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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Downtown 300 => Topic started by: Nireen on March 30, 2017, 04:32:16 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZDKhY9XyI8&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZDKhY9XyI8&feature=youtu.be)
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Watching this video now....
1. Do the brake pads actually need changing - rear brake pads should last an age. They're quite easy to inspect with a torch.
2. Do you need to take the exhaust off to change the brake pads? Seems a bit extreme.
3. Assuming you do, spray some penetrating oil onto the bolt and leave it for a while. Try tapping the bolt head lightly with a hammer. You also need a longer socket drive - or a piece of pipe that fits over the end. Extra leverage is what your looking for
4. Mole grips!!!? NOOOOO!!! Step away from the mole grips.
5. You need to grip the socket and the small extender with 2 pairs of pliers and kinda wiggle them up and down in opposite directions to free them. Don't worry, this happens to me a lot too.
6. We all have to start somewhere. At least you know when to stop :-)
7. At least the bit of the exhaust that's covered over by the exhaust cover is clean.
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Ha Ha Ha :D No I don't have to remove the muffler but I don't have the proper tool to get into that small place to take of the bolts to the brake. Thank you very much for your detailed response. It helps me!
Watching this video now....
1. Do the brake pads actually need changing - rear brake pads should last an age. They're quite easy to inspect with a torch.
2. Do you need to take the exhaust off to change the brake pads? Seems a bit extreme.
3. Assuming you do, spray some penetrating oil onto the bolt and leave it for a while. Try tapping the bolt head lightly with a hammer. You also need a longer socket drive - or a piece of pipe that fits over the end. Extra leverage is what your looking for
4. Mole grips!!!? NOOOOO!!! Step away from the mole grips.
5. You need to grip the socket and the small extender with 2 pairs of pliers and kinda wiggle them up and down in opposite directions to free them. Don't worry, this happens to me a lot too.
6. We all have to start somewhere. At least you know when to stop :-)
7. At least the bit of the exhaust that's covered over by the exhaust cover is clean.
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Yeah not certain if they need changed. I have 10,000 km on it. I also am not sure if I am viewing the brake properly cause if I lay down and look up into it it seems I have a fair bit of break left on both sides but if I view it from behind the wheel/back it appears pretty thin on the one side of the brake while the other side/pad has lots of pad still.
Watching this video now....
1. Do the brake pads actually need changing - rear brake pads should last an age. They're quite easy to inspect with a torch.
2. Do you need to take the exhaust off to change the brake pads? Seems a bit extreme.
3. Assuming you do, spray some penetrating oil onto the bolt and leave it for a while. Try tapping the bolt head lightly with a hammer. You also need a longer socket drive - or a piece of pipe that fits over the end. Extra leverage is what your looking for
4. Mole grips!!!? NOOOOO!!! Step away from the mole grips.
5. You need to grip the socket and the small extender with 2 pairs of pliers and kinda wiggle them up and down in opposite directions to free them. Don't worry, this happens to me a lot too.
6. We all have to start somewhere. At least you know when to stop :-)
7. At least the bit of the exhaust that's covered over by the exhaust cover is clean.
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What does a Torch look like and how to use it?
Watching this video now....
1. Do the brake pads actually need changing - rear brake pads should last an age. They're quite easy to inspect with a torch.
2. Do you need to take the exhaust off to change the brake pads? Seems a bit extreme.
3. Assuming you do, spray some penetrating oil onto the bolt and leave it for a while. Try tapping the bolt head lightly with a hammer. You also need a longer socket drive - or a piece of pipe that fits over the end. Extra leverage is what your looking for
4. Mole grips!!!? NOOOOO!!! Step away from the mole grips.
5. You need to grip the socket and the small extender with 2 pairs of pliers and kinda wiggle them up and down in opposite directions to free them. Don't worry, this happens to me a lot too.
6. We all have to start somewhere. At least you know when to stop :-)
7. At least the bit of the exhaust that's covered over by the exhaust cover is clean.
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Always happy to help. Go and get yourself a decent set of spanners (avoid using adjustable spanners if you can).
Something like this
http://www.screwfix.com/p/combination-spanner-set-12pcs/46693 (http://www.screwfix.com/p/combination-spanner-set-12pcs/46693)
I think the brake caliper mounting bolts are 12mm (or half inch in old English)
And also get some penetrating oil. Give bolts that are particularly a wee spray before you try to loosen them (leave the oil to work for as long as you can.
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A torch. Sorry, my bad.
A flashlight. Lost in translation :-)
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Yes I know those wrenches just did not ever know their names! :) Yes I have the proper size for the caliper bolts. Yeah will get the oil to. Thanks!
Always happy to help. Go and get yourself a decent set of spanners (avoid using adjustable spanners if you can).
Something like this
http://www.screwfix.com/p/combination-spanner-set-12pcs/46693 (http://www.screwfix.com/p/combination-spanner-set-12pcs/46693)
I think the brake caliper mounting bolts are 12mm (or half inch in old English)
And also get some penetrating oil. Give bolts that are particularly a wee spray before you try to loosen them (leave the oil to work for as long as you can.
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I meant to say 'bolts that are particularly exposed'
Doing to many things at the same time y'see. Men aren't built for multi tasking...
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Do you have a small digital camera?
I use my camera to 'see' in tight places, like under the exhaust. Download pix to Dell and have a look at brake pad thickness, leaks, etc.
I had to chuckle at your scooter how-to video.
Yesterday found oil fill cap dead stuck on my Chevy truck. Just wanted to top up with a little oil. 3 different attempts over several hrs. to get it off. Plastic cap in plastic neck - so couldn't use force.
Was that muffler-clamp screw turning for you? It might require a couple turns, then muffler slides off after other muffler bolts removed. Might not be easy to slide off - but should do. Use an extension to reach that clamp screw and probably do not need to remove the heat cover again.
Hang in there - know you will. (and yes, your scooter does a good job keeping the engine pretty clean!)
Stig
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Yes I have a digital camera and what is Dell?
Glad you enjoyed me and my silliness. :D
No that clamp was NOT turning for me but only stripping. Now I am second guessing that. OMG LOL
Yes very impressed with how the bike is made and keeps it pretty clean. Love that. :)
Thanks Stig
Do you have a small digital camera?
I use my camera to 'see' in tight places, like under the exhaust. Download pix to Dell and have a look at brake pad thickness, leaks, etc.
I had to chuckle at your scooter how-to video.
Yesterday found oil fill cap dead stuck on my Chevy truck. Just wanted to top up with a little oil. 3 different attempts over several hrs. to get it off. Plastic cap in plastic neck - so couldn't use force.
Was that muffler-clamp screw turning for you? It might require a couple turns, then muffler slides off after other muffler bolts removed. Might not be easy to slide off - but should do. Use an extension to reach that clamp screw and probably do not need to remove the heat cover again.
Hang in there - know you will. (and yes, your scooter does a good job keeping the engine pretty clean!)
Stig
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When I used my drill to try and take of the bolt should that not do it easily!?? Why did it do what it did as shown in my video? Do I need to change a setting on the drill to not screwing to something else. :)
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When I used my drill to try and take of the bolt should that not do it easily!?? Why did it do what it did as shown in my video? Do I need to change a setting on the drill to not screwing to something else. :)
If gun jumps/jerks left, clockwise, you are loosening a fitting. If gun yanks hand to right it is trying to tighten something.
If bolt is stuck hard....spray some WD40 or similar penetrating product on, let sit overnight. Try gently next day, gun should loosen it, but don't want to snap bolt head off. If your screw gun has a clutch setting (printed numbers around business end)....lower setting to less powerful twist.
I think your gun jerked your hand to the left, so, yes , you were correct to be running gun to loosen that bolt on muff. clamp.
You WERE loosening the bolt when you switched to the ratchet (silver wrench you were you using) Keep going if is turning out the bolt....lefty loosy....righty tighty.
Stig
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This is the gun I have Stig. I am sure I had it going the right way which is counter-clock-wise to remove correct? Clock-wise to tighten.
If gun jumps/jerks left, clockwise, you are loosening a fitting. If gun yanks hand to right it is trying to tighten something.
If bolt is stuck hard....spray some WD40 or similar penetrating product on, let sit overnight. Try gently next day, gun should loosen it, but don't want to snap bolt head off. If your screw gun has a clutch setting (printed numbers around business end)....lower setting to less powerful twist.
I think your gun jerked your hand to the left, so, yes , you were correct to be running gun to loosen that bolt on muff. clamp.
You WERE loosening the bolt when you switched to the ratchet (silver wrench you were you using) Keep going if is turning out the bolt....lefty loosy....righty tighty.
Stig
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One thing I been meaning to ask as well. Maybe should start a new topic. Anyhow I have been hearing my wheel rubbing. The disk in the back I believe is rubbing and making a rubbing noise. At first I thought it was the front but I think it maybe the back. What to do? Is this telling me I need a brake pad or???
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Hi Ni,
Far as tools go, if the bolt's real stuck you may want an impact wrench, or breaker bar.
http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-heavy-duty-electric-impact-wrench-61173.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-heavy-duty-electric-impact-wrench-61173.html)
is the electric impact wrench I have. It's cheap does the job, & since you have to plug it in will be there even if you need it a year down the road. If I used 'em all the time I'd get an air setup...but that's another story. Do not install bolts with this. Just remove 'em. Way too easy to strip a hole if you install with one, particularly if it's your first time.
https://www.craftsman.com/products/craftsman-1-2-in-dr-18-in-flex-handle (https://www.craftsman.com/products/craftsman-1-2-in-dr-18-in-flex-handle)
is what I mean by breaker bar. They're basically leverage 101, you can even put a pipe over 'em to extend 'em. There are all kinds of them for all kinds of applications. No idea how good the craftsman one is these days. Mine's about 25 years old and was U.S. made back when Sears was Sears and seemed to care about their reputation.
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Yes the video gave me a laugh, but the main thing is that you were willing to try. Most women I know would have a panic attach if they got a bit of grease or grime on their hands. Those socket head bolts on the muffler can be hard to get out. Because they are continually going thru heat cycles. As was mention use a bit of penetrating oil, such as liquid wrench, but what was not mentioned is, after applying the oil, take a small hammer or wrench and tap the bolt rapidly. This vibration will cause the oil to wick into the threads faster. You will need a 3/8 ratchet and as mentioned you might even need a cheater bar. On really stubborn Bolts, sometimes it can help to try turning just a little as if you were tightening it. (to the right or clockwise) I would not use a drill driver on this application.
Mac
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Or, depending on how accessible you can use an actual torch (propane). Heat will sometimes cause stubborn bolts to release, & exhaust bolts are notorious.
Cross your toes and hope you don't sheer one. If you do there are some things you could do, but at that point you'd probably want to consider someone more experienced to drill it out.
Trust me that can be a real PITA (Pain in the...ankle.)
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Awe you all are so darn precious! Thanks alot. I am learning alot! OK let me check out those links now. I will be a pro in no time. :D :o
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I was lookin at getting one of those breaker bars a few months back. I think I will get one cause I could than put my body pressure to it in helping.
Hi Ni,
Far as tools go, if the bolt's real stuck you may want an impact wrench, or breaker bar.
http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-heavy-duty-electric-impact-wrench-61173.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-heavy-duty-electric-impact-wrench-61173.html)
is the electric impact wrench I have. It's cheap does the job, & since you have to plug it in will be there even if you need it a year down the road. If I used 'em all the time I'd get an air setup...but that's another story. Do not install bolts with this. Just remove 'em. Way too easy to strip a hole if you install with one, particularly if it's your first time.
https://www.craftsman.com/products/craftsman-1-2-in-dr-18-in-flex-handle (https://www.craftsman.com/products/craftsman-1-2-in-dr-18-in-flex-handle)
is what I mean by breaker bar. They're basically leverage 101, you can even put a pipe over 'em to extend 'em. There are all kinds of them for all kinds of applications. No idea how good the craftsman one is these days. Mine's about 25 years old and was U.S. made back when Sears was Sears and seemed to care about their reputation.
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Our local college occasionally run night classes for car and motorcycle maintenance. Might be worth checking if anything near you does something similar?
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YES great idea!!! Thanks :)
Our local college occasionally run night classes for car and motorcycle maintenance. Might be worth checking if anything near you does something similar?
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That socket head bolt in the exhaust clamp is about the same as an S.A.E american 5/16th and it is not a harden bolt and as such won't stand to much torque before it breaks off. Why not forget the breaker bar and do the Liquid Wrench and the tapping thingie.. After years of mechanic work, I can feel a bolt that's getting ready to snap, but I still break one every now and then. Sometimes that's all you can do is break 'em off, drill 'em out and re-thread or put a nut on the backside. But I'll bet you dime to a donut, if you soak her down with LW do the tapping, come back the next day, it'll come on off.
Mac
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I purchase a lovely set of long allen wrenches today and bam no problem for the bolt to come out for me. The bolt on the muffler with the bracket. I also purchased a big powerful socket bar. Something with some power behind it for the other big bolts on the muffler. :) Will tackle this in the morning to see how it works out for me. :)
That socket head bolt in the exhaust clamp is about the same as an S.A.E american 5/16th and it is not a harden bolt and as such won't stand to much torque before it breaks off. Why not forget the breaker bar and do the Liquid Wrench and the tapping thingie.. After years of mechanic work, I can feel a bolt that's getting ready to snap, but I still break one every now and then. Sometimes that's all you can do is break 'em off, drill 'em out and re-thread or put a nut on the backside. But I'll bet you dime to a donut, if you soak her down with LW do the tapping, come back the next day, it'll come on off.
Mac
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Nireen/Kat, whatever works, without doubt...
Do NOT use a torch to loosen stuck parts on your scooter !
It is a common practice you are Not Qualified to undertake and consequences could very easily be a total loss.
Please !
I enjoyed your video quite a bit. You are pretty, personable, and humorous.
I would be glad to help you, and could easily imagine others would, too.
I would advise you collect all parts and materials required to do the job and visit a knowledgeable person, or even go to a meet-up...
Address the crowd and tell them, "I want to change my brake pads, now".
Try it... you will be surprised at how quickly this task may be done, in a parking spot of a donut shop!
Wow! Where to start ???
Best thing about cleaning your scooter will be a growing familiarity which contributes to false confidence.
Second best thing will be you will notice changes, and perhaps the beginning of a problem.
When doing such work, protect yourself.
Most mechanics wear nitrile gloves to prevent their hands from becoming embedded with carbon grit. They are cheap.
Protect your knees, and other body parts by breaking down a couple cardboard boxes and throwing them down on the cement to give yourself a little padding.
Also, a piece under the scoot, and newspaper over that to soak up those cleaning fluids and water grease may drip.
You might want to rinse off those fluids when done with water, to avoid a smoking scooter on first start.
IF you take my advice and seek the oversight of a qualified person, you could live longer ! And become wiser !
They will enhance your learning curve and assist you in learning how to identify wear items and diagnose potential problems.
Clean is Not a critical factor for most scooter parts. At least not anywhere you can wipe with a paper towel.
Part of the problem here is you do not even know when you should ask for help. You could jeopardize yourself, and/or others.
You are personable and pleasant. Make use of those traits to ask for assistance/oversight.
I am confident you shall do fine, with just a little help, because you want to learn.
Do it the smart way, push the EZ button !
redk
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Ha thank you very much for your concern and suggestions! I am happy with how I am growing and learning just so you know ;) Very happy and trust me I seek alot of help and truth be a bit to much. The more I go at something and trust me I am not being stupid about it and I do check in with those who know what they are doing to confirm all is well. If I am not sure I take the bike to garage and they look it over confirming all is well. My video's make me look bad but you do not know me or see how I really role. :) Love your advice! thanks.
Nireen/Kat, whatever works, without doubt...
Do NOT use a torch to loosen stuck parts on your scooter !
It is a common practice you are Not Qualified to undertake and consequences could very easily be a total loss.
Please !
I enjoyed your video quite a bit. You are pretty, personable, and humorous.
I would be glad to help you, and could easily imagine others would, too.
I would advise you collect all parts and materials required to do the job and visit a knowledgeable person, or even go to a meet-up...
Address the crowd and tell them, "I want to change my brake pads, now".
Try it... you will be surprised at how quickly this task may be done, in a parking spot of a donut shop!
Wow! Where to start ???
Best thing about cleaning your scooter will be a growing familiarity which contributes to false confidence.
Second best thing will be you will notice changes, and perhaps the beginning of a problem.
When doing such work, protect yourself.
Most mechanics wear nitrile gloves to prevent their hands from becoming embedded with carbon grit. They are cheap.
Protect your knees, and other body parts by breaking down a couple cardboard boxes and throwing them down on the cement to give yourself a little padding.
Also, a piece under the scoot, and newspaper over that to soak up those cleaning fluids and water grease may drip.
You might want to rinse off those fluids when done with water, to avoid a smoking scooter on first start.
IF you take my advice and seek the oversight of a qualified person, you could live longer ! And become wiser !
They will enhance your learning curve and assist you in learning how to identify wear items and diagnose potential problems.
Clean is Not a critical factor for most scooter parts. At least not anywhere you can wipe with a paper towel.
Part of the problem here is you do not even know when you should ask for help. You could jeopardize yourself, and/or others.
You are personable and pleasant. Make use of those traits to ask for assistance/oversight.
I am confident you shall do fine, with just a little help, because you want to learn.
Do it the smart way, push the EZ button !
redk
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Hi Kat,
Your vids are wonderful !
Keep up the good work on them !!
They do Not make you look bad. They show your charm and enthusiasm.
I have learned (the hard way), all the wise old sayings do apply.
(Curiosity and false confidence were the end of the cat?)
When I was younger I loosened a stuck nut on a Very expensive CAT loader with a torch.
When it caught on fire I was unaware where the extinguisher was.
I was saved by a senior mechanic who made a few very quick steps to save the day, and my job.
I would pull the same stunt today, yet the fire extinguisher would be close at hand. Better yet, a helper holding it.
You are obviously bright, intelligent, and energetic. I would never discourage you.
There is a ton of great help here on this forum and it would be best to take advantage of that before undertaking projects.
I did make a suggestion in your other thread, and will stop being a pest.
redk
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Red I can clearly see you mean very well and that is appreciated. Thing is I did not ask for this kind of advise and you chose to write in down in a very controlling way instead of saying Hey Kat can I share some ideas that might help you and keep you safe etc. You had a scary experience and I am glad it worked out good for you. We must all (and we do!) make mistakes and it is these mistakes we hopefully learn from. I don't need someone telling me what to do nor do any of us appreciate that. I have to do as I feel I need to do. It is my journey and I am in charge of that. If I ask for advice I will than take it as long as it is brought to me in a Non-Controlling way. :) Hope you understand.
Thanks,
Hi Kat,
Your vids are wonderful !
Keep up the good work on them !!
They do Not make you look bad. They show your charm and enthusiasm.
I have learned (the hard way), all the wise old sayings do apply.
(Curiosity and false confidence were the end of the cat?)
When I was younger I loosened a stuck nut on a Very expensive CAT loader with a torch.
When it caught on fire I was unaware where the extinguisher was.
I was saved by a senior mechanic who made a few very quick steps to save the day, and my job.
I would pull the same stunt today, yet the fire extinguisher would be close at hand. Better yet, a helper holding it.
You are obviously bright, intelligent, and energetic. I would never discourage you.
There is a ton of great help here on this forum and it would be best to take advantage of that before undertaking projects.
I did make a suggestion in your other thread, and will stop being a pest.
redk
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This is the gun I have Stig. I am sure I had it going the right way which is counter-clock-wise to remove correct? Clock-wise to tighten.
the drill is not to good for taking bolts out, you need a impack drill ,. it does not twist the drill like a straght drill,.
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I thought I had an impact drill? That would solve it than.
the drill is not to good for taking bolts out, you need a impack drill ,. it does not twist the drill like a straght drill,.
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Impact wrench really. Think I linked ya on my HF one for an example earlier.
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Kat, something like this would be Excellent for you to tinker with, imo.
I got this from a graduating college student for $200usd in running condition.
The auto clutch did not release, but that only meant a re-start at each stoplight !
It was a simple repair...
I still have not found the 'special feature' which I shall post when I locate it. :-)
Best
redk
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Ha Ha, I use to drive one of these things when I was a wee girl. :D
Kat, something like this would be Excellent for you to tinker with, imo.
I got this from a graduating college student for $200usd in running condition.
The auto clutch did not release, but that only meant a re-start at each stoplight !
It was a simple repair...
I still have not found the 'special feature' which I shall post when I locate it. :-)
Best
redk
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Perfect !
And it would be my guess, today, if you rode one, you would easily see what an excellent machine they really are !
Experience brings that sort of wisdom.
My message is basically that you should tinker, and learn, upon some other machine than that fine scooter I presume you are using for daily transport??
Such as this prize I brought home today for the price of the tires.
(I must figger how to insert an image from my pc into a message on this forum !!)
I shall play the guessing game on what make/model this 2008 scooter is.
And, bye golly there is a long and wordy tale of great entertainment that goes along with it's acquisition ! lol
Bottom line, there is something very much like this near you, to learn upon, yet you must search for it.
Almost everything you learn shall apply to your daily rider, and then some.
Best
redk
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My message is that I SHOULD tinker however I wish to tinker. ;)
Perfect !
And it would be my guess, today, if you rode one, you would easily see what an excellent machine they really are !
Experience brings that sort of wisdom.
My message is basically that you should tinker, and learn, upon some other machine than that fine scooter I presume you are using for daily transport??
Such as this prize I brought home today for the price of the tires.
(I must figger how to insert an image from my pc into a message on this forum !!)
I shall play the guessing game on what make/model this 2008 scooter is.
And, bye golly there is a long and wordy tale of great entertainment that goes along with it's acquisition ! lol
Bottom line, there is something very much like this near you, to learn upon, yet you must search for it.
Almost everything you learn shall apply to your daily rider, and then some.
Best
redk
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And of course you are correct.
redk
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Hi there Tinker: Is it a continuous or pulsating rub? Is it a soft scrubbing or screeching sound? The answer to these questions will have great bearing on the answer. Based you your description, it could be worn out pads, a warped rotor , an improperly adjusted brake cable or even a loose caliper.
Mac
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Seems I have the right answer to the wrong question??????? I thought you were asking about rear brake rubbing. scuse me...
Mac
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What you talkin bout Mac LOL :) It is gradually stopping with the rubbing since I been riding more. Winter is gone now it is gradually getting warmer.
Seems I have the right answer to the wrong question??????? I thought you were asking about rear brake rubbing. scuse me...
Mac
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Have you recently replaced the rear pads? New pads might rub slightly until they wear in a bit. Surely your rotors weren't rusty? They will get surface rust with a long lay up, especially in an unheated area where condensation can be a factor. But what am I'm I saying, with the way you clean your bike, a rusty rotor would not slip by you. LOL :P As long as you know the pads are good and it's getting, then not to worry.
Mac