. I'm a little nervous to go on 50-100 mile one way trips with a lot of WOT without something that can give me some info on how the engine is taking it. With that in mind is the temp sensor a good place to look or would an oil temp sensor be better?
OK, tossing my 2 centimes in here, again, (for those readers who are considering buying a scooter) on this recurring subject of extended WOT scooter riding:
If you need or want to ride at 60MPH - please consider buying a scooter that has 70-75 MPH capabilities. Not a scoot that is maxed out at 60 MPH. You and your scooter might be a whole lot happier in the long run. There is probably enough good engineering in your smaller scooter to keep you relatively safe while WOT'ed at 60 MPH - but bigger scoots could do the same speed with a much larger cushion of designed engineering in the ride stability, cornering, braking, overtaking, etc.
Perspective owners - please think this through before laying down your pesos: Once you're done babying your new scooter - how will you really need/want to ride it?
Father Stig
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Yeah Stig, hindsight is 20/20. I really bought this thing to run into "the big city" 15 miles away to go back and forth to work. Not too worried about the 7 miles of WOT it would take to do that along with the 30-40 mph city driving. BUT . . . I've come to love riding this first scoot I've ever owned and find myself looking for other things to do on it like go camping, rides to out of the way diners to have one of their famous burgers or corn dogs, etc. I've said it before that "I don't know what I don't know" beings this is my first scoot. I'm sure that has some to do with the wanting of these sensors also. I'm the kind of guy who likes his dicks all lined up in a row if you know what I mean and these gauges would get them a little closer to straight.
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I'm the kind of guy who likes his dicks all lined up in a row if you know what I mean
Mr. Terrilee (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20817230&postcount=8)?
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Yeah Stig, hindsight is 20/20. I really bought this thing to run into "the big city" 15 miles away to go back and forth to work. Not too worried about the 7 miles of WOT it would take to do that along with the 30-40 mph city driving. BUT . . . I've come to love riding this first scoot I've ever owned and find myself looking for other things to do on it like go camping, rides to out of the way diners to have one of their famous burgers or corn dogs, etc. I've said it before that "I don't know what I don't know" beings this is my first scoot. I'm sure that has some to do with the wanting of these sensors also. I'm the kind of guy who likes his dicks all lined up in a row if you know what I mean and these gauges would get them a little closer to straight.
No worries...shoot- I'd never even heard a scooter run until I started mine in the driveway (had it delivered) - I had - have - a million questions. I could write a book about the stuff I don't know. My comment is for those folks who are in the final days before purchasing a "cool looking scooter at a great price!" at the local dealer. Builders, like Zombie, notwithstanding - there is no substitute for cc's! (and wheelbase)
Stig
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I'm the kind of guy who likes his dicks all lined up in a row if you know what I mean . . . .
Where's the auto correct when you need it. DUCKS. I meant DUCKS. :-[ :-[
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OK, tossing my 2 centimes in here, again, (for those readers who are considering buying a scooter) on this recurring subject of extended WOT scooter riding:
If you need or want to ride at 60MPH - please consider buying a scooter that has 70-75 MPH capabilities. Not a scoot that is maxed out at 60 MPH. You and your scooter might be a whole lot happier in the long run. There is probably enough good engineering in your smaller scooter to keep you relatively safe while WOT'ed at 60 MPH - but bigger scoots could do the same speed with a much larger cushion of designed engineering in the ride stability, cornering, braking, overtaking, etc.
Perspective owners - please think this through before laying down your pesos: Once you're done babying your new scooter - how will you really need/want to ride it?
Father Stig
So you are saying I would have been better off with a 30,000,000 cc engine? Where the F were you when I bought a 50cc???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
The dealer said it would be fine!
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Where's the auto correct when you need it. DUCKS. I meant DUCKS. :-[ :-[
Who said that? I'll trade you for Meth.. omorythious.
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Who said that? I'll trade you for Meth.. omorythious.
How many times I have to tell you . . . NOT ON THE FORUMS. Call my burner phone.
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I DID! 4,385 times. SET UP THE VOICEMAIL!!!
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For those that have the tach . . . .
1.) What scoot you have (model and cc)?
2.) What kind of numbers you seeing at 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 and WOT?
3.) What are you using the gauge for other than checking idle RPM's?
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1; ZX 50
2: 1/4 of full rpm
1/2 of full rpm
3/4 of full rpm
14,500 rpm Thats the only time I look
3: Beer holder/ash tray
I don't see how any of that will help you tho.
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1; ZX 50
2: 1/4 of full rpm
1/2 of full rpm
3/4 of full rpm
14,500 rpm Thats the only time I look
3: Beer holder/ash tray
I don't see how any of that will help you tho.
Thanks. Now I need to start saving for a beer holder. Yet another thing I need to buy. And to think I was trying to get this thread back on topic.
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Oh! so sorry. You don't really need the beer holder if you switch to forty ounce'ers. Just down one or two before hitting the road.
You do need the ash tray tho. Littering sucks.
Back on topic. Done.
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Temp sensor for the beer... keep 'em cold..
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I ordered the Tach, 10mm temp sensor and 4 foot extens cable today. Just need to find a source for rubber grommets to run the wire through the plastic faring. Plan on placing the tach to the left of the cluster and the temp sensor to the right of the cluster.
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Mr. Terrilee (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20817230&postcount=8)?
YIKES ! No turtle please no more........
and this is the person held to the "highest regard" by soooo many on some of the "other" scoot forums. I mean this sociopath is a hero to some, go figure.
It's been a while since I even thought of him/her......
At least the billy mummy clip was entertaining !
Be Big,
AMAC
(Sorry for the hijacking)
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All the crap in this thread! No one will notice. ;)
Ace Hardware has the grommets
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Where's the auto correct when you need it. DUCKS. I meant DUCKS. :-[ :-[
really? ;D
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Look what came in the mail today/
Wayne's vlog #40 - TrailTech Unboxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU7-GZ0o8SA#ws)
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Look what came in the mail today/
Wayne's vlog #40 - TrailTech Unboxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU7-GZ0o8SA#ws)
I know you've spent your hard earned $$ on these things - but maybe consider using some of that Red 3M 2-sided rubber tape to install the gauges....at least for a time. Until you are sure you have found the right position for them...or that you even want to keep them -before cutting or drilling into the plastic head-set. I've had my TTO tach placed on my scoot for nearly a year with the 3M stuff. It has not moved, but I could remove it with no damage if I wanted to.
Stig
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That's what I was going to do (use the sticky tape). Mount one on each side of the cluster and run the wire straight up and make a small U shaped cut where the black and colored plastic meet and use a grommet to run the wire through. I could run the wire to the side and avoid harming the plastic at all but I was slightly worried about vibration on the wire over time and causing a short issue. That's why I wanted to use the rubber grommet between the two pieces of plastic. Am I overthinking it? Plus I didn't want it to look "jerryrigged" together.
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That's what I was going to do (use the sticky tape). Mount one on each side of the cluster and run the wire straight up and make a small U shaped cut where the black and colored plastic meet and use a grommet to run the wire through. I could run the wire to the side and avoid harming the plastic at all but I was slightly worried about vibration on the wire over time and causing a short issue. That's why I wanted to use the rubber grommet between the two pieces of plastic. Am I overthinking it? Plus I didn't want it to look "jerryrigged" together.
I placed my tach down here, still in view (you won't be looking at it all the time since you're not changing gears!) ran the wire through the neck opening so it is in there with all the dozens of other wires bouncing around in the plastic. It is not rubbing on the bars so No issues.
(http://i57.tinypic.com/t8kf8y.jpg)
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placed my tach down here
Potential downside (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_DP-glXAcU&feature=youtu.be&t=10s).
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That's what I was going to do (use the sticky tape). Mount one on each side of the cluster and run the wire straight up and make a small U shaped cut where the black and colored plastic meet and use a grommet to run the wire through. I could run the wire to the side and avoid harming the plastic at all but I was slightly worried about vibration on the wire over time and causing a short issue. That's why I wanted to use the rubber grommet between the two pieces of plastic. Am I overthinking it? Plus I didn't want it to look "jerryrigged" together.
You have the right idea.
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I'm doing videos of the install. Not professional at all but I think you'll get the jist. This first one explains a little on how I plan to do it.
Started taking plastic off last night (frustrated!!!) Screws are stratefgically located so that you have to take other plastic of to get to the part you want to remove. Plus I think the floorboard is the first plastic piece put on so it is the last when removing. GGRRRR. Much more work than I anticipated.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv37_R1v94s#[/url)
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F'n plastic POS scooters!~ LOL ;D ;D ;D
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Potential downside (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_DP-glXAcU&feature=youtu.be&t=10s).
I don't even look at my speedo when riding ....for this reason.
I'm too tall, it is too far down. Full face helmet blocks out everything down there. But I would not ride with any other kind of protection. Been thinking about putting tiny lights on the mirror stalks so I'll see that I've left my turn signals on. Never seen a scooter dash that worked for anyone but little guys.
Stig
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Stig, what did you set the pulse to? .5, 1.0 or 2.0?
At the default 1.0 I'm getting 2200 - 2400 RPM which is a little high. SM says 1700 +-100. Just don't want to stick this thing on and then frick it up trying to get it back off to change it.
Edit:5-22-14
I set it to 2.0 and it started at 1500 and settled at 1200 after a couple minutes. I think that's where it needs to be. When it was set to 1.0 and I was revving a little and then shut off it reported 7000 as a max. I doubt it was that much beings I just had it on the stand and maybe took it to 1/3 throttle.
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I'm trying the 1.0 setting. I turned out the idle screw (3/4 turn counterclockwise) and that lowered the idle from 2500 to 1800. We'll see how see starts/idles over the next few days.