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Scooters - Big Bore => Xciting 500 => Topic started by: SylSki on March 09, 2013, 05:03:47 PM
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Kept a trickle charger on so far through the winter, battery stayed up nice. Started it every few weeks, started fine. Went to start today, battery was fine,
it turned over several times , didn't start and than I heard some sort of a wierd noise like something locked up or such and evidentally that is what happened in my thought's to the sound. Turned the key and nothing, lights working ok, tried to crank again, made sure kick stand up was using the center stand and nothing in turning the key??? 2012 year..approx. 2,000 miles. Anyone have any thought's...appreciate it....*%^&$#@*&
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If you heard something? Then it sounds like the starter selinoid did not release or something? And bound up? If it's not that, then it must be an electrical gremlin? Good luck and keep us posted in case it happens to us? :-*
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Charge it up again. I have had the same issue. Turns over, starts fine, then one day, usually colder, it won't start right off and needs cranked again. Battery runs down REALLY fast. Of course. Lights and everything else work, but there's just not enough power to start the bike. One thing I've discovered in cold weather. Turn the key on, leave it on for maybe 30 seconds. Do a short crank. Then open throttle quickly twice and crank again. Seems to be working fine until temperature
REALLY drops. Had the battery checked and they said even though charge was low, battery was OK. I have been using the trickle charger too. To me, it seems to be the battery even though it's just over a year old.
Had a similar problem with an Agility 50. Pulled the starter, checked it out, replaced a regulator if I recall correctly and ended up being the battery in that case.
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sissy mary and urbestfriend........ thank you for the input. The temperature is to go to 60 today and I have let the trickle charger on since yesterday, no start and will let know what happen's. I have been really looking forward to a warm day to go out for awhile. After the input, I have another question about the battery's and charger in these Scoot's. Being new to all this when I purchased, it always gave me the feeling that the battery wasn't very strong. Is this what you spoke about in your reply. Are there higher amp battery's that can be installed or is it just the way it will be? And now a dumb question but I just don't know.....can one jump these unit's or is the amps too high in auto's to do so? If so, with these unit's having such a small battery, it shouldn't be neccessary to have the jumping unit running?? Now this bit has me thinking about...hopefully this doesn't happen out on the road far from home. Carry an extra battery huh !!
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Is it possible or recommended that a starter fluid can be used to start these unit's. If it can be used.... is there a convenient place to spray the starter fluid?
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A battery in good condition should start your bike unless maybe it's very cold out, like in the twenties or so. But even then it should start. How old is the battery? Mine started to have less cranking power after about 3 years, but I have a true gell in it. There are people who sell the true gell and lithium batteries on ebay. The lithiums are not cheap, but have a much higher cranking amp. On ebay motors/motorcycles, type in xciting 500, and in the right side drop down box click on parts and accessories. You will find many selling these items. No place to spray in starting fluid, unless you removed filter. I WOULD NOT DO SO MYSELF. I jumped my bike once from my car. I would not do it unless emergency. I have heard more than once that the fuel injected bikes can be iff'y when its cold out? Maybe it's the fuel pump that takes more juice than carb and crank amps go down???? :-*
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Trickle charged since yesterday afternoon until a few minutes ago, placed an electric heater at the back end underneath and blocked off all sides for 2 hours, went to start and nothing. All I heard was a click, no turn over nothing. Light's all worked so look's like I am going to have a pickup/tow and repair bill...damn...damn... If this will be the nature of the beast, I may look at selling. I should have purchased a Honda or other known brand.
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take that battery to someone who can check it for you. I use Interstate Batteries. they advised not using too high charging amps on a gel filled battery because it could explode. I have more than once used the charger set on 50 amps to jump start. These smaller batteries, including garden tractor variety do not last much over 2/3 years. I thought about ether too, but its not very accessable and I believe it thins oil in the cylinder. I've had six or seven experiences like this on several bikes. I have a Vino 50 that the battery runs down real fast, due to auto. Choke issues.
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Yes, take the battery to an auto parts store.
Call first to find one that has a battery tester for these scooter/motorcycle batteries.
The tester evaluated the battery under load, but the small batteries take a smaller load than auto batteries.
The parts store should test the battery for free.
Charging the battery fully before testing is best.
It may be something else, but usually it is the battery.
scoot safely
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I did as suggested on here....battery out, I checked the voltage (which doesn't mean anything), 13.85 volt's. Checked out a place to get the battery checked, taken there, battery checked out good, like new. So, went into my paper work, I purchased this unit, May 14, 2012. I haven't read the warranty value but am hoping all this is covered. Depending on the problem with it, I am going to look for a different brand scooter as I perviously mentioned. This unit I am finding is not like an earth shattering name as I am slowly finding. Reading and hearing report's of people attempting to get repair's, parts etc. maybe this is a sign I should do something not. I mean I babied this unit, servicing and caring for all of it and a simple thing like this. Yes, can happen on anything but again...as I wrote here previously..maybe it's a sign for me to go elsewhere. This unit looks good on the outside for sure but now I can't help thinking the inside's are a bit cheap.
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Nothing is wrong with the Kymco X500. Just as dependable as any other brand. It could be a simple relay, wire not grounded right. Did you check your kill switch is not on? Bike will not crank if it is. I think a dealer could find problem in a few moments, and you will be on the road in no time. I think something is wrong in the starter/selonoid department? They can hang up. :-*
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Thanks sissy mary. When you say "starter/selonoid hanging up", are you saying this as not a broken area but a reset type work? If by chance it is a broken area, would you have any idea as to what could cause this in a fairly low mileage unit? I am noting here that there are not many X500 reader's/writer's on here as were before. Anyway, sissy mary, again, thank you for your input.
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Ok over 45000 miles on 2009 kymco xciting 500ri. So every winter this has been an issue. However, im a simple man and i keep a battery jumper thing in my bike for cold starting in the morning. After it runs it should stay warmed up for the rest of the day, unless it sita for a ling time.
Still love the bike.
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Being I had the battery checked out and shown good on load, could that still mean the battery doesn't have enough power or AH to kick the unit over? Even when the unit always started, it seemed to me it was a slow crank not having strong power. Would this possibly be the nature of the starter ability
on these scooter's? I guess as a layman this is far as I can go with this and will have to call for a pickup and service. What is this "battery jumper" you're
talking about? Is it a portable jumper unit?
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Sylski...Don't get downhearted. First, my bike is a 250 and both the 250 and 500 are basically similar. Owners of both models tend to flip back and forth between the two Forum subjects. Second, I've had three Kymcos and can't say other than these battery demons have I had much trouble. 10,000+ miles on each of these two bikes. Don't know what the commercial cost is to pay a mechanic, but I do all my own work. For the price of having it done, you may be able to buy a few tools + parts and have fun trying to figure out what's needed. I find the Kymco's fairly easy to work on too. My most prevalent issue was the defective speedo sensor that I put up with for a long time. Found out on this forum it was redesigned, got it, installed it and have had no issues since. This forum is the most valuable resource.
Now forget the Trickle Charger...Do you have a bigger charger or can you jump the battery from your car? Might be a good try, if you haven't tried it yet. By the way, don't forget the Seafoam.
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If his battery is charged up or even a little low it would crank the engine. It has to be some thing else. I have had starters on cars that developed dead shorts and no amount of battery power would turn the engine over. It could be a simple relay or something. TAKE IT TO A DEALER. :-*
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Trickle Charger, jumper cables, chanting, possible chicken sacrifice! Sea Foam.
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I want to update the 500 Forum as to my problem with the X500. First of all, I had the battery out and had it checked as I mentioned. Next, I went to my dealership and they lent me a New Battery to try. That didn't work either. Service came and picked up the unit and it went to the work bench right away and it was found to have a bad starter. Meanwhile !, I went to sales and checked on a Silver Wing and one thing led to another and I traded in for a new
Silver Wing 600 ABS. I don't know if it is proper to tell about my test ride and ride after purchase on here so maybe someone could let me know if it is and I will be happy to tell about what I found. I was leary about doing this but all thought's in my mind and wifes' said to make the change. I want to thank everyone on this Forum that had input to my problem and I guess it wouldn't be wise to come back talking about the new one. One thing I did find out which I was not aware of is Kymco make's all the unit's for Honda other than the Silver Wing. I was told the Silver Wing is their main output only.
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Kymco makes the engines for the new BMW scooters,(the 600 & 650cc scooters). They also make most if not all of the single cylinder engines for BMW motorcycles. The Kymco factory was started by Honda in 1963, and makes quite a few things for Honda also to this day. I don't mean to be rude by saying this, but to quit on Kymco because of one faulty starter,(probably a fluke)? And then to trade your bike in for probably nothing on a VERY over priced and over rated Honda S W. Well sir, your a fool with more money than me! Once again, sorry, but it's true. That's my 2 cents. Good bye and good luck with your purchase. And please don't tell us in future post what junk we have purchased. You didn't even give your X500 a good try before bailing on Kymco. >:( :( :o :'(
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Well, I guess you told me off but keep in mind I never said the Kymco was junk...you did. I had good service as long as I had it. The faulty starter is not the
only reason I passed it on but no sense explaining. I would never call anyone a fool for what they do but than again there are some people that do that. It takes much more of a person to understand things without guessing and commenting wrong but..... All I can say is I've been polite all throguh this and regarded people (all) as friends but I have to go to (-all). Take Care.
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Other than the frame and plastics. My 2009 Kymco Xciting 500 ri is just about a mobile parts bin of Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Aprilia, Bmw, Peugeot, and Gilera parts. Kymco manufactures parts for all of the above manufacturers. My tires were outfitted and tested by weight and tolerance for an Aprilia Atlantic 500. The chassis came from that bike too. My engine shares many of the same set up as the Aprilia Atlantic, my brakes are off a mid 90's Honda Gold wing. The rectifier is off of a early 90's Honda Nighthawk. The switches and toggles are from a nighthawk of the same era. Blah, Blah, Blah. Best part I bought it for 2000 put 650 into it and 6 thousand miles later. I still love it. Probably could still sell it for 2650.
The Silver Wing is awesome.
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Sorry again, (& I am really trying not to be rude, honest), but yes you are a fool for giving up on the bike. IN YOUR WORDS, (It's a 2012 with aprx 2000 miles)!!!! It wasn't even broken in yet ??? You had one faulty starter, (that was under warranty), got all upset and then stated, IN YOUR WORDS, (if this is the nature of the bike or what ever you may have to look at purchasing some other brand). And in your march 10th post you crapped all over Kymco. I order parts and there here in 3 days. Try getting parts for your Silver wing in 3 days! That is the biggest reason why I do not buy Jap bikes. They make to many models and don't stock any parts. The last 2 Jap bikes I had my parts had to be back orderd from japan. I had a Kawasaki that blew a head gasket, (yes the head gasket), the gasket had to be sent from Japan. Almost 3 months latter, and with the riding seaon gone I was on the road again. All this for a 2 buck piece of card board? I should have made one my self. And this was a brand new bike. But do I crap on Kawasaki on a Kawasaki forum to Kawasaki owners, NO. I rode my old crappy, almost 40,000 mile carbed 2007 X500 the other day in cold weather for over 100 miles. It started right up, purred like a kitten, and got 50 MPG. I suggest since you no longer own a Kymco you leave the forum. Good by, & good luck with your purchase. I think the Silver wing is a very fine scoot. :-*
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I think my 500 is one of the best and most reliable bikes I've owned. I had to replace the fuel pump and O2 sensor within the first 1000 miles. That happens to new bikes (and other vehicles) from time to time. I had to replace the starter in a new Aprillia and replace the fuel pump in a new Vespa 300 GTS. Sylski could have taken his bike to the dealer and let the dealer fix it. That is what warranties are for. It's a shame he bailed out so soon. I hope the SW doesn't develop any problems; it could get really expensive.
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I agree, Honda parts as well as the other 3 Japanese brands are very $$$$. The italians bikes are real high to, and getting parts can take for ever as well. Almost every new car or bike I have bought have had some sort of issue with in a short period of time. But was covered by the warranty, and were generally fine after that. I had a new Harley dresser that was a 2 year night mare. You name it and it broke down. A real lemon. I went back to BMW's after that. This is why I never take a new vehical on a long road trip untill it has been broken in, and has had time to sort out any issues like a bad electrical/mechanical part that gives up the ghost with in the first few miles. These things happen all the time. :-*
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Personally, I've found kymco build quality and reliability to be way up there, but more than that kymco just seem to build scoots that fit me. I just found myself in the market for a new maxi and spent two weeks sitting on and test riding a many as I could find. Tried a Bergman, a Tmax, a Majesty, even a Silver Wing - nothing fit me as well as the Xciting, so that's the one that won. The used tmax I tried came close but didn't feel as comfortable. So I'm buying my third kymco vehicle :)
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I agree. My longest day on the X500 was 1004 miles. I never did that on any of my several Harley & BMW full dress touring bikes. That says a lot! :-*
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The X500 was my 3rd Kymco and I've had no problem's with any of them until the X500. Put put thing's straight on this Forum, I never
"bailed" out on Kymco as it was put. I simply went for what I think is a step up for me and not due to the "no start bit". Someone else
put word's down to their own understanding of thing's which were un-correct. Never-the-less it was nice being with most of you in this
Forum and wish you the best with your unit's.
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Thanks sylski !! I dont think anyone ment to sound rude though! I hope you will still be a part of our forum. You enjoy that new honda, very nice machine....... please let us know how you like it! Also I would love to see some pics of it!!!!
Stay safe.......Happy riding!!
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Mrjlube, thank you for that post. I did feel bad when one said not to come back here and had done nothing to that individual. Anyway, I don't mind at all coming back in to talk about my progress with the new wheels. The problem I have is such as I always had with automobil's and that is when I go in for repair's or service, I like to walk around and look at the stock! If something strike's me and I can manage the switch..there I go. So, of course this is the same with my new hobby, "scooter's". I honestly think this is my top buy and I like the new thin's that are included on it. I am 6' 1" at 250 lbs and I need either a X500 or the now SWing. I purchased the unit, went out the door as they had it waiting and darn if it didn't start raining as soon as I got out. Riding home anyway, I had a total of 5 miles on it and didn't get the feel of it of course. I will say, the brakes ABS, I never had and they are really great. I don't want to make comparison's really but one thing I have to mention is that the control especially going around corner's and such is much easier for me. The power is un-real! I have to be careful not to do wheelies! Anyway Mrjlube, much remain's to be seen, I did get a very good deal on the exchange of scooter's being I purchased my previous one's from them and Honda has a great drive on right now..money wise.
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The X500 was my 3rd Kymco and I've had no problem's with any of them until the X500. Put put thing's straight on this Forum, I never
"bailed" out on Kymco as it was put. I simply went for what I think is a step up for me and not due to the "no start bit". Someone else
put word's down to their own understanding of thing's which were un-correct. Never-the-less it was nice being with most of you in this
Forum and wish you the best with your unit's.
SylSki - that was my language and it was never meant to be rude. I said it was a "shame" that you sold your Kymco to change to another brand. My statement expressed a sense of loss that you sold your Kymco. This is a Kymco forum and we hate to lose a fellow Kymco brother or sister. Sorry my friend - no insult intended - only an observation from someone who has had a lot of new bikes with a lot of new little problems that had to be worked out.
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OldScoot, thank you but I wasn't refering to you... I can understand thing's but when someone call's someone a fool twice on a public Forum it's a bit much and it can even be a cause for someone defaming someone as in photograph's. So thank you, I appreciate what you posted.
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I was on 2 other Kymco Forum's prior to this one OldScoot and there was never a problem or ridicule on them. For some reason on this Forum and individual was a bit too free to express his thought's the wrong way. I enjoy the Forum's and greatly appreciate the ability to post and confer with intelligent individual's about our common subject's. I am further enjoying the new Forum I am on and still look forward to running into people as yourself on this one still. Again, I thank you for your word's.
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Considering how rapidly such a conflict of emotion and feeling would have degenerated on the vast majority of other net forums (and I have the psychological scars to prove it from moderating quite a few of them over the years) it's worth pointing out that we are indeed better than that and applauding the folks on this thread for demonstrating it so clearly.
We ride. That's why we're here. It gives us something in common and something to respect about each other. Syl and Oldscoot, if I should ever pull into the same bar where one of your machines is parked outside then it's my shout.