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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: franx93 on September 08, 2009, 10:15:11 PM

Title: restriction problem
Post by: franx93 on September 08, 2009, 10:15:11 PM
hello....on my agility 2008 R16 i put an unrestricted boss, cut violet wire, and put #82 main jet...but it goes only 55 km/h. if i plug half air hole behind the filter it goes 62/63km/h, but some friends go 65km/h plugging nothing. is there any other adjustament to do at the carburator?
thank you for your time :)
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 09, 2009, 10:21:29 AM
hello....on my agility 2008 R16 i put an unrestricted boss, cut violet wire, and put #82 main jet...but it goes only 55 km/h. if i plug half air hole behind the filter it goes 62/63km/h, but some friends go 65km/h plugging nothing. is there any other adjustament to do at the carburator?
thank you for your time :)

..i thought the wire was green......hmmm...

..try an 85 jet..you may be running lean...

peace
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: franx93 on September 09, 2009, 10:30:13 AM
i tried an 86 jet...it runs better but doesn't go 65 km/h...i don't know why...:( the carburator is also clean
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 09, 2009, 10:32:29 AM
..where did you cut this violet wire??
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 09, 2009, 10:38:51 AM
...this is where you should cut..
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 09, 2009, 10:43:44 AM
..my dealer did this..
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: franx93 on September 09, 2009, 11:18:32 AM
my cdi is not this. is original r16 cdi...and the restriction go out cutting violet wires..
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 09, 2009, 11:49:07 AM
..this is my original Agility 50 cdi...

..what scooter do you have??
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: Kenho21 on September 09, 2009, 12:19:45 PM
I adjusted the engine size, lol

Ken
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 09, 2009, 12:20:58 PM
I adjusted the engine size, lol

Ken

 :D ;D :o
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: franx93 on September 09, 2009, 12:30:17 PM
agility 2008...the problem is not the cdi, i'm sure...so, is there any adjustament to do at the carburator except main jet and needle jet? (#86 main jet and original needle jet.)
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 09, 2009, 12:41:52 PM
agility 2008...the problem is not the cdi, i'm sure...so, is there any adjustament to do at the carburator except main jet and needle jet? (#86 main jet and original needle jet.)

..I bought my 08 Agility 50 new...These pics of the cdi are of STOCK cdi's...

..If you didn't cut as the pics are shown, then you may very well have a cdi problem...

..and no, there are no other carburetor adjustments to be made, that I know of...

..other than a "High flow" air intake filter, that may require some further carb tuning...


.....Anybody else agree with me??

..or have anything else to offer franx??

peace
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: franx93 on September 09, 2009, 12:58:37 PM
wordslinger mine is an R16 ;) yours is R12...cdi are different ;)
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 09, 2009, 01:22:56 PM
wordslinger mine is an R16 ;) yours is R12...cdi are different ;)

..ok, yeah..i overlooked that...

..sounds like you have big problems then...

 ;D
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 09, 2009, 04:30:05 PM
..franx..comparing the specs of the 2008 A50 r12 and the 2008 A50 r16...

..the A50 r12 has 3.5 horsepower..@ 7500rpm (restricted)
..the A50 r16 has 2.4 horsepower..@ 7500rpm (restricted)

..the A50 r12 weighs 92.5 kg (204 lbs)
..the A50 r16 weighs 100 kg (220.5 lbs)

Is this what your scoot looks like?

..trying to educate myself a bit..  ;)
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: franx93 on September 09, 2009, 07:05:17 PM
r12 and r16 have same motor and horse power...3.3. they are different for trasmission, and cdi.
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 10, 2009, 10:33:06 AM
r12 and r16 have same motor and horse power...3.3. they are different for trasmission, and cdi.

..cool guess that musta been a mis-print in the service manual..

..nice looking scoot though...
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: zombie on September 10, 2009, 08:02:58 PM
Technigas makes a couple pipes for your scoot that will allow you to open the carb., and get the power you are looking for.http://www.tecnigas.com/o/cerca.php?marca=16&models=359&idioma=en&tria_tub=Go. (http://www.tecnigas.com/o/cerca.php?marca=16&models=359&idioma=en&tria_tub=Go.)  There are a few posts on carb tuning in this forum that will help. Read through them completely as there are many pitfalls along the way. I would scrap the fact air box in favor of a full flow unit. before trying to re-jet. you can only get so much air through a straw. Keep posting so we can watch. You may be suprised how many people you can help, w/ your experience!
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 11, 2009, 03:44:01 PM
..zombie..I was told that pipes didnt make much difference on a 4-stroke...Have you had the opportunity to see that they do?..

 ???

..My K & N air filter came in today, and Imma install it this evening...Got my needle drills to open my jet if needed...

..I'll be so glad to get rid of that big ugly stock airbox...

peace
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: zombie on September 11, 2009, 07:57:09 PM
Yeah slinger, MOST replacement pipes will fall short on good performance for 4 stroke engines, but when you read the small print (not legal for street/ highway use) you are getting into the pipes that DO make a noticeable diff. I have a friend in L.I., N.Y. who has been racing Honda engines for 30+ years, and If he suggests something, I listen. Billy turned me on to Technigas almost three years ago, and everyone I know that has used their stuff has been satisfied. The tough part for me is getting a carb tuned right over the noise of an open exhaust. The People at Technigas will also give you BASELINE specs for your carb depending which pipe you want to run,and your cylinder,cam valve train set up. I think the link I posted for franx will also apply to your scoot. I found it's ALWAYS better to spend the money to call, and ask about your situation dirrect.
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 11, 2009, 08:07:59 PM
Yeah slinger, MOST replacement pipes will fall short on good performance for 4 stroke engines, but when you read the small print (not legal for street/ highway use) you are getting into the pipes that DO make a noticeable diff. I have a friend in L.I., N.Y. who has been racing Honda engines for 30+ years, and If he suggests something, I listen. Billy turned me on to Technigas almost three years ago, and everyone I know that has used their stuff has been satisfied. The tough part for me is getting a carb tuned right over the noise of an open exhaust. The People at Technigas will also give you BASELINE specs for your carb depending which pipe you want to run,and your cylinder,cam valve train set up. I think the link I posted for franx will also apply to your scoot. I found it's ALWAYS better to spend the money to call, and ask about your situation dirrect.

I agree with your last statement, for sure..I'm probably not going to change my pipe any time soon..I'm kinda happy with my scoot as it is, other than installing this air filter, and getting that tuned out..I'm running way over what is legal speed in my state...and I'm still on probation from my dwi...I don't want to press my luck too aweful much..  ;)

..man, I'm just sitting back here thinking, wow...I can't believe how much I've learned from all you guys in this forum...

peace

Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: zombie on September 11, 2009, 08:14:09 PM
iT'S MUTUAL slinger, I noticed in the pict. of your cdi the bottom is shaved. I think they did this to SHOW that it has been derestricted, not that the shave IS the derestriction
Title: Re: restriction problem
Post by: wordslinger on September 11, 2009, 08:15:52 PM
..i was like...WOW..WTF...wonder why they did it like that...