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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: micoman on February 19, 2012, 01:49:18 PM
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Hello Everyone ;)
I bought my Kymco Agility 50 just over 2 years ago now and apart from the starting problems it has done me well. It’s done about 4500 miles now.
I use it to get to work 5 days a week with just a 5 mile trip each way. For safety reasons I use my full lights all the time. To save the battery I usually kick start it in the morning and electric start at night and this worked well for a while.
At first it would take one for two kick starts or electric starts to get going but now it’s more like 10+ before it runs? The battery had to be changed at 1 year which has helped a bit but over this year I had to have the starter switch replaced as it locked on when starting one day. I had to remove the battery connecters to stop it turning over? It was still the same the next day so I got the dealer to collect it from my house. At the dealer it worked fine but after a few weeks I managed to show them the starter switch would not work all the time, so they changed it.
The last few months the scooter has got even worse at starting. Mainly when its wet or damp it can take me 10-15mins to get it going with me trying both kick and electric start. Again, every time I take it in to the dealer it works fine! I have also noticed that when its damp, and when riding it feels like the engine is hunting (holding back) for a few miles before it goes back to normal? . The bike is outside all the time, but I do use an Oxford bike cover at night.
I have just had the 2 year service and its now got even worse for starting with it taking 10+ starts to get it running in all weathers! My dealer was supposed to be picking it up Friday from my work but forgot! I hope to get it looked at Monday so would appreciate any one with any advice I can give my dealer as he can’t find the problem? Says he will try and get it repaired under Kymco warrantee even though it’s just outside as it’s been a problem for a while.
I just checked the oil level today and looks over the max mark? Would this effect starting? Does anyone thinks it needs a new starter?
Any help appreciated :)
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...it would probably be a good idea to get the valve clearance set...
..should be set at .04mm
..sounds like classic examples of clearance being out of spec...
..welcome to th' forum!
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Thanks, Will mention to my dealer ;) (sounds like I'm on drugs!! :D)
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Thanks, Will mention to my dealer ;) (sounds like I'm on drugs!! :D)
lol you must be on drugs if you expect the dealer to help you very much.
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My dealer has been great up until now with him even getting my bike collected from work when I had a funny turn ::)
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DRRUGS? Scooby Snacks...
Just sounds like simple maintenance issues... New spark plug/remove, and clean the carb jets/replace the air filter/adjust the valves, and change the engine oil. ROLL EM
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Just had 2 year service so all done.
Electric start working but not starting this morning but got it going with kick start ok. Filled up with fuel 1 mile from house and then electric start worked. Also same after work at 6pm as in the morning. ???
Dealer collecting tomorrow hopefully ???
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Maybe the auto choke is not coming on especialy on the cold mornings when you need it most. Asda is selling redex at £3 pounds a bottle at the moment maybe worth throwing a few cap fulls in the petrol tank to clean the fuel system through, its worked for me in the past gave my old honda express a new lease of life and made it start first time were before redex it was a battle to get it to run and ride....
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Just had 2 year service so all done.
Electric start working but not starting this morning but got it going with kick start ok. Filled up with fuel 1 mile from house and then electric start worked. Also same after work at 6pm as in the morning. ???
Dealer collecting tomorrow hopefully ???
Sounds like the battery maybe, the short ride may have been enough to give it a bit of a charge.
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Does anyone know if the agility is a dc or ac fired cdi. If it is dc the scoot will not start w/ a dead/weak battery.
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Maybe the auto choke is not coming on especialy on the cold mornings when you need it most. Asda is selling redex at £3 pounds a bottle at the moment maybe worth throwing a few cap fulls in the petrol tank to clean the fuel system through, its worked for me in the past gave my old honda express a new lease of life and made it start first time were before redex it was a battle to get it to run and ride....
kymcos are fussy when it comes to the cold weather mine well turn over fine in the cold with the kick start then after its wormed up the elc works great. no worrys its just a kymco think .just like you have to let it worm up befor takeing off on cold days.
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Does anyone know if the agility is a dc or ac fired cdi. If it is dc the scoot will not start w/ a dead/weak battery.
D.C cdi im sure.
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Most likely the problem then... Maybe>>>
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..its dc, and yes cold kymmis are hard to start...
..valve adjustent makes a big difference, and i swapped out my starter motor with one from my 05ppl..
..it's smaller in diameter, but turns up much quicker!!
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I got to say i havent had any issues with starting up in the mornings even when its near 0°. This morning it was about 4° and i hadnt riden since last Wed but she fired straight up within a second or so on like on the 2nd or 3rd crank on electric start, i cant remember the last time i had to use my kick start. Even when its frosty on the ground and i have ice on my gauges and seat it still fires up easily.
Not complaining, just sayin........
Now of course i prob hexed it and it wont start tomorrow morn :D
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I have not even tried my kickstart only used elec so far and the colder its been the quicker its started which im putting down to the choke being fully on....
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take some starting flued or carb cleaner and just befor you go to start spray a little next to the elc chock it well get in there just enough to prime the start and just might fire up.
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..be careful about using too much starting fluid tho...it burns really hot and can be similar to running lean..
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At the dealers at the moment and they have changed the spark plug again and cleaned out the carb and have sprayed with water to see if its the problem? Starting ok most the time with them so leaving it in workshop tonight and testing Thursday morning.
Hope to get back tomorrow as I hate waiting for buses and paying £5 for one day return trip of 5 miles!!
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ask theam to replace the fuel lines and air lines .some times good clean lines might just do it.oooya gas filter too.
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Got it back from the dealers Thursday and it started ok after they changed spark plug again and cleaned carb. They also tested after spraying water on the bike as I did have more problems on a wet day. Friday morning was dry and about 10 degrees and it took over 5 starts to get it going, with the same after work at 6pm.
Saturday was about the same weather and started first time! and at 6pm again started second time!
Here's what it was like when I could not start it last week.
Kymco Starting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVQhfVa_e5c#)
They did tell me when they changed my battery a year ago they used the higher rated one for the 125cc model.
I also think the starter sounds different from when it was new, its just sounds like its chewing the cogs inside??
Anyone had to change a starter motor on one? How much is a new one going to cost?
Fed up now :( I just want to get it working and then sell it now :(
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Check the starter Bendix first. It sits inside the cvt cover just next to the starter motor. This is the wear part. It may just need a cleaning. Starter motors are about 50 bucks. Less if you look around ebay, and such. It's a simple machine, and the problem you are having is a simple fix. It's just hard to trouble shoot over the net. Happily (or sadly) your frustration will turn into another's windfall if you sell w/ a simple problem.
I've been divorced 3 times... I know about frustration!
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I see you said replaced the plug again.mmmmmmmit just might be your plug wire.find a way to test and see if you are geting spark.
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She's tryin! I think you've got spark. Test compression and the only thing left is fuel.
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have you checked to see if the carb is geting gas.take a small bottle with a nipple on it and fill with gas.then hook it to the carb and see it well fire up.if it does that well tell you its not the carb its eather the filter or the pedcock maybe the tanks not opening up enough to let out all the gas. plus make sure all the tubes going from and to the carb are on tight no air leakes.
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Will see what its like over the next few days going to work.
Thanks for all the advice.
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Try and keep it cranking over longer. Mine would not start with a short crank as fast as that 1st thing in the morning. I dont twist my throttle either, i just hold in my electric start and it starts up then i dont rev it and the auto choke comes in and picks up my revs for me to warm it up. Some cold wet mornings it takes maybe double the time of your crank overs. Try just hold on the electric start for maybe 10secs at a tmie at most. On the odd day if i havent run it a few days it takes more time to kick in.
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If you keep doing small cranks while twisting the throttle and it doesnt start up you will just flood the plug and be even harder to start.Give it one long crank over.
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If you keep doing small cranks while twisting the throttle and it doesnt start up you will just flood the plug and be even harder to start.Give it one long crank over.
I've found that in cold weather not using a throttle works best for starting, while in warm weather, or when the AG 50 has warmed up using a little throttle works best.
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I've found that in cold weather not using a throttle works best for starting, while in warm weather, or when the AG 50 has warmed up using a little throttle works best.
Thats how i start mine too. I just hold the brake and crank the electric start with no throttle, if it doesnt start after 3-4 secs i give it one throttle twist on then off while still cranking and it starts. I do not normally let off the electric start till it starts unless its been sitting a week or so without use then it may take a couple of times to start but it always starts. I would defo try that and see how it does on yours. I f i remember i will try film my start up tomorrow morning and post it up.
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These things don't like any throttle when starting. Cold or hot. Even with my new carb and cylinder it still rarely needs any throttle to start.
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My 2t needs throttle to start, and my 4t floods if I give it throttle. I can't start either one drunk.
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My 2t needs throttle to start, and my 4t floods if I give it throttle. I can't start either one drunk.
Good thing.
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Glad you got my back Bro!
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...i cant remember.....
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Whatever are you referring to?
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..whatever i have to do to fire my kymmi.....it's never the same...
???
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gots ya!
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Its better! Started great on Sat and Monday morning but 5 times plus at night. Ok again Tues and tonight was ok.
Weather is getting better so may be helping. Will see what its like when we get rain.
Thanks, guys, will try no throttle.
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My 2t needs throttle to start, and my 4t floods if I give it throttle. I can't start either one drunk.
Very good thing!
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Foe ShoooW
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I pressed the start button on my Kymco Monday morning and it jammed on!!
Even after turning the ignition off and removing the key, the starter was still turning over?? I had to disconnect the positive battery terminal to get it to stop!
This is the second time this has happened in the last year, and when the dealer collects the bike and connects the battery there is no problem?? I left it 24 hours and when I connected the battery again it turned over with no key?? Dealer collects bike after another 24 hours and works fine?
Does anyone have any ideas whats wrong? Would changing the starter motor fix it? I just to get it working so I can sell it now as I have had enough of these problems :(
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It's either the switch is sticking inside (wd40 will clear it) or the relay is arching shut. Get a new Bosch 30 amp relay to replace your OEM (much cheaper, and in all auto parts stores)
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Contacted Kymco UK directly and they are also saying its an intermittently sticking starter relay and will send my dealer a new one today and replace it under warranty!
Hope this sorts it?
Getting my bike back today as its working at the moment and I hate buses!! and will take it back to dealer next Thursday when on my day off.
Thanks for the replys
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Keep us informed Micoman... It's one big scooting family up in here... Every post helps (except most of mine, and all of Axy's)
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Every post helps (except most of mine, and all of Axy's)
LMAO.. :D :-X
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:D :D :D
+1 for zombie
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I am AWESOME at Price is Right (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MywMWgTq4#)
Yeah I know
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That wasn't the same this 2nd time w/o good 'ol Bob.. ;) :D (I'd like them girls myself.. :D)
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Drew is morphing into Bob. That boy has REAL issues...
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I have my Kymco back now after the starter relay replacement and it has been better but not great! Starts ok about 90% of the time.
If I get it to start on the first try its fine, its just if I dont it then has troubles?
It had not been run for a few days and then I went out on a hot sunny day to start it. It did not start on the first attempt so I gave it a little longer before flicking the throttle a little but still no good? I then needed to run it for a good 5 seconds and then flick the throttle before it finally started?
I also noticed that when it has just started, if I try and open the throttle it sounds like its going to stall?
The trouble is when I leave it with the dealer and they test it, it starts fine? I'm starting to think its just me? I am a left hander and usually hold the left brake to start it as holding the right is a little awkward for me. I have now switched back to the right brake as it seems to help with starting.
Did I mention before the oil looks a bit high on the dip stick, could that be a problem?
Once its running for a while it runs well though.
I'm trying to sell it at the moment so its not going to look good if it does not start first time!!
Any advise appreciated:)
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Use a baster/syringe to remove the excess oil. It can cause a Hydro lok. You may just need to crank the starter a few seconds longer. They NEED rpm's to fire. Low rpm=low spark. Just crank till it is Really running.