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2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« on: October 22, 2020, 09:10:46 PM »
I have a no turn on fuel pump.  Anyone cross reference a replacement?
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2020, 09:35:50 PM »
Probably a Yamaha is a direct for the pump only. Stig did that with his Like 200i. The Kymco scheme is pump and fuel gage sender as a unit which is really pricey. Pump alone is pretty reasonable.
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2020, 10:27:53 PM »
I just checked the power on the fuel pump. It appears that I'm not getting power to the fuel pump. Does anybody have a link to a wiring diagram?
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2020, 01:10:28 AM »
Aha! Check fuses first. The pump is turned on and off by the ECU through a relay. What do you see and hear when you turn the key on?
« Last Edit: October 23, 2020, 01:13:25 AM by CROSSBOLT »
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2020, 08:24:06 PM »
No fuel pump during key on, all fuses and relay
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2020, 08:38:45 PM »
Volt meter test at pump/fuel gage sender: 1. 12 volts, no pump sound, pump bad 2. Zero volts or low volts, pump good, something upstream bad. You can use a test light instead of volt meter.
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2020, 03:43:59 PM »
I had a mechanic friend check the unit.  He found the fuses and all relays good.  I have no spark either.  We were able to get the fuel pump to come on with direct power.  When you turn the key the CEL does not light up to check codes manually.  He's thinking the ECU is bad.  Any input?  Suggestions on where to get a new ECU?  Is the ECU plug and play or will it need to be programmed?
Are there any common ground fault locations I should check?
« Last Edit: October 24, 2020, 05:28:54 PM by knukey »
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2020, 05:37:27 PM »
Direct power to fuel pump proves the pump works. You say you have no spark. Does that mean the starter actually cranks the engine over? Is there anything else you can tell us about this increasing collection of issues?
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2020, 06:03:56 PM »
Yes the engine cranks, but checked and I have no fuel pump or spark.  What, other than fuses and relays, could it be other than the ECU?
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2020, 08:39:47 PM »
Well, the voltmeter check at the pump connector may start a troubleshooting path to determine if the problem is the ECU or not. Additionally, a voltage check of the connector at the ECU couldvsee if it gets power when the key is turned on.

I checked mine this morning and the pump runs about a long 15 seconds when the key is first turned on. That would be a good ECU check at the pump. Then do the same at the ECU where the pump signal goes to the relay. Toss in a voltage check at the relay for the power to the switch contacts and the signal from the ECU. That kinda stuff.
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2020, 02:18:36 PM »
Crossbolt,

I appreciate all your help!

He checked all of these points and it all points back to the ECU.  I ordered one.

Are ECU failures common?
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2020, 02:46:16 PM »
No, ECU work good, last a long time normally. Yours COULD BE the first one! Please post your results after you get the replacement in!

Actually, I forgot to mention your problem could be bad contact in one or more connectors...
« Last Edit: October 26, 2020, 01:55:05 PM by CROSSBOLT »
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2020, 07:11:37 PM »
Replaced ECU and it runs fine now.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2020, 07:13:37 PM by knukey »
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Re: 2012 UXV 500 Fuel Pump
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2020, 09:27:11 PM »
Good show! Good to know the sequence of testing to eliminate all the cheap stuff first!
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