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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: klaviator on June 18, 2023, 01:51:04 PM
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The scooter cannonball kicked off this morning and they are on they're way from San Clemente to the east coast. I know a number of the competitors so I'll be following along closely. I will head out next Saturday and see them come by in person as the route passes just a little North of my house. The cannonball site is here: https://scootercannonball.com/ (https://scootercannonball.com/)
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nice website...I really liked the list of all the bikes that are entered. Looks like the Vespa GTS300/250 is the clear winner for number of riders, followed by the Honda ADV150(?). Vespa, Honda and Yamaha are the majority, by far, of the entrants. I did see 2 Kymcos in there! Strangely, no Tao Tao's?! 8)
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I think that I also saw a single Honda Big Ruckus in QuasiMotard's live feed from Saturday. That is an somewhat rare scooter.
https://www.youtube.com/live/MyKhCx4n9x4?feature=share
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At the end of day one the top 5 scooters were:
1 Burgman 200
2 Smax
3 Super Cub
4 Smax
5 Burgman 200
7 more days of riding to go.
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Klav, there seem to be no kymcos in the list of scooters... Also is 280 cc the biggest scooter that you can ride? Seems to cut out a lot of brands.
Dean
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I did see 2 Kymcos in there! Strangely, no Tao Tao's?! 8)
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I'm wondering why all the wrecks ?
Art
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Klav, there seem to be no kymcos in the list of scooters... Also is 280 cc the biggest scooter that you can ride? Seems to cut out a lot of brands.
Dean
There is a Like 150i running this year. I don't know if its the same one that ran last year and finished in the top ten if I remember correctly.
I can't think of a single brand cut out by the 280cc rule. I think it makes sense. The Vespa 300 which is actually 278cc can run over 80 Mph. If they allowed the big maxi's they would be going 100MPH+ and that would not be a good idea. Because of the handicap system it seems that the 200cc and below have the best chance of winning. The Yamaha Smax is considered the best choice for performance vs Handicap but the Burgman 200 is doing well this year as is the Super Cub and ADV150.
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If I did even one day of those sort of mileages I’d need seriously to modify the seat of my DTX360! I did a charity run yesterday which totalled just over 170 miles and by the end my backside was crying for mercy!
I am now seriously exploring gel pads or a seat rebuild over winter.
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Wonder if that same youngster on the Cub is running again this year. One year (last?) he rode it out to the west coast then back again in the race.
Love it!
Stig
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Wonder if that same youngster on the Cub is running again this year. One year (last?) he rode it out to the west coast then back again in the race.
Love it!
Stig
Depends on one's definition of "youngster" ;)
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Depends on one's definition of "youngster" ;)
These days, for me, that's almost everyone!
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These days, for me, that's almost everyone!
For me:
Anyone that has not driven an original VW Beetle or ridden on an original Honda 50 Cub.
Anyone that did not rush to see what Little Orphan Annie did this week in the Sunday newspaper.
Anyone who has never read a real newspaper.
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Wonder if that same youngster on the Cub is running again this year. One year (last?) he rode it out to the west coast then back again in the race.
Love it!
Stig
He is running again but on a Honda SH150. He shredded a belt on day one and still finished 11th. After day 2 he is in 8th place. This is his 4th cannonball. Last year he finished 2nd.
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For me:
Anyone that has not driven an original VW Beetle or ridden on an original Honda 50 Cub.
Anyone that did not rush to see what Little Orphan Annie did this week in the Sunday newspaper.
Anyone who has never read a real newspaper.
I drove an original beatle. I read a real newspaper. I never rode a Honda 50 Super Cub but I learned to ride on a Sears 106. I had no idea who Orphan Annie was.
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I try to follow Quasimotard because he is from Houston. He is on a Honda PCX150 (scooter #103) and is a 'youngster' by my standards. He had to replace his variator today and is getting a very late start.
klaviator:
I lived in Birmingham (a bit south of you) when I ran a newspaper route on the Honda 50 Cub.
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I try to follow Quasimotard because he is from Houston. He is on a Honda PCX150 (scooter #103) and is a 'youngster' by my standards. He had to replace his variator today and is getting a very late start.
klaviator:
I lived in Birmingham (a bit south of you) when I ran a newspaper route on the Honda 50 Cub.
I had a newspaper route when I was young. I did iy on foot.
Back then a lot of kids in the neighborhood had those lawnmower engine powered minibikes. I wanted one but my parents wouldn't let me get one.
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I drove an original beatle. I read a real newspaper. I never rode a Honda 50 Super Cub but I learned to ride on a Sears 106. I had no idea who Orphan Annie was.
+1 - except I’ve ridden a cub, but not a Sears 😂
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I havent kept up after day 5 of this.
Day 5 had like 120 drop outs , 4 or 5 crashes , 1 had to be airlifted out .
1 guy on a Honda had rear tire blow out and then crashed in a guard rail, broken ribs , internal bleeding.
And hes not the air lifted one !
Ya this wont be anything I will be doing soon.
Then again just riding local is dangerous but add to that the fatigue of riding for hours day after day , more chanced of wrecks for sure.
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Ya this wont be anything I will be doing soon.
Then again just riding local is dangerous but add to that the fatigue of riding for hours day after day , more chanced of wrecks for sure.
They are on their way to Rome, Georgia today. Yesterday a fellow hit a deer and broke his collarbone. Pretty well messed up his bike as well.
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@023 Cannonball Rider Number 57 is Kevin Lean from North Carolina (aka mrklean). He is riding a 2018 Kymco Like 150i.
https://scootercannonball.com/rider/57
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@023 Cannonball Rider Number 57 is Kevin Lean from North Carolina (aka mrklean). He is riding a 2018 Kymco Like 150i.
https://scootercannonball.com/rider/57
And still in the running? Wow I couldnt deal with the suspension on my 200i going in my back roads today. And thats just 5 miles
Been watching Quasi's 5 hr vespa engine swap in the parking garage now
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dang quasi ate gravel at 25mph at the end.
YOu got to watch gravel, heck I get nervous just seeing random pebbles in the road.
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I spent the day on Saturday watching the cannonball riders come by and riding part of the route. It was a very interesting day. I'll post more details and pics later when I have some time.
Here are the scooters for the top 20 finishers:
1. Smax
2. Smax
3. Burgman 200
4. Super Cub
5. Burgman 200
6. ADV150
7. ADV150
8. ADV150
9. SMAX
10. SH150
11. ADV150
12. BUDDY KICK 125
13. GTS300 (2012)
14. ADV150
15. GT200
16. ??
17. HELIX
18. GTS300 (2010)
19. BURGMAN200
20. GTS300 (2010)
A scooters handicap is determined by its engine displacement and its age. Look list above and it is mostly 200cc and less. The larger scooters that finished well were all over 10 years old. For a new GTS300 to place well would require a really high average speed that just wouldn't be safe.
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And still in the running?
Yep and the Like 150i finished the rally.
Been watching Quasi's 5 hr vespa engine swap in the parking garage now
FrankenVespa lives ! He finished as well.
I suggested that they change his official number to "69/8" or maybe "69.8"
Wow I couldnt deal with the suspension on my 200i going in my back roads today. And thats just 5 miles
Ich spreche weder Deutsch noch Tagalog.
However this video seems to imply some parts from a Honda PCX 160 can be used for a Like 150i ... including the shocks. He recommends YSS 365mm Shocks. Might work for the 200 as well.
https://youtu.be/zsyg8JzOFvw
From what I can tell there is little difference between the Kyco Models and the Generic Chinese scoots other than plastic, branding and price. The running gear (drive train, frame, forks) seems to be the same.
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I was impressed that the Honda Super Cub managed to hold onto the 4th place finish, and I believe the Honda CT125 also made it to the finish line.
Art
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From what I can tell there is little difference between the Kyco Models and the Generic Chinese scoots other than plastic, branding and price. The running gear (drive train, frame, forks) seems to be the same.
There is a big difference. The Like 150i for example uses a fuel injected 4 valve motor that I don't think you will find on any of the Chinese brands. Kymco's quality is higher than most of the Chinese scooters but the quality of the Chinese brands vary greatly. The Like 150i also uses Bosch ABS which you won't find on any of the cheap Chinese models. Most of the Chinese scooters still have carburetors.
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Back to the cannonball.
On Saturday I hit the road around 6:30 so I could intercept the first rider that went by. The days leg started in Blytheville Arkansas. and would be coming through North of me starting around 8:30. I rode to Lynnville, TN and figured I'd have to wait a while.
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I checked the tracker and it looked like I would have to wait a while. I was caught by surprise when #555 on a Burgman200 came riding by.
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I raced to get my gear on and catch him at a checkpoint a couple of miles down the road. I did catch him as he was doing something on his phone. They have to stop, take a pic and submit it on the cannonball app.
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I asked if he minded me following him for a while and he didn't. It was a real challenge staying with him on TN129.
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he was hitting 75 and not slowing much for the curves. Then the route went of on a narrow, rough road with blind hills and curves. I wasn't comfortable riding that fast on that road so he pulled away. Then we went through a small town and on to another "goat trail" road. He lost me at that point and I slowed down and rode to Lynchburg which was the next checkpoint. There were a number of us there to watch the riders come through.
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There is a big difference. The Like 150i for example uses a fuel injected 4 valve motor that I don't think you will find on any of the Chinese brands. Kymco's quality is higher than most of the Chinese scooters but the quality of the Chinese brands vary greatly. The Like 150i also uses Bosch ABS which you won't find on any of the cheap Chinese models. Most of the Chinese scooters still have carburetors.
You are not keeping up. The newer Chinese 150 Scooters have the very same 4 valve head, bore and stroke cylinder and fuel body electronic fuel injection. Kymco's Chinese Quality control is sh** ... just look at their service manual for the Like 150i. The Chinese are experts at making things cheaper ... not better. Their electronic parts list does not cover half their product line.
'LiveWire' seems to have taken over the Kymco USA business line(a Harley Davidson electric motorcycle SPAC spinoff). The Kymco US Website no longer even lists their current models .... all they have is some marketing propaganda videos. God only knows how that will work out.
Who told you the Bosch made their ABS system? I would not believe that until I see documentation from Bosch verifying it.
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You are not keeping up. The newer Chinese 150 Scooters have the very same 4 valve head, bore and stroke cylinder and fuel body electronic fuel injection. Kymco's Chinese Quality control is sh** ... just look at their service manual for the Like 150i. The Chinese are experts at making things cheaper ... not better. Their electronic parts list does not cover half their product line.
'LiveWire' seems to have taken over the Kymco USA business line(a Harley Davidson electric motorcycle SPAC spinoff). The Kymco US Website no longer even lists their current models .... all they have is some marketing propaganda videos. God only knows how that will work out.
Who told you the Bosch made their ABS system? I would not believe that until I see documentation from Bosch verifying it.
China makes a range of stuff from cheap junk to some pretty good stuff. What is being sold around here varies greatly. Most still has carburetors. A friend bought a Lifan KPV 150 which a aimed at the Honda ADV 150. I had a chance to ride it. In some ways it is better than the ADV 150 but the overall quality and fit and finish is still behind Honda. Still, its a great scooter for the price. I think my friend paid around 3K OTD for it. It does have a 4 valve head and EFI. I wouldn't trade my ADV150 for it but its a nice scooter.
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there was an old jail museum at the edge of the town square in Lynchburg that was a chackpoint to that's we we gathered there to watch the scooters come through. Unfortunately, when the route was laid out they didn't know there would be a festival going on in Lynchburg and getting to and from the checkpoint could be a little chaotic! I took a bunch of pics.
This couple was riding together, Husband on a B200 and wife on an Smax. She ended up finishing 2nd and he finished 5th. The differenc ein standing was due to the B200 having a higher handicap than the Smax. Shew won the previous cannonball.
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This guy finished 10th on a beat up old SH150. He was second last time on a Super Cub.
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This Buddy Kick125 finished 12th.
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Big Ruckus.
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They shut down the streets for a while for a tractor parade.
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Klav, do they check for engine modifications? Some of those bikes and get some decent HP gains from small mods, like different rollers, bigger variator, or better exhaust system. Also they can do engine swaps, which are difficult to spot unless you know what you arelooking for. Just curious, because when I was in Rome, a lot of young people would do swaps to get around the law...go figure...
Dean
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Klav, do they check for engine modifications? Some of those bikes and get some decent HP gains from small mods, like different rollers, bigger variator, or better exhaust system. Also they can do engine swaps, which are difficult to spot unless you know what you arelooking for. Just curious, because when I was in Rome, a lot of young people would do swaps to get around the law...go figure...
Dean
Engine mods are allowed but you have to report the actual bore and stroke of the engine. the handicap is based on bore, stroke and age of the scooter. keep in mind that this is a grueling ride and mods often make the scooter less reliable. One guy had an aftermarket variator and it failed. He replaced it with a stock one then the belt failed. It was probably damaged by the aftermarket variator. I would not make any crazy mods. Maybe different rollers or sliders and an aux fuel tank. Last time there was a Like 150i with bored out engine that finished pretty well.
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More pics from Lynchburg.
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Orange scooter, orange bag, orange phone. He said: "you should see my underwear" ;)
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The guy on the second ADV150 was from Scotland!
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Great pics thanks.
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For me:
Anyone that has not driven an original VW Beetle or ridden on an original Honda 50 Cub.
Anyone that did not rush to see what Little Orphan Annie did this week in the Sunday newspaper.
Anyone who has never read a real newspaper.
never had a cub 50, first bike was a Honda Super 90, and first car was a 40hp bug