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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: The moped learner on November 20, 2013, 12:51:56 PM
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So winter is coming and of course cold weather. Well my 2010 kymco agl is not wanting to start in this weather i well crank over tell the battery is dead but won't start the only way to help it get started is use a blowdrier nere the carb. Im useing a #85 jet with pod filter any info you guys have to help me (is there anyone else having trouble) it really suck having to use a blowdrier all the time having a job and after a long day of work and getting ready to go home but to find my moped wont start is not ony list.
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I have been going threw that for years. I just hook up a 75 watt light under the seat and leave on.Its just enough so the scoot starts easy.Dont go over a 75 watt light 65 works ok to but I find a 75 works better.I was also thinking about throwing a heat pad on the scoot over the carb but that just sounds to dangerest. My friend raps his whole motor with heat tape. but that also sounds not safe. good luck.
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Yea thats what i was thinking but doing that everywere is not the most easy thing to do sine i need electric to use the heating pad or light. It won't even start after setting acouple of hours. 😖😫ðŸ˜
My parnets think everything i moded is causing it not to start so they want me to buy a new carb, coil they don't now what people do to there mopeds😡so my dad thinks that if i get a brand new carb😡 that it well start and run, i tryed to tell them it wouldn't but they think it well make it run THE CARB IS ALL STOCK so i dont know what they think a new one well do. IM SO ANGREY!!!
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its not the carb. You can try a bigger pilet jet in the carb. But I dont think that will work eather. in the cold gas is weaker and on worm days gas stronger. maybe you can wrape the carb with some typ of foam to keep the cold off. theses days also the gas we buy has a lot of water in it and it makes the float in the carb stick. if you do go to a new carb try bigger carb and one that you can change the jets out. good luck.............
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I do buy the highist grade fuel 93 octane dont know if water is a problim in this fuel
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Would adding Ethanol to the fuel do any good in this situation?
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Dont think so high grade fuel is well high grade. I made up my mind that it well not work in thhe winter so im going to have to buy a gas powered scooter my moped is parton my swear but is acting like a bi**h it well just sit there turning over till the batt dies i even set it in a room with some heat and no luck it runs yes if i set two space heaters by it but taking heaters to work is not the best thing to do
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Dont give up. I almost did I just made a auto choke my my scoot out of a old elec. choke helps a lot for those cold days.
You just cut the wires off and at the top you drill a small hole in the top so you can stick a small screw driver in there to push the button down works great I love mine im going to make a few of theam to sale. give it a shot it realy helps me out when its real cold out.
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Im not sher what your saying take a old choke unit and drill a hole in it? My parnets won't let me do that if i do thell take of my carb of and put a new one on even though it woudnt help im still going to use my moped just not in the winter. Im going to get another one for winter driving
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if ya need a scoot in the colder weather go with a 2 stroke they love the cold.
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That's what i thought the 4-cycle mopeds arnt ment to be in cold weather im geting a 80cc engine bicycle kit for my bike its 2 cycle😎thanks for your help blue and everyone!
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I had the exact same problem as you, and added something to the fuel called "kaburatorvæske" in danish.
It seems it helped a lot. I can't figure out what it is called in english. But it prevents icing and moist in the carburator.
The product I use is based on Isopropyl alcohol, but other types also exist.
This used to be very common in Denmark and was used a lot on older gasoline powered cars with carburators. Today it is used to a lesser degree because of engines with direct injection are more common, I guess.
I hope you will try it out. It would be a shame if it works miracles and you don't give it a chance.
You can read more about it here:
http://www.svrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153697 (http://www.svrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153697)
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Thanks i read the form and its not in the usa so i cant get it buy it said heet or dry gas i dont think that would help since i drive my moped till my fuel is all gone then i use my spare gas tank then i make my way to the gas station. I use 98 octane gas
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Oh and it started geting hard to start as fall came so the fuel or any water couldn't freeze it was like in the 45 to 50 degrees. Thats when it started its starting fit
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Freezed water in the carburator starts to be a problem even a few degrees above zero (celcius), because of some vaporizing process taking place, reducing the the temperature in the carburator.
Days with pourring rain or a lot of moist in the air also causes problems, that these kinds of products can reduce, since the water in the carburator is most often caused by moist from the air-intake. So it's a very good idea to use this from +5 to -1 degrees celcius. Below that there is not much moist in the air, and you won't experience the problems as much.
I am still more and more sure, this will help you out. Last thing you need to work out is what those kinds of products are called in the country you live in. I think your father can help you out with that, else ask a scooter dealer or ask at a gas station.
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SORRY FOR THE CAPPS MY IPOD IS BEING DUMB DONT WANT ANYONE STRAIN THERE EYES SEEING SMALL PRINT. I MEANT 45-55 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT.
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Sure, cool. I kind of like caps. :)
Pont is, that ice in the carburator is a problem even when weather is above freezing point. - Due to vaporizing reactions lowering the temperature in the carburator.
And this kind of liquid added to the gazoline might very well sort that problem out.
Peace out. :)
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If you have had problems with your engine stopping in rainy or moist weather, waiting 5 minnutes is enough to be able to start the engine again.
This is because heat from the engine heats up the carburator in that time enough for the moist to vaporize.
If this sounds familiar, then go a head and try out that Isopropyl alcohol product. ;)
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4-cycle mopeds arnt ment to be in cold weather
4-stroke engines seem to work just fine in snow blowers!
Return engine to original running configuration.
Check valve lash (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxzW9aYA_6U) (.05mm/.002 inches)
Consider . . using Delo 400 engine oil (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Chevron-Delo-400-CJ4-15W40-Engine-Oil-1qt/16940137), adding around 2 ounces of Techron Concentrate (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Chevron-Techron-Concentrate-Plus-10-oz/16647989) to the gas tank before refilling, and installing an enricher switch (http://scootdawg.proboards.com/thread/56179?544521=undefined).
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Well ok ill try it eherim ill get back to you.
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The only reason im waiting to try out what you said is becuase im saving up my money for my 80cc bicycle engine kit do to the fact if its snowing i can just make my way to the bus stop and put my bike on the front of the bus bike rack and get close to work and make my way to work
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In this semi-cold weather my agility also has a hard time starting with the electric starter button. But 1-4 kicks with the kick starter starts it every time - so far.
:-)
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OK - so now my Agility won't start either. LOL
There was this really rainy day. The scooter was parked under a roof, but the moist in the air caused it not to start. Not by the electric starter and not by the kick starter.
I got these suggestions from a Danish forum, and I will try them out in a week or so:
"Experiencing problems starting in moist weather sounds like moist is getting where it is not supposed to be. Try checking out the spark plug Wire."
I found a video, that descibes what to do in this situation:
Trimming Spark Plug Wires from the coils for a 2 stroke Arctic Cat ignition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyi_77uAij0#)
Some other guy made his scooter start by taking the air filter off. Then it started by the first kick. He then cleaned the filter and it was all good.
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in the days of my youth, 1940,s and 1950,s we used( ether ) that you buy at the auto supply or drug store,. and up north we had to use a blow torch on the oil pan to melt the oil, frozen solid,. just to turn the engine with a crank, now a days I think you can buy ether in a spray can,. whats in those little plastic bottles at the gas station you put in your tank if you have water in the gas,???ether I believe,.
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Update:
I had to turn my Agility in to a mechanic.
They filled up the oil, replaced the spark plug and the battery plus sprayed some cables and connections with some silicone spray.
It's up and running again and the world is a better place. :-)
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Ohh trust me eather was my best friend but when it turns cold it didn't help and the kick starter didnt help a bit
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I just put it in my shed and bought my 80cc bicycle engine kit and runs better than the moped so for now moped summer driving, 80cc bicycle winter
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It miiiiiiiiight also be, that the problem is, that it has not been running for a while.
That could cause the carburetor to be empty of fuel. In order to fill it up and have it starting again, I read a tip about stepping gently on the kickstarter - without trying to start the scoot - 4-5 times and after that turning the throttle handle up and down 6-7 times. That should somehow suck gas into the carb.
After that it should start, if that is the problem.
You could watch this and read the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmOzAsjBECE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmOzAsjBECE)
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Another trick to do in order to fill up the carburator with sufficient fuel is to locate the air intake hose, wich is made of rubber. Then squeze it tightly together while kicking the kick starter a few times. That should suck fuel into the carb.
If that doesn't do the trick, the vacuum hose might be damaged.
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OK, a few more newbie experiences on this subject (me being the newbie):
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The problem can also be a not all charged battery. One can by a charger for when the problem occurs. If a scoot is left for a while and not used, the battery will slowly de-charge. Low levels make a hard time starting. Some guy told me, that the battery should be replaced once every year.
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When starting, only apply a very subtle twist of the throttle handle. More than just a tiny bit will make it very hard to fire up the engine. I've been to impatient and upset from time to time, and I am sure, that has gotten me to twist the handle way to much.
To me this being gentle with the throttle handle seemed illogical, and when I saw a guy start my scoot with it, I just couldn't believe, that what I found impossible actually was so easy. Kind of like a magic touch of sorts.
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If all of the above doesn't start your engine here's another tip, I was told, and it seems to do it for me - at least for the time being:
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On four stroke scooters, the kickstarter will only make the engine run few revolutions compared to two stroke scooters. To compensate for this, you can kick the kickstarter two or more times right after each other to help the engine get going. The trick is to kick at the right times. Follow the flow of the engine. Just like when pushing a swing, you can make it swing higher and higher by pushing at the right time. I found that by using this method you don't have to kick immensely hard, you just have to get the timing right.
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Well a update on my moped tryed starting it on a sort of warm day almost got it started but never fully started any one think getting a 80cc bore kit would help with starting on cold days?
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Good news guys! My friend and i adjusted the valves and it started right up! It has so much power thanks to anyone that helped me out!
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That's good news, man!
Mine is also running with stability now. And now that I know more on how to start it, I too am a happier agility owner. :D
All threads should end like this. ;D
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Good news guys! My friend and i adjusted the valves and it started right up! It has so much power thanks to anyone that helped me out!
That is an amazing 'valves' story. Who knew they could cause that.
How far out of factory specs were they?
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Well the exhaust nut was loose there was almost no exhaust pressure