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Title: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on October 02, 2013, 10:20:46 PM
Wonder if any of the maxiscoots have traction control.

Seems a pretty simple idea: sensors detect difference in rear wheel rpm vs the front wheels and reduce output from engine until speeds match.

Add ABS and Bob's Your Uncle ~! Stig's riding in snow this winter!

Kawasaki 1400GTR Traction control - how it works (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrpXXasJcB0#)

Frenada de scooters con y sin ABS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BTVwL0GvBk#ws)

Even better demonstration of ABS.

Prueba frenado con y sin ABS / Wet skid test on motorcycles with & without ABS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad4CffOn7zY#)

There is simply no way an expert driver or rider can match ABS braking......and in panic stop one would not have the ability or skill to do the max braking with a cool head.IMHO
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: CosmoKorny on October 03, 2013, 12:54:55 AM
Knock yourself out.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/155i5x1.jpg)

By spring you'll be an expert on both low side and high side.   :o
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: de-dee on October 03, 2013, 01:03:24 AM
  CHECK THE PIAGIO BEV. 350 URO SPEC,S, I think it has the good stuff,again we dont get those things here,. 
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: mnpugdog on October 03, 2013, 05:20:22 PM
We don't need ABS, we just need the side wheels. ;D
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: CosmoKorny on October 03, 2013, 05:55:58 PM

There is simply no way an expert driver or rider can match ABS braking......and in panic stop one would not have the ability or skill to do the max braking with a cool head.IMHO

Don't underestimate the power of mastering the basics.  And dont forget an experienced rider has the ability to look down the road and anticipate in a way a computer never could.
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: CosmoKorny on October 03, 2013, 06:06:54 PM
...and I'll take this moment to plug Proficient Motorcycling by David L. Hough, it is a fantastic resource and a must read for anyone interested in mastering, or staying alive while, two-wheeled riding.
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: Croak on October 03, 2013, 06:36:57 PM
You don't need traction control (and it really won't be much help in the snow or ice anyway on a bike or scooter), you just need some of these:

(http://www.kisarengas.fi/renkaat/IMG_0660.JPG)

http://www.gripstuds.com/Motorcycle_Winter_Dirt_Bike.php (http://www.gripstuds.com/Motorcycle_Winter_Dirt_Bike.php)
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: CosmoKorny on October 03, 2013, 06:45:34 PM
Yep.  The picture I posted of the hex-head zip screws are the poor man's version of those.  :)
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: gn2 on October 03, 2013, 10:25:23 PM
Piaggio Beverly 350ST has ABS and traction control as does the Piaggio X10 Executive.

Even more interesting is the new Motorcycle Stability Control system from Bosch which prevents low-sides and allows heavy braking while leaned over.
http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/first-ride-2014-ktm-duke-1190-adventure-with-bosch-motorcycle-stability-control/23615.html (http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/first-ride-2014-ktm-duke-1190-adventure-with-bosch-motorcycle-stability-control/23615.html)
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: Vivo on October 04, 2013, 02:50:02 AM
Traction control? What would be next? Parking assist for scooters?  The more smarter the vehicle, the less skilled would be the driver/rider... My two cents... 
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: CosmoKorny on October 04, 2013, 02:55:31 AM
On my short list is a Ural side car rig.  Two wheel drive.  Think it should be on Stig's too.
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: CosmoKorny on October 04, 2013, 03:57:50 AM
How could anyone not love a Ural.   :)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2925fd3.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/f5bvqv.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2yydunb.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/zinjwx.jpg)

Dam, now I want one even more...
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: wakeupmaggie on October 04, 2013, 02:45:06 PM
...and I'll take this moment to plug Proficient Motorcycling by David L. Hough, it is a fantastic resource and a must read for anyone interested in mastering, or staying alive while, two-wheeled riding.

Looked at this book in Amazon.  I'm going to order it.  Thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on October 04, 2013, 06:15:24 PM
Looked at this book in Amazon.  I'm going to order it.  Thanks for the advice.
Looked at this book in Amazon.  I'm going to order it.  Thanks for the advice.

Checked your local library? I've found 2 or 3 good riding books and 5 or 6 scooter books there.
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on October 04, 2013, 06:21:40 PM
Knock yourself out.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/155i5x1.jpg)

By spring you'll be an expert on both low side and high side.   :o
Wait!!!
Shoot..... So somebody already thought of this ?!
Glad I kept my receipt from Lowe's for the 144 bx case of these I bought. I was going to market these as "DIY Winter Scooter Chains" on eBay! Buy a pair of big wheeled scoots with the profits and move to Provence, or maybe Avignon.....
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on October 04, 2013, 06:49:01 PM
My husband plans to retire after making his fortune selling "DIY Winter Scooter Chains" on eBay - hopefully he is not jumping the bagel, as it were, in ordering this pair of Peugeots for our new life in Avignon.

He said he was inspired to move to France after watching a documentary about the most famous big wheeled scooter racer,  Monsieur Bean.
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: ahernandez74 on October 04, 2013, 07:08:43 PM
Traction on a scooter?! Cmon man.. talk about over kill! I think traction and stuff like that is limited to high speed fast bikes...
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: CosmoKorny on October 04, 2013, 10:16:18 PM
My husband plans to retire after making his fortune selling "DIY Winter Scooter Chains" on eBay - hopefully he is not jumping the bagel, as it were, in ordering this pair of Peugeots for our new life in Avignon.

He said he was inspired to move to France after watching a documentary about the most famous big wheeled scooter racer,  Monsieur Bean.

Good to see your old lady finally took the computer away from you Stig. 
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: blue on October 05, 2013, 12:24:11 AM
I just wrap rope around my back tire works good. hepls when there a lot of snow on the road.
Title: Re: Traction control on scooters?
Post by: Vivo on October 05, 2013, 01:11:53 AM
Good to see your old lady finally took the computer away from you Stig.

Stig's out riding chasing a sunset or something....