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Scooters - 50cc => People 50 => Topic started by: zero on April 30, 2014, 10:57:29 AM
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Hi for All, im from Bulgaria :) i have people 50 4 t. I want to tell you what I did on my scooter. I weigh 87 kg, scooter accelerated to 70 km / h. But very slowly in the beginning. I changed my original 6.5 g rolls with 5.5 g rolls, now accelerates better but lost a top speed, of 62 km / h. I see the belt is litle short 724/17.5/30, original belts is 729/18/30!!! if i replace belt, will get my speed ?
Thank for all, sory for my bed english :)
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Can I replace with 732/18.5 Dayco?
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For your first post... Yes. The longer belt will get your top end back.
Second post... Never tried it so I don't know.
The CVT has to be exactly balanced to work smoothly, and get full top/bottom travel.
The OEM Bando belt is really your best bet. After that a Gates PowerLink 748/18/28 is a good choice.
I learned to NOT pay attention to the belt numbers as a relation to size. Two makers with the same numbers are always different sizes.
Oddly enough the Gates 748 is shorter than the oem 729 so the numbers are meaningless
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Oddly enough the Gates 748 is shorter than the oem 729 so the numbers are meaningless
This is true???? now I'm confused ::)
Thank you for all my friend. I checked my dealer, no Bando in stock :( only Dayco, but I check for Gates.
Please look at this photo, i have 5mm free space: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f7ofh7904s25nk3/DSCN5495%20copy.jpg (https://www.dropbox.com/s/f7ofh7904s25nk3/DSCN5495%20copy.jpg) and this, https://www.dropbox.com/s/sbelonossuh8732/DSCN5488.JPG (https://www.dropbox.com/s/sbelonossuh8732/DSCN5488.JPG) This is normal? I think the belt is wrong in short ( belt is 725/17!!!), should I buy a longer belt to get to the rim and disc?
Another question :) Can I run an engine without a protective cover of CVT? So I will see what happens, but maybe dangerous for starter, cover is support for starter. ::)
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You are right... The first Pict. shows the belt is too short. The perfect fit makes the belt even with the top of the rear pulley (torque drive), and sitting snug around the shaft on the front pulley (variator).
Where are you located? Maybe someone here is local to you, and has a source for the Bando belt. There is a dealer here in florida that has been selling cheap Ebay belts for years, and I catch quite a few of them in repairing his work. Just cause the dealer sells it does not mean it is correct.
Maybe your dealer is right, and the dayco works but I do not know.
The CVT cover not only holds the starter gear in place but it is what keeps your bike from falling apart. The engine case is cast aluminum, and will break in half if you ride without the case cover. That is where the strength comes from.
You can take a magic marker, and sort of "paint" the insides of the front pulley. When you ride it will rub off the marker, and show you how far up the variator the belt is riding. It should go all the way up. Same as the rear when the bike is sitting.
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You can take a magic marker, and sort of "paint" the insides of the front pulley. When you ride it will rub off the marker, and show you how far up the variator the belt is riding. .....
You are my saint, it's a great idea! Thanks :) I buy new belt, replace rols 5.5g with original 6.5g, and mark insides of front pulley, then check :)
I from Bulgaria, I use Dayco belts for my cars, this is great belts. It's not like Bando or Gates, but very nice belt for price. If I not find Bando or Gates I get Dayco.
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You might want to try Dr. Pulley or Ninja Sliders. They are much better than rollers, and last, well I've had one set last 2+years so far, and when I clean them up they look as good as new.
Sliders DrPulley Adige Scooter Ninja at MRP differences: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYgJsgMIHjM#ws)
I have 7gr Dr. Pulley, and weigh about 195lbs. I could go to 6gr but I'm waiting till these wear out. Maybe another 2 years? ;D
If you get sliders MAKE SURE you install them the way they show you. It's easy to mess up, and put them in backwards. I look at the package (i saved it) every time I put them in.
If you get a Dayco belt the marker trick will tell you what is happening. Even IF it is wrong you now have a spare. I learned the hard way.... Keep a belt, and some basic tools w/ you. I hate pushing.
By the way... Don't you guys have Vampires in Bulgaria! :'(
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I too :) Belt, spark, tools, all I need if scoot stops :) although only drive in the city :) Dr. Pulley are nice rols, but quite expensive for me :( This is for me:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-Ruckus-DR-Pulley-Slider-Weights-16x13-6-Gram-/151111954694?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&hash=item232ef97106&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-Ruckus-DR-Pulley-Slider-Weights-16x13-6-Gram-/151111954694?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&hash=item232ef97106&vxp=mtr)
This must seem strange, but in Bulgaria 30 dollars a lot of money for rolls. I bought mine for $ 5 :)
By the way... Don't you guys have Vampires in Bulgaria!
It did not understand ::) You ask me if we have vampires in Bulgaria? YES we have, these are beautiful women, they are the biggest vampires, have a lot of money for them, drink all your saved money :) But worth it.
p.p. Surely you confused with Romania, Earl Dracula, there are vampires in legend, but we no vampires even legend :)
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I completely understand throwing away money on stupid things. Look at the For Sale section on the forum, and you can read about my ZX-50.
The reason I mentioned the sliders is because in 2 months when yours are shot you will be spending another 5 spot, and so on. The sliders will save you money in the end. They wont eat up your variator either. Just my 2 cents...
I surely am confused about the Vampires now. What you described about dollar drinking women is what we call Hookers, or Cougars. Most of the time I would WISH for a Vampire to come along... ;D ;D ;D ;D
I know there are no Vampires in Bulgaria. They all moved to New Jersey centuries ago. 8)
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Hahahahah ;D I'll write how new belt on Monday :) Variator there is a big clearance то the hub, someday I'll have to change him, and then I will buy dr. pulley :)
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When you say "big clearance to the hub" do you mean the belt is not touching the shaft on the front pulley?
If it is too low in the back, and not touching in the front... That means your control spring or torsion spring is worn. That spring squeezes the rear pulley, and returns the belt to the shaft up front
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No Nо, belt is ok in front pulley, but boss shaking in the pulley. This one:
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You have to replace the entire Variator. The parts wear together, and replacing one component will cause it to wear faster. You can use any QMB 139 Variator off of Ebay for 20.00 bucks.
BUT I would highly recommend you get a Malossi/Polini/Jasil (Top Racing). They will work MUCH better, and out last your engine if you use them with sliders instead of rollers.
Even if you get a cheap Variator I would still recommend getting at least a set of Quality rollers. Stage6 are inexpensive, and so are the Polini. They are both made from Nylon so they do last longer.
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Ok :) I am now in the experimental stage. Will find the right belt. Will drive different rolls 5.5g. or 6.5g. to find out exactly what I want, and then can buy a nice variator and sliders rollers :) You will help me to choose, not too expensive, but nice :)
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I understand you are 1/2 way around the world from here but Polini is Italian, and should be easy for you to find.
This is a very good all around variator. The price is the lowest you will find for the top three major brands. Polini/Malossi/Jasil (Top Racing).
If you can't find this or similar for a decent price I would be happy to buy one here (around 45.00 - 50.00 USD), and ship it over for you.I'll check at the post tomorrow, and see what they charge to ship 2 lbs. to Transylvania. 8) I know... Bulgaria. If it is something that could help we can set it up thru PM's here.
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You know exactly which model variator for me? I have a friend who lives in the U.S., it probably will come next month to Bulgaria, and can brought it to me. Just need to know and show her what to buy for me. Can you send me the link what model to look for? Kymco people s 50cc 4 t motor BB10. 45-50$ is perfect price :)
Оne more question. How do I know my CDI is restricted or not? My max speed 65km/h . This means that CDI not restricted?
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Either you or your US connect can open a dealer account here... http://www.spi-parts.com/scooter-parts-performance/kymco/polini-variator-kymco-people-50.html (http://www.spi-parts.com/scooter-parts-performance/kymco/polini-variator-kymco-people-50.html)
You can of course buy one anywhere. It's just that the forum can save you $$$. IMHO
That's the Var. I'm talking about. you can ask about having it shipped direct to you, as long as it's paid by someone here.
It sounds unrestricted to do 40mph. Do they even have to restrict them there? I thought is was mainly a US thing. Mainly...
That Var. could/should get you 45mph.
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HI, My Friend, I change the belt, but...... , I do not know why the belt still standing in the same place as the old one, but is really long, I measured 743mm, old is 724mm. Scoot goes much well, try 6.5gram rolls, but slowly accelerates, again change with 5.5grams, and it is very good. Max speed is 68, maybe 70. I mark variator, and rear pulley, see pic :)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nn8rtyyzvv2iy9p/IMG_20140505_104537.jpg (https://www.dropbox.com/s/nn8rtyyzvv2iy9p/IMG_20140505_104537.jpg)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/znd9cnxgyf2qxtj/IMG_20140505_104547.jpg (https://www.dropbox.com/s/znd9cnxgyf2qxtj/IMG_20140505_104547.jpg)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xxjoi17fppogwu/IMG_20140505_104559.jpg (https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xxjoi17fppogwu/IMG_20140505_104559.jpg)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ye7m7pcy9053x92/IMG_20140505_104714.jpg (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ye7m7pcy9053x92/IMG_20140505_104714.jpg)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vfmg5s3uez5xy5s/IMG_20140505_105125.jpg (https://www.dropbox.com/s/vfmg5s3uez5xy5s/IMG_20140505_105125.jpg)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/118ouixn41lep5j/IMG_20140505_105137.jpg (https://www.dropbox.com/s/118ouixn41lep5j/IMG_20140505_105137.jpg)
I think that the rear pulley is much bigger than variator, maybe not original.
If I put a more long belt what will happen at the variator ???
Variator can not climb high on the belt. I think it would have been a sports variator that previous owner is taken. I'll think about it.
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the front looks like it is very close to running correctly while the rear is still too far off.
The rear looks OEM to me so I don't think it was changed out. It couild be the front was changed because many of the China Knock off's are up to 10mm smaller in diameter.
I would still try to find a slightly longer or OEM Bando belt, and go ahead /w a Polini Variator. It's the only way to be sure of the correct fit, and the MUCH better Polini will cost the same as an OEM Var from the dealer.
Try to have your friend get them both for you, and be done w/ it
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Thank you my firend, I found 2 version:
http://www.dianamoto.com/index.php?ch=14&l=1&id=5044&page=6&cat=&proiz=&pole=&tyrsenepo=3 (http://www.dianamoto.com/index.php?ch=14&l=1&id=5044&page=6&cat=&proiz=&pole=&tyrsenepo=3) Made in Taiwan 45leva= 33$
And this one Malossi multivar:
http://www.dianamoto.com/index.php?ch=14&l=1&id=5377&page=7&cat=&proiz=&pole=&tyrsenepo=3 (http://www.dianamoto.com/index.php?ch=14&l=1&id=5377&page=7&cat=&proiz=&pole=&tyrsenepo=3)
125leva=87$ i think the price is OK for Malossi. Maybe I'll buy Malossi
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Absolutely use the Malossi. I had one that went in three different bikes, and lasted almost 5 years. The other is just a cheap item that will last maybe one year if you are lucky.
Plus the Malossi spring is a bonus. You should install that at the same time, and it will feel like a new bike.
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Soon my 39 birthday 18.may.2014, can someone gave me Malosse :) Or I myself :)
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Sorry sweetie... We already bought you a Pony. :-*
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;D
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Zombie this is ok for me http://aleksandar95.snimka.bg/motorcycles/polini-speed-control.813037.32960970 (http://aleksandar95.snimka.bg/motorcycles/polini-speed-control.813037.32960970)
Pollini speed control. Dimension 97mm - diameter. 60 bg. leva or 45$ (second hand - 400км)
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Look at a few things... He shows the BACK side. Cool, He polished the backing plate, Cool See the scars on the middle of the front side? Not Cool.
We can get you a new one for the same cost,Cool. Shipping sucks, Not Cool.
BUY A NEW ONE COOL?
Sell some fake weed, and make the money. Run from the dumbasses that bought it on your 40=45 mph scooter COOL? They will never catch a 40 mph scooter cause... They're dumbasses.
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Ok thanks, I decided to buy a new Malossi :)
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You will be happy you did. It should last the life of several engines. Mine did.
When you install it use a drop of motor oil on the crank shaft, and outside of the drive boss (sleeve). Just a DROP. This will pre-lube it for break-in, and it will never need lubing again.