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General Discussion / Re: The one that got away...
« on: October 28, 2020, 09:16:21 PM »
I have 2. My 2009 Kymco Xciting 250 and My new in 2016 , 2014 Yamaha Majesty. Owned it exactly 1 month before I totaled it along with my lower left leg. The Kymco because it simply was my first and introduced me to scootering and to you all. And I’m sentimental like that. And if I hadn’t traded it for the majesty, I probably wouldn’t have driven the distance that allowed me to wreck the majesty and hurt myself [emoji23][emoji23]

That Majesty. Man I loved it. I’d head home from work and simply keep going. In ONE MONTH I put 3,000 miles on it. It’s destruction ended (temporarily, I hope) a way of life that I’d thoroughly begun to enjoy.


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General Discussion / Re: User Agreement
« on: October 21, 2020, 01:44:40 AM »
Thanks for the reminder.


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General Discussion / Re: Conundrum
« on: September 26, 2020, 10:51:30 PM »
Forbes, you make some very valid points. And you know from past experience that I am really intolerant of marginal dealers and techs. I recently had a leaky head gasket on a Chevy Spark. Well within warranty was told the head gasket was not leaking inspite of an oil and coolant wet line on the visible forward portion of the joint. I dumped the car back on the dealer since they refused to honor the warranty. This was the GM side of a GM-KIA dealer. You have already heard or read my spiels on scooter dealers.

Many of the problems that have surfaced here and elsewhere with Kymco scoots are intermittent.  These, as well you know, are EXTREMELY difficult to isolate and are fortune sponges for a dealer to find. This is the prime area an owner needs to either hand the tech his bankbook or put on his own coveralls.

I don't want any dealer to disappear except the really crummy ones but riders and dealers need not lose touch with reality. The customer needs help and the customer needs to make coherant input so the techs can fix it. None of this even gets close to some of the crimes against techs perpetrated by dealer owners/bosses/managers.
A TRUE story. We had a customer who had a VERY INTERMITTENT issue. He asked if I could ride with him. Service manager said yes. We rode for probably 30 minutes or more . And the problem didn’t happen. On the way back, the customer said. Well, I’m sorry it didn’t act up. But I’m sure you wanted to get away from the job for a while. at least you got paid to ride.

He had ZERO idea that I got paid flat rate. So, our long ride paid me NOTHING. I didn’t correct him because it wasn’t my place to do so. But I’d hoped my boss would have reimbursed me at least a little. But he didn’t.


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General Discussion / Re: Conundrum
« on: September 26, 2020, 10:45:21 PM »
Forbes, you make some very valid points. And you know from past experience that I am really intolerant of marginal dealers and techs. I recently had a leaky head gasket on a Chevy Spark. Well within warranty was told the head gasket was not leaking inspite of an oil and coolant wet line on the visible forward portion of the joint. I dumped the car back on the dealer since they refused to honor the warranty. This was the GM side of a GM-KIA dealer. You have already heard or read my spiels on scooter dealers.

Many of the problems that have surfaced here and elsewhere with Kymco scoots are intermittent.  These, as well you know, are EXTREMELY difficult to isolate and are fortune sponges for a dealer to find. This is the prime area an owner needs to either hand the tech his bankbook or put on his own coveralls.

I don't want any dealer to disappear except the really crummy ones but riders and dealers need not lose touch with reality. The customer needs help and the customer needs to make coherant input so the techs can fix it. None of this even gets close to some of the crimes against techs perpetrated by dealer owners/bosses/managers.
I’ve been a witness to pretty much all sides . As an independent working with my father, I’ve benefited from the fact that we were less expensive than the dealership AND the fact that many dealers didn’t want to (or couldn’t) fix their older products. I’ve also prided myself in fixing a problem the dealership couldn’t or being able to find a less expensive solution that the customer was happy with.

As a dealership employee, I’ve witnessed the SAME customers who cried broke , questioned my integrity, begged for a discount, a payment plan, or a patch job to tide them over , while I was the sole proprietor of a struggling independent business, come to the dealership and pay FULL PRICE with barely a whimper. But they told the service writer that they wanted ME to work on their car because they knew I’d do a good job.

I’ve also realized that it’s not the “dealership “ that does the repairs, it’s the TECH that works for the dealership.  SOME are excellent, some are mediocre, and some shouldn’t even open the hood.

Sometimes the service writers do NOT translate the problem to us correctly. And they may simply make it up if we ask for more details. Example:  tech : was he talking about a squeak or rattle. I see you simply said noise ? Does he have to drive it over bumps or not? 

Service writer. : A rattle. And it happens all the time.

After 2 hours of chasing a ghost I happen to see the customer and ask him and he says : “Oh, it’s a squeak that only happens after it’s sat up  all night. And it happens when I make a right turn out of my driveway. So you may have to let it sit a while and hit a bump when you turn . My driveway is bumpy”

Hint: ask to talk to the person who will be working on your car or scooter.


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General Discussion / Conundrum
« on: September 26, 2020, 07:27:52 PM »
I’ve noticed many people on this thread who
1. Bemoan the fact that scooter dealerships are closing.
2. Advise other riders to AVOID using the dealership for maintenance or non warranty repairs.
3. Complain that dealerships overcharge for work. (I’m not speaking of those who don’t make correct repairs. They deserve our scorn)

Just a few thoughts to consider.
1.Everyone wants to make a living and feed their families. And their job is usually their primary means of doing that. They MAY simply be trying to stay above water like the rest of us.
 
2. I don’t know how it is in the scooter/cycle industry. In the car industry nearly half of the gross profit now comes from service and parts. So, they NEED the money from service and parts to keep the doors open.

I’m not trying to convince a person to spend money they don’t have or to pay for work they could do themselves. But keep in mind that it’s impossible for the sales alone to keep the doors open.
As for the dealership, yes they should show APPRECIATION to the customers who spend their hard earned money by offering Accurate repairs and convenient service. And they should not try to make all their money from one Customer.
But as for us, we shouldn’t be surprised when a dealership closes when we never patronize them unless we 100% can’t avoid it.

Again, Just a few thoughts...


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General Discussion / Re: This is America, too...
« on: September 26, 2020, 06:57:04 PM »


Middle aged African-American fellow slowed to a stop next to me.
"You OK?"
"Yeah, but thanks for asking!"

He gave me a thumbs up and motored on to work.
Loved that truck when I got home and took a better look at it!



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That would have been something I would have done too. I’ve been stranded before. So I try to look out for others.


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General Discussion / Re: What happened to DRL's and auto-on lights?
« on: September 26, 2020, 06:55:10 PM »
Kansas has the law about if the wipers are on the lights need to be on, still people don't do it. I have seen people drive in heavy fog without lights as well when the vehicle was just about invisible.
I’m glad that with many vehicles, the headlights automatically come on when the wipers are turned on. But As for fog, I guess there’s no way to idiot proof a car to automatically turn on the lights as of now.


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General Discussion / Re: This is America, too...
« on: September 24, 2020, 05:07:46 AM »
I concur 100% but would like to add News media sells hate and bias and makes a lot of money off it not just politicians. Most people that have jobs have learned to work with one another and just trying to make a good living. Retired now but my boss was African American and a heck of a nice guy. News media doesn't make any money off of unity. All they have done is trying to drive a wedge between us.

Sadly there are those stupid enough to beleive them.
Actually, I see both the love AND hate . Neither is a fabrication of “The media “. It simply depends on the circumstances and a willingness to See the best in people because most do mean well and are kind.   
But in getting along in society there is also a significant amount of the following:  A. Pretend not to have heard the conversation you overheard.
 B. Love your neighbor because you CHOOSE to focus on the Good.
C. Say neutral , universally True stuff that will not reveal how you really feel about what they just said when they simply assumed you agreed with them because you were polite.

D. Nodding your head and smiling while trying to change the subject to something less controversial.


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General Discussion / Re: What happened to DRL's and auto-on lights?
« on: September 24, 2020, 04:55:29 AM »
Not all vehicles have DRL's while mandatory in Canada it wasn't in US. I know Chrysler it was an option. Where I use to work we were required to have the main head lights on when we drove.
That’s True. But because USA and Canada spec vehicles are often made on the same assembly line, the feature is available on all the cars. It can be turned on or off by the dealer using their scan tool. I live in Florida. And turned the feature ON on my 2007 Lincoln Town car and my sister’s 2011 Ford Focus. The Town car also has automatic headlights.


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General Discussion / Re: Aren't many kids riding the bus these days..
« on: September 12, 2020, 06:49:44 PM »
The parents were given a choice between online learning and attending classes. When I was at the register of deeds office her oldest wanted to attend his senior year while her two younger kids elected for online learning.

A lot of parents depend on school so they can go to work. Child care is almost prohibitly expensive, if you can find it.
It’s sad that parents have to decide whether to do in person vs virtual classrooms based on Childcare costs rather than whether they feel comfortable with the safety protocols or not.


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General Discussion / Re: Aren't many kids riding the bus these days..
« on: September 12, 2020, 12:40:58 PM »
In Tallahassee, Florida they require distancing and masks. But about 1/3 of the students are doing distance learning. I believe in Some adjacent Georgia school districts they aren’t distancing. They are simply requiring the WINDOWS to remain open. I’m wondering how that will work out when the weather changes. I remember when we had only ONE window that was stuck down, and the WHOLE BUS was freezing.


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General Discussion / Re: Aren't many kids riding the bus these days..
« on: September 12, 2020, 12:34:27 PM »
I haven’t noticed how many are on the busses yet. I’m just glad I’m no longer in that situation.


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I was at work headed to the parts department when I walked by the TV in the lobby. The first tower had already been hit,  and I assumed it to have been an accident. While I was watching, the second plane hit. It was then that everyone knew that it was no accident. Later I saw in REAL TIME when the buildings collapsed. It was unreal.


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General Discussion / Re: I'd like to support local auto dealer....
« on: September 08, 2020, 09:13:09 AM »
$72.00 seems STEEP. They must charge actual flat rate labor time. Most dealerships charge a set amount for batteries that’s far below their normal labor rate in order to get the business even if they don’t make any profit on labor. At Ford, our battery prices are competitive with the parts houses . And our warranty is pretty good. Either 18 months free replacement/6 yr pro rated or 3 years free/ 100 months pro rated. I think that’s just as good as the parts house. Again, I don’t know WHAT they’re thinking trying to charge 72.00 I believe we charge around 20 or so.


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I HOPE their techs get paid well. We get .3 hours pay for battery installation. For a 20.00/hr tech, that 6.00.


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General Discussion / Re: I'd like to support local auto dealer....
« on: September 08, 2020, 09:10:10 AM »
I take my wife's car to the Toyota dealer for oil changes.

Asked about replacing the 8yr old battery, with a battery from their parts dept.
$150.
"Installed ...?"
No, $72 to install it.
I'll just have the oil change, thanks.

Swung by Advance Auto on the way home for a new Platinum DieHard - and tipped the guy $20 for putting it in.

Better battery, less $ and less aggro to my system.

Stig
$72.00 seems STEEP. They must charge actual flat rate labor time. Most dealerships charge a set amount for batteries that’s far below their normal labor rate in order to get the business even if they don’t make any profit on labor. At Ford, our battery prices are competitive with the parts houses . And our warranty is pretty good. Either 18 months free replacement/6 yr pro rated or 3 years free/ 100 months pro rated. I think that’s just as good as the parts house. Again, I don’t know WHAT they’re thinking trying to charge 72.00 I believe we charge around 20 or so.


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