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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Grandvista 250 => Topic started by: Jenni1969 on August 26, 2021, 03:59:47 PM
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Hi All! I’m new here; glad to have found this forum! I’ve gone through all 23 pages of post and did not find any addressing my particular issue. I am super hoping y’all can help 🙏🏼
Issue: my scoot runs great when I fire her up and ride (temp gauge never goes above two bars, which IMO is a little odd when I’ve ridden for two hrs on the highway and she seems heated up, but jmo) BUT if I shut her down after a long ride (to gas up or cool my ass down) and try to start her back up, she’s a no go. NOTHING, except for the faint clicking when I hit the starter switch. If I let her sit for hours or overnight, she starts right up.
Now this was discovered when, two days ago, I attempted to go on a long road trip to camp for a couple days. Imagine my dismay when I stopped, at a toll road service plaza, 150 miles from home, to gas up and she wouldn’t start. Wound up having to get towed to a service shop where she sat overnight because they were closed by the time a tow showed up 😑
What the service shop did: mechanic found that a spark plug was loose (?) he changed it out, provided me with the old one (which looks new; with no damage) and I got on my way. Home, that is…I’d already missed one night of camping, spent money on a hotel and at the shop and decided the universe didn’t want me on that trip.
75 miles later…shut down to gas up and the scoot would not start. Tried and tried. I happened to be at an auto service station and asked if they could help me out. The “boss” VERY RELUCTANTLY told the mechanic to help me. But, he tested the battery (it was fine) went back in to talk to the “boss” and never came back out. I locked up the scoot and let them know I was going to see what I could do. The “boss” was a dick, and really didn’t want me to leave it parked there at all. He very nastily said “fine but don’t leave it overnight.” I went back to the scoot, took the lock off and pushed her to a McDonald’s. At this point I decided to get towed home. Well…that didn’t happen. After 3-4 hours, and the insurance company finding ZERO tow companies willing to take me home, and me finding ONE that would charge me $600, I cried, decided it would be another night spent in a hotel and I would rent a uhaul to get her home. I decided to try one more time AND SHE STARTED. I rode the 75 miles home, on back roads, at lower speeds, without stopping 🤣 got home, shut down, tried to start her up about 30 mins later to see if she would start. NOPE. Let her sit overnight, went out this morning, and she started right up like she was brand spanking new.
Anyone have any ideas as to WHAT IS HAPPENING?
Thank you in advance, so much, for any ideas!!
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@Jenni1969, sorry to hear this..
my first suspects would be to check, if there is NO SPARK at the hot motor.
-battery connection/ cabling down there (underseat comp. out)
-sparkplug cable
-ignition coil
-compare sparkplugs , old /new what type
-valve clearance
-check and spray all your switches on your handlebar
IF all this is fine you have to dig deeper
-alternator testing
-regulator testing
-relais testing in your front panel
Don't worry about this two bars on your temp gauge, my GD, even at hottest days two up, uphill goes to more than two bars.To test your gauge, take this cable which leds to the temp sensor on your coolant thermostate (RH on your cylinderhead and with a rubber hose on it) off, touch shortly ground and your temp gauge should go until full up.(ignition on)
Let's hear what you got.
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@Jenni1969, sorry to hear this..
my first suspects would be to check, if there is NO SPARK at the hot motor.
-battery connection/ cabling down there (underseat comp. out)
-sparkplug cable
-ignition coil
-compare sparkplugs , old /new what type
-valve clearance
-check and spray all your switches on your handlebar
IF all this is fine you have to dig deeper
-alternator testing
-regulator testing
-relais testing in your front panel
Don't worry about this two bars on your temp gauge, my GD, even at hottest days two up, uphill goes to more than two bars.To test your gauge, take this cable which leds to the temp sensor on your coolant thermostate (RH on your cylinderhead and with a rubber hose on it) off, touch shortly ground and your temp gauge should go until full up.(ignition on)
Let's hear what you got.
Thank you for your reply! I will research how to do these things. Not a mechanic and have never worked on this scoot. (I suppose I should have mentioned this 🙈) But I am sure as heck willing to
Try!
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Good to hear.
Just ask and you will be answered.
If you not sure about mechanical work, write down all your steps done, in bullets.There is a lot of people who are willing to help.
It's easier to support then.
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Good to hear.
Just ask and you will be answered.
If you not sure about mechanical work, write down all your steps done, in bullets.There is a lot of people who are willing to help.
It's easier to support then.
Thank you!
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When you tried to (unsuccessfully) start it you said all you heard was "click, click,click". That implies that the starter is not cranking the engine, therefore of course the engine will not start. If this is so, you have narrowed the problem to the starter motor, the starter relay, or their electrical connections. Is the engine being cranked...or not?
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When you tried to (unsuccessfully) start it you said all you heard was "click, click,click". That implies that the starter is not cranking the engine, therefore of course the engine will not start. If this is so, you have narrowed the problem to the starter motor, the starter relay, or their electrical connections. Is the engine being cranked...or not?
Hi! Thank you for replying!
It is not…
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Have read several times of a part overheating to cause no re-starts until it cools.
C'mon you guys.....which part is it?!
My memory failing me here....
Stig
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When you tried to (unsuccessfully) start it you said all you heard was "click, click,click". That implies that the starter is not cranking the engine, therefore of course the engine will not start. If this is so, you have narrowed the problem to the starter motor, the starter relay, or their electrical connections. Is the engine being cranked...or not?
Think you're onto something Stuo. Me? Assuming no problems with connections, on a 12 year-old scooter if I were changing parts out, I'd start with the relay and then if that didn't work I'd spring for a new starter motor - for these parts don't bother with breakers yards (if they're a thing in the US) go for new.
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@Stig yes,
there where some issues with relais and starter motors, which failed when heated up. Also with a stator coil. But I would start with all the less expensive things to check.
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Sound advice as ever Ruffus.
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I bought a new generic starter on ebay for $39 for my "just in case" parts bin. The starter relay can be bought for less than $20 on ebay, generic but a perfect fit and, so far, is working fine. I have seen an increase in prices over the last year but...grab while the grabbing is possible is my motto.
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@Stig yes,
there where some issues with relais and starter motors, which failed when heated up. Also with a stator coil. But I would start with all the less expensive things to check.
So, assuming I should start with the less expensive things, which would they be? In other words…is there a list, in order of where you start and end, least to more expensive? TYIA!!!
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@Stig yes,
there where some issues with relais and starter motors, which failed when heated up. Also with a stator coil. But I would start with all the less expensive things to check.
I’m sorry. I just read your first reply to me! Assuming this is your list of where you would start…least you more expensive, disregard my last post asking if you had said list! 🙈🙈🙈 thank you again!
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Think you're onto something Stuo. Me? Assuming no problems with connections, on a 12 year-old scooter if I were changing parts out, I'd start with the relay and then if that didn't work I'd spring for a new starter motor - for these parts don't bother with breakers yards (if they're a thing in the US) go for new.
Thank you Neil! Yes we have, what you would call breakers yards, in the US. I call them “scrap yards,” or “junkyards.” ??
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I bought a new generic starter on ebay for $39 for my "just in case" parts bin. The starter relay can be bought for less than $20 on ebay, generic but a perfect fit and, so far, is working fine. I have seen an increase in prices over the last year but...grab while the grabbing is possible is my motto.
Hi Stuo! Thanks for your reply! Were you having the same issue?
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Have read several times of a part overheating to cause no re-starts until it cools.
C'mon you guys.....which part is it?!
My memory failing me here....
Stig
Right! I know in my frantic googling, I’ve seen accounts of this! I also remember seeing someone say they sprayed something with compressed air or some kind of cold air in a can 🤣🙈 and would carry it with them for this exact reason. But, I cannot remembered WHAT part they sprayed and what exactly they sprayed it WITH. 😑
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@Jenni1969,
this cold air spraying sounds a little bit homeopathic to me. Just believe in it and it works. But motors usually don't react on that.
Serious methodic testing leads in most cases to success.
Once again: start on your motor comp. (met-in out)
-check your batt cables
-all other cables too
-ground points fixed?
-sparkplug and cable out and testing with multimeter
-ignition coil/ cables to it
-flood your switches with some WD40 or sim.
-unplug/plug all connectors in your motor comp.
- pull/twist all cables, check for frailed spots
- front panel off, all relais out and sprayed
-bridge your starter motor for running
-check battery tension when motor runs 14+Volts
-all fuses out and check or new
-starter motor out and professional testing
Further from here you need some experience to test your generator.
Tell us what happens.
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@Jenni1969,
this cold air spraying sounds a little bit homeopathic to me. Just believe in it and it works. But motors usually don't react on that.
Serious methodic testing leads in most cases to success.
Once again: start on your motor comp. (met-in out)
-check your batt cables
-all other cables too
-ground points fixed?
-sparkplug and cable out and testing with multimeter
-ignition coil/ cables to it
-flood your switches with some WD40 or sim.
-unplug/plug all connectors in your motor comp.
- pull/twist all cables, check for frailed spots
- front panel off, all relais out and sprayed
-bridge your starter motor for running
-check battery tension when motor runs 14+Volts
-all fuses out and check or new
-starter motor out and professional testing
Further from here you need some experience to test your generator.
Tell us what happens.
Thank you!
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Hi guys!
So I just wanted to touch base to let y’all know that I haven’t been able to do any work on my scoot because I was in an accident and wrecked my car. 😢 once I get my whole car situation sighted out, I will get back to focusing on the scoot!
I just didn’t want you all to think I got some advice and took off!
🙈🙈🙈
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Hope you weren't harmed. If it's material demage only, okay, might cause headache, important is you are alive. Txs for telling.
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Hi guys!
So I just wanted to touch base to let y’all know that I haven’t been able to do any work on my scoot because I was in an accident and wrecked my car. 😢 once I get my whole car situation sighted out, I will get back to focusing on the scoot!
I just didn’t want you all to think I got some advice and took off!
🙈🙈🙈
Hope you are ok and not hurt?
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Like Ruffus & KK I hope it was car damage only Jenni and that you're OK, damaged metal and plastic is much easier (if expensive) to fix than busted up humans!
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Please have a good recovery from your car wreck! So sorry to hear...
Crashing in a car or anything is NOT the normal chain of events when riders sign on to this forum!
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Best wishes for a speedy recovery!
We'll be here, hopefully :), when you need us again.
Stig
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The starter relay is not only the cheapest part but also the easiest to access and exchange. You have to remove the met box, then you will find the relay on the right side of the tubular frame. One of the wires is red and thick which tells you it is the relay. (The starter requires a lot of current , hence the thick red wire). Before you order the relay make sure it looks exactly like yours, don't take the word of the ad, scrutinize the picture. The plug-in connector must be the same. Disconnect the battery first. Good luck. I haven't needed a starter yet, so can't advise...
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Ruffus, KK, Neil, Stig, Crossbolt
Thank you so much for the well wishes!!! And again, for all the advice!
My car was a total loss. That’s ok, ‘cause I’m ok. No one else was involved. It was a freak thing. Anyway, my Honda was nearly 20 years old, had nearly 300,000 miles on it…70,000 I put on in less than two years; she owed me NOTHING. I’m looking for another car now and will get back to the scoot when I’m settled.
Stuo,
Thank you again. Once I get situated with a car, I’ll start figuring out replacing the starter relay.
Ill be back y’all!! ??????
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@Jenni,
before buying check this starter relais (pls see pic)