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Scooters - Big Bore => Xciting 500 => Topic started by: Dr. Scooter on January 14, 2011, 02:33:05 PM
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My bike just now has 7000 miles on it and I am thinking it is time to put a belt on it I may Have found a belt locally that may work but I need help making 1027x26.3x30 what does this number mean
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My bike just now has 7000 miles on it and I am thinking it is time to put a belt on it I may Have found a belt locally that may work but I need help making 1027x26.3x30 what does this number mean
Belt dimensions in mm.
Guys on X500 forum say that their belts last usually 20-25.000 kms, so you are now barely half way through.
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Yes, changed mine at 25000km inspection (15600miles). At the 20000km inspection the belt was still in its specified tolerance.
Is there a specific reason or damage for changing your belt early?
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Judging from Arkie's posts, it's because he rides fairly hard. Will you do the work yourself, Arkie? Do you have access to a service manual? There are a couple of washers associated with the variator that you have to put back in exactly the way they come out.
Does the new belt you're looking at have cogs on the outside as well as the inside? If not, then you must not compare widths of the new against the old belt as measured. The OEM belt with cogs on both surfaces must be measured according to a special method to determine if it is worn beyond it's service limit. This is shown in the manual. I can email the page to you if you need.
Of course, you can always just install new belt and not worry about it. ;) My new Gates belt is 1039x30x28 which is supposed to be equivalant to OEM. I found it on Gates' "belt finder". I can't actually find Kymco's exact measurements for their OEM belt.
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Judging from Arkie's posts, it's because he rides fairly hard.
I think there is no significant correlation between driving style and CVT belt longevity.
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I have had the variator tore down myself several times. My bike set for awhile before I got it another reason. Also I race my bike from time to time 100 plus mile per hour ( 161 KPH). So I push my bike pretty hard
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I may have found a belt but not sure yet will do research if all goes well it will cost under 100 dollars (US)
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I think the numbers 1027x26.3x30 means this but im not totally sure.
1027 mm around the outside of the belt.
26.3 mm wide at the widest part (the width will get smaller as the belt wears)
30 degrade angel on the side of the belt.
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PL30071 gates is suppose to be a direct replacement for the stock belt and here in where I live is only 40 dollars american
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Judging from Arkie's posts, it's because he rides fairly hard. Will you do the work yourself, Arkie? Do you have access to a service manual? There are a couple of washers associated with the variator that you have to put back in exactly the way they come out.
Does the new belt you're looking at have cogs on the outside as well as the inside? If not, then you must not compare widths of the new against the old belt as measured. The OEM belt with cogs on both surfaces must be measured according to a special method to determine if it is worn beyond it's service limit. This is shown in the manual. I can email the page to you if you need.
Of course, you can always just install new belt and not worry about it. ;) My new Gates belt is 1039x30x28 which is supposed to be equivalant to OEM. I found it on Gates' "belt finder". I can't actually find Kymco's exact measurements for their OEM belt.
Hoolander, I drove my Malossi belt for about 12.000 km now and the width is at 26.7 mm. Could you (or anyone) tell me if this is still within safety specifications?
The belt is installed with a Malossi Variator so there is a whole lot of extra friction than with the stock variator + belt :o
Please let me know.
Thanks.
Gijs
The Netherlands
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Xciting 500 service manual (chapter 10-19):
28.9mm new belt. Replace at 27.9mm
Belt looks like this on its outer/wider part:
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Extend the flanks
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Dotted and solid line together should be >=27.9mm
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Thanks ts1!
If I check the Malossi website, the width of a new belt for Kymco Xciting 500 (type 6113395) is 27,6 mm. My belt used up about 1 mm (now 26.6 mm). Would this be reason to change?
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Thanks ts1!
If I check the Malossi website, the width of a new belt for Kymco Xciting 500 (type 6113395) is 27,6 mm. My belt used up about 1 mm (now 26.6 mm). Would this be reason to change?
Do not compare OEM belts with Malossi. Dimensions are different for the same scoot.
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I put the Gates PL30071 belt on my bike a few weeks ago. I noticed several differences between the Gates belt and the OEM belt.
1. Gates belt is longer.
2. The Gates belt is wider.
3. The Gates belt does not have teeth on the outside.
4. And my favorite difference...the Gates belt costs $25.
It works fine, I have no complaints. The Gates belt is made in the USA and appears to be a very tough, heavy duty belt. I don't expect any problems from it. But even if it does not last as long as the OEM belt, it is still a good deal, as you can buy 6 of them for the price of one OEM belt, or 10 of them for the price of one Malossi belt.
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Do not compare OEM belts with Malossi. Dimensions are different for the same scoot.
I agree. My question remains if anyone can tell me if my belt needs to be changed. Anyone?
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Service manual states service dimensions only for OEM belts. You have aftermarket belt with different dimensions and will have to go by the feeling.
You should check the belt for signs of tear-wear from time to time and decide for yourself.
In any case, I would not exceed 20.000 kms on it.
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Thanks Axy. The belt wore about 1 millimeter (1 millimeter = 0.039 370 078 74 inch). Would that be still safe?
(btw, what's your thought on grouchysmurf's idea of buying a Gates PL30071 belt?
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If the OEM belt has rubbed off 1mm, it has reached its service limit and has to be replaced.
Read about sissy marys misfortune http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=4095.0, (http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=4095.0,) read JPs advice (working at a Kymco dealer) about non-OEM belts and then decide at your own risk.
Or (as you might understand German) visit the German Kymco Forum http://zzip.de/forum/index.php? (http://zzip.de/forum/index.php?) and ask again.
Imho I know the answer from "Meister Zip" (approved Kymco dealer and master mechanic). ;)
BTW: my OEM belt lasted 25000km after it reached it's service limit.
I know that a snapping belt can result in secondary damage and even to rear wheel blocking and accident.
Guess, what brand I have chosen. (Although I'm not a Kymco dealer.)
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Thanks Axy. The belt wore about 1 millimeter (1 millimeter = 0.039 370 078 74 inch). Would that be still safe?
(btw, what's your thought on grouchysmurf's idea of buying a Gates PL30071 belt?
Q1: nobody will be able to provide that answer for you: typically, service wear indicated in the user manual for OEM belt is around 2 mm.
Q2: Gates seem to be reputable US brand. I have no direct experience with them though. The belt has slightly different dimensions than OEM, this might alter the transmission ratio a bit and give different acceleration and top speed. You have a testimonial of one forum member it works, so you might go with that. Many times I have benefited from some members' opinions and several times forum information proved to be complete bs: for example, I bought wrong rollers for Agility 125 based on that information and broke several fins on the vario face plate trying to block it with screwdrivers which seems to be preferred method of many people online.
I have already purchased Dayco belt for upcoming change on my P250S. So, I did not go OEM either. The price difference was roughly double.
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Thanks AXY and ts1 for your replies!
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I put the Gates PL30071 belt on my bike a few weeks ago. I noticed several differences between the Gates belt and the OEM belt.
1. Gates belt is longer.
2. The Gates belt is wider.
3. The Gates belt does not have teeth on the outside.
4. And my favorite difference...the Gates belt costs $25.
It works fine, I have no complaints. The Gates belt is made in the USA and appears to be a very tough, heavy duty belt. I don't expect any problems from it. But even if it does not last as long as the OEM belt, it is still a good deal, as you can buy 6 of them for the price of one OEM belt, or 10 of them for the price of one Malossi belt.
Grouchysmurf, you noticed several differences in the Gates-belt: length, width and no cooling-teeth. In what way are these aspects positive or negative?
Thanks.
Guile
The Netherlands
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I found a Gates PL30071 belt at www.rockauto.com (http://www.rockauto.com) at $ $24.79.
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Guile - I have about 1,000 miles on the Gates belt, and I have not noticed anything negative. I think the longer belt length MAY cause it to rev slightly higher when accelerating, or that might just be my imagination. Either way, it works fine. Considering the difference in price, I can't justify buying anything else.
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***DO NOT BUY THE GATES BELT!!!***
Yes, I'm the guy who said the Gates belt was fine and it was a great deal etc...
My belt failed today. It gave me about 5 minutes warning by sounding a little funny, then snap!
The belt had about 3,000 miles on it.
Luckily my bike just coasted to the side of the road. I have heard stories of the rear wheel locking, causing people to dump it.
This happened about an hour ago, just took a taxi home. My next step will be to order a KYMCO OEM belt!
If you bought the Gates belt based on my previous advice, please take it off and get the OEM belt. I got lucky that I didn't get hurt. You may not be so lucky!
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Thanks for your quick reply!
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Ditto, thanks, Smurf. Glad no wreck.
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***DO NOT BUY THE GATES BELT!!!***
Yes, I'm the guy who said the Gates belt was fine and it was a great deal etc...
My belt failed today. It gave me about 5 minutes warning by sounding a little funny, then snap!
The belt had about 3,000 miles on it.
Luckily my bike just coasted to the side of the road. I have heard stories of the rear wheel locking, causing people to dump it.
This happened about an hour ago, just took a taxi home. My next step will be to order a KYMCO OEM belt!
If you bought the Gates belt based on my previous advice, please take it off and get the OEM belt. I got lucky that I didn't get hurt. You may not be so lucky!
This is around 1200 x better than new belt I installed in my gf's A125 that snapped after 7 kms.
I think that must be a world record.
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That's weird because I have almost 5000 miles on my gates belt and as I always say I ride my bike pretty hard
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That's very interesting.
It seems that belts are very unpredictable.
I never had problems (knock on wood) with Malossi belts and I max out my Xciting all the time.
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Here's a crazy idea. What is everyone's weight? I weigh less than 200lbs. with all my gear. The reason I ask is that weight is a direct factor to how much horse power is need to generate cruising speed (65 mpg). If you weigh more, that may cause excessive wear on the belt and cause an early failure. I bought a Gates belt (not yet installed) and will end up putting it on when I hit 15,000 miles. I got about 4,100 miles as of now.
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Kymco recommends the belt be replaced at 8000 km or if the width of the belt measures less than 27.9mm or 1.116 in. New belt width is 28.9mm or 1.156in. If you are interested in the oem belt I can do better pricing then msrp (like 190.00msrp). I can do $125.00 plus shipping for the oem belt.
Jenny
TNT CYCLES
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Hey Axy,
What is the Dayco part number of the belt you bought for your people 250s?
Thanks in advance
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Here's a crazy idea. What is everyone's weight? I weigh less than 200lbs. with all my gear. The reason I ask is that weight is a direct factor to how much horse power is need to generate cruising speed (65 mpg). If you weigh more, that may cause excessive wear on the belt and cause an early failure. I bought a Gates belt (not yet installed) and will end up putting it on when I hit 15,000 miles. I got about 4,100 miles as of now.
I think that's an excellent idea. Weight combined with heat may be the answer to some belts snapping too early.
I weigh 176lbs / 80 kilos and I max out my Xciting constantly for the last 12.000 miles.
Let's hear it!
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I think that's an excellent idea. Weight combined with heat may be the answer to some belts snapping too early.
I weigh 176lbs / 80 kilos.
Let's hear it!
Type of riding, weight load and things like that have no impact on belt durability whatsoever.
I would attribute durability and premature snapping only to the manufacturing quality. Nothing else.
p.s. I weigh 240+ lbs, often rode with gf and baggage in excess of 440 lbs total, People's belt was changed at 15.000 kms and was still within specs, no cracks. The same with all my previous scoots. Agility's belts are changed after 12.000 kms and they are always good EXCEPT the one that snapped 5 miles after it was changed!
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Hey Axy,
What is the Dayco part number of the belt you bought for your people 250s?
Thanks in advance
Here it is, see the model on the label: ;)
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Hey Axy,
Thanks for the info, where did buy that dayco 8202K belt from?
I cant's seem to find it.
Thanks again
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Hey Axy,
Thanks for the info, where did buy that dayco 8202K belt from?
I cant's seem to find it.
Thanks again
This particular one was bought on ebay from seller in Austria for 50 % of the regular price. It was a bike shop and the belt was leftover from somebody who ordered it but did not pick it up.
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Has anyone tried the Dayco VC30940 belt? I wonder if it would be the same situation as the Gates Belt.
Here is a link to the one I found (http://www.racing-planet.co.uk/drive-dayco-power-kymco-citing-p-164907-1.html)
If you look at this site, it looks like the Dayco belt is made like the OEM ones.
Here is that link. (http://www.ridewill.it/p/en/dayco-163750880-belt-kimco-citing-500/27603/)