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Title: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on September 14, 2019, 02:25:28 PM
The stock LIKE200i fuel pump has "no serviceable parts" according to my manual.
The 0 ring is supposed to be replaced each time you remove the pump from the tank.
No one sells the giant 0 ring - it is attached to the new $+200 pump assembly.

The pump must be eased out of the tank with some effort (like a cork in a bottle) and I returned it with a bit of silicone lube all
around.  Taking the measurements of the stock pump and after a phone contact with the tech. - I purchased a replacement 30mm HIGHFLOW pump. (ebay add said it would fit a Suzuki motorcycle) It's been working great in my 2012 LIKE200i for 9 years.

This one? Pumps have changed since my installation. Phone or email to confirm the size for fitting into KYMCO holder. 30mm X 70mm
https://www.highflowfuel.com/i-28316344-quantum-intank-efi-fuel-pump-for-hyosung-ms3-250-scooter-2010-2020-replaces-hyosung-15100hp8800.html (https://www.highflowfuel.com/i-28316344-quantum-intank-efi-fuel-pump-for-hyosung-ms3-250-scooter-2010-2020-replaces-hyosung-15100hp8800.html)

Basically 'plug-and-play' Take a photo if need be to get all connections back in proper places.
Match the wires and hoses, place in the stock KYMCO pump holder and reinsert it back into the tank. Bolt it up and check for leaks.
(https://i.postimg.cc/y8WQk4PH/00000000.jpg)

All kinds of pumps are available - I paid a bit more for the HighFlow as I don't want to repeat this procedure!(https://i.postimg.cc/2ybdCrYc/000000.jpg)

Stock pump is in this metal and plastic holder.....which you will re-use!
(https://i.postimg.cc/9QFzVYy4/0.jpg)

New HighFlow pump installed in holder.
(https://i.postimg.cc/V6MXMWGf/000.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/T3L1pYHG/00.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8Ck1LpZj/0000.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/x8v7sHCY/00000.jpg)

(This has been edited following loss of photos in orig. post)

Questions??

Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: JJJoseph on September 14, 2019, 10:50:11 PM
The O-rings are available from hydraulic parts service shops like Freudenberg Seals: http://or.ecatalog-na.fst.com/catalog/OR.htm?_ga=2.111495235.632739621.1568500950-1098743817.1568500950 (http://or.ecatalog-na.fst.com/catalog/OR.htm?_ga=2.111495235.632739621.1568500950-1098743817.1568500950)

They're all over the world, they have a list of dealers on the above website.
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on September 14, 2019, 11:48:23 PM
The O-rings are available from hydraulic parts service shops like Freudenberg Seals: http://or.ecatalog-na.fst.com/catalog/OR.htm?_ga=2.111495235.632739621.1568500950-1098743817.1568500950 (http://or.ecatalog-na.fst.com/catalog/OR.htm?_ga=2.111495235.632739621.1568500950-1098743817.1568500950)

They're all over the world, they have a list of dealers on the above website.
Thanks, if mine ever leaks I'll visit them.
Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: lcac_man on November 23, 2019, 10:06:04 PM
I have the exact same scooter as you and made the mistake of letting it sit for a year. Initially it fired right up and I took it for a short 3 mile test drive, at the last 1/4mile it almost didn't make it. The fuel pump was kicking on as it should and I pulled the line and flow looked good, I assumed there was some varnishing in the injector and replaced it  (fyi you can get them on ali express for less than $30) but after installing it the problem remained (would fire up but no power then would slowly deteriorate idle and die). I cut the supply hose to the injector and installed a pressure gauge (which is what I should have done to start with) and found that I only had about 22psi.  Searching for a new pump brought me to this thread (so thanks) I'm contacting the vendor to be sure the newer model will still work before ordering.
Here's the link to the injector if anyone needs it: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32880547383.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.52f44c4ddiKsJ6 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32880547383.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.52f44c4ddiKsJ6)

Also a little more info, when I pulled the pump apart today, I think the entire problem was the poor quality rubber hose they used inside the tank, it was completely deteriorated and obviously leaking through the hose itself, had I caught that before I pulled it all apart I probably could have just put a new section of hose on it...but, the filter element was also deteriorating and falling apart so it probably ingested some of that too..
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: monkeybongos on November 24, 2019, 07:17:25 PM
At the risk of sounding like a clueless dope, how do you know when the fuel pump needs replacing?
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on November 24, 2019, 07:39:15 PM
My reply is that for 99% of us, neither the fuel pump nor its filter, will ever need replacing or servicing for the life of our ownership.
Use decent gas, check the valves, replace the plug, and change the oil - and you'll be good for many miles and years.
The LIKE200i is one Kymco model which gives the owner years of reliable riding.

Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: scooterfan on November 25, 2019, 06:08:31 AM
My reply is that for 99% of us, neither the fuel pump nor its filter, will ever need replacing or servicing for the life of our ownership.
Use decent gas, check the valves, replace the plug, and change the oil - and you'll be good for many miles and years.
The LIKE200i is one Kymco model which gives the owner years of reliable riding.

Stig

Just as a matter of interest - to my understanding the filter element on Icac_man’s fuel pump was falling apart within 6 years (2013 model).
Are loose filter elements available , or does it mean the complete unit needs to be replaced because loose filter elements are not available ?


Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on November 25, 2019, 03:01:47 PM
Just as a matter of interest - to my understanding the filter element on Icac_man’s fuel pump was falling apart within 6 years (2013 model).
Are loose filter elements available , or does it mean the complete unit needs to be replaced because loose filter elements are not available ?



As you can see from the above photos - filter is separate from the pump - and must be attached. So, would imagine these can be found if needed.
I've only had 4 different scooters, from 4 different major manufacturers* - and none of the service manuals which accompanied the scooters mention the fuel filter in the periodic maintenance schedule.

Stig
* Honda, Suzuki, Piaggio, Kymco
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: lcac_man on November 25, 2019, 11:35:00 PM
a good portion of the deterioration is my fault, had I regularly kept fresh gas in it I doubt this would have been a problem for quite a longer while. The rubber hose that jumps the actual pump output to the tank outlet port may be the caveat to that, it was extremely gummy and I could pull it apart with my fingers...maybe just a bad batch of hose..
You can see in the picture some of the remaining "screen" material laying on the bench, all of this just fell off the filter as soon as it was removed from the tank and dried a bit.
Also added a picture of what remains of the jumper hose..
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: lcac_man on December 01, 2019, 04:37:31 PM
Quantum HFP-389-U fuel pump installed yesterday and works great.
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on December 01, 2019, 08:17:02 PM
Quantum HFP-389-U fuel pump installed yesterday and works great.
Good deal.
I think HighFlow is now Quantum.
In any event. ..I also did not go with the cheapest pump out there.
Glad you got it running again.
Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: lcac_man on December 02, 2019, 01:13:33 PM
I'm grateful for your original post...it made finding a new pump much easier!
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on December 02, 2019, 01:42:21 PM
I'm grateful for your original post...it made finding a new pump much easier!
Thanks!
Lest my OP is understood to be an
 ongoing problem with the LIKE200I fuel pumps....

Backstory:
1) Not good dealer support
2) my 2012 (made) LIKE200iLX developed bad stumble when cruising at steady 30mph.
3) dealer couldn't reproduce it
4) I started replacing parts, incl fuel pump
5) Kymco diagnostic tool lent me, by Crossbolt, proved TPS faulting
6) Kymco customer representative told dealer to buy the Diagnostic Tool and put a new Throttle Body in my scooter . Under warranty. Free. Whole process took months.

7) great running scooter for 6 yrs!

Yes, perfectly good orig Kymco fuel pump in drawer...alongside an injector & a coil.😊

Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: JJJoseph on December 08, 2019, 09:49:56 AM

6) Kymco customer representative


Where does the average Kymco owner find a "Kymco customer representative"?
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on December 08, 2019, 05:08:48 PM
Where does the average Kymco owner find a "Kymco customer representative"?
From KYMCOUSA web page use the "contact" info to -
Fax, phone, write or email.

Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: whiskers626 on April 17, 2020, 09:05:59 AM
I have the exact same scooter as you and made the mistake of letting it sit for a year. Initially it fired right up and I took it for a short 3 mile test drive, at the last 1/4mile it almost didn't make it. The fuel pump was kicking on as it should and I pulled the line and flow looked good, I assumed there was some varnishing in the injector and replaced it  (fyi you can get them on ali express for less than $30) but after installing it the problem remained (would fire up but no power then would slowly deteriorate idle and die). I cut the supply hose to the injector and installed a pressure gauge (which is what I should have done to start with) and found that I only had about 22psi.  Searching for a new pump brought me to this thread (so thanks) I'm contacting the vendor to be sure the newer model will still work before ordering.
Here's the link to the injector if anyone needs it: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32880547383.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.52f44c4ddiKsJ6 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32880547383.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.52f44c4ddiKsJ6)

Also a little more info, when I pulled the pump apart today, I think the entire problem was the poor quality rubber hose they used inside the tank, it was completely deteriorated and obviously leaking through the hose itself, had I caught that before I pulled it all apart I probably could have just put a new section of hose on it...but, the filter element was also deteriorating and falling apart so it probably ingested some of that too..

Same here pulled the pump and the little piece of hose was like Mush, also the filter element was braking apart, any ideas on the size of that little hose inside the tank?
Thanks
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: ron4mac on May 14, 2020, 03:06:12 PM
I need a new fuel pump for my 2015 200i. I contacted an area dealer that has some Kymcos but the only thing they could offer is the entire assembly for $200. And, at this point, I'm questioning the reliability of the OEM pump, anyway. Does anyone have any information about which Quantum replacement would work out for me? Do you think the ones used above for a 2012 would still be just fine with a 2015?

Thanks much for the info in this thread and any help that you can provide.
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on May 14, 2020, 04:50:43 PM
Please, how did you figure out you needed a new pump? Just very curious here.
And yes, this  fuel pump will work with all 1st gen Like200i. ....these scoots have changed very little over 10 years.
The LIKE200i is a super scoot at a bargain price.
Apparently, letting them rot in today's fuel is not good for that rubber line in the tank. Never a problem with mine. ..but scoot has never sat idle.
. Drain the tank if parking for a year, or more.
Fuel line in the tank can be replaced for $2 if it's gone bad.
Major Tom
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: ron4mac on May 14, 2020, 05:17:58 PM
Please, how did you figure out you needed a new pump? Just very curious here.

It's at my seasonal home in FL and so goes long times without being run. I have always used ethanol-free. I have had problems getting it to start when putting it back in service. The battery is on a tender over the summer in the garage. Because I had read somewhere that, if the battery is marginal, it won't start, I've replaced the battery on two occasions. Still had problems but it eventually started. I had started forging an idea that the fuel pump could be acting up ... running okay once its a$$ was kicked.

Now it just won't start. If I blow hard into the gas tank, it starts for a second. When I turn on the key, I hear a quiet clicky/thunky sound but no whir. I'm a little short on tools here, but I'm fixing that and opening it up this weekend.

Could you please, with your expertise, point me at some specific products that I should consider?

Thanks for replying.
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on May 15, 2020, 04:39:09 PM
The LIKE200i is about as bullet proof a scooter a Kymco makes.
i think we had one fuel pump failure on a LIKE200i. Nothing wrong with the LIKE200i fuel pumps.

There have been two reported cases of a rotted fuel line attached to the pump, in the tank bottom. Both LIKE's sat unused.
What that does to the down-stream injector is unknown. There is no filter between the pump and the injector. The filter is on the pick-up end of the pump.

If you pull the fuel pump assembly and find a rotted line - you may be able to replace the line and get it going again....or it may have fouled the injector, too.

To check for a failed pump and/or the cut-off relay - you could use a simple multimeter and the specs and instructions from a www.cyclepedia.com (http://www.cyclepedia.com) service manual for the LIKE200i.

Blowing into the tank makes your scooter start for a moment? This seems to me to be a fuel delivery problem involving the pump, the line, or the injector.

Here's an as yet unsolved starting saga with a LIKE200i like yours.
Please have a look at :
https://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=28547.0 (https://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=28547.0)

Please let us know what you find - and feel free to ask any questions - I'm a big fan of this scooter and hate to see the rare one which has a problem!

Stig/Major Tom
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: ron4mac on May 16, 2020, 04:37:23 PM
Well, I got the fuel pump out. It was more difficult than I had expected getting the whole assembly out. I had to use a pry bar. Will definitely use some silicone lube when putting it back together. Was surprised to find the slide on leads soldered to the pump. They weren't too well soldered and I was able to convince them off without desoldering. The strainer is quite rusty looking. I guess I should have been smart enough to maybe have had the tank full while it sits for 6 months at a time.

The folks at Quantum Fuel Systems asked for specs and pictures and will, hopefully, be recommending a replacement for me.
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on May 16, 2020, 09:09:57 PM
Well, I got the fuel pump out. It was more difficult than I had expected getting the whole assembly out. I had to use a pry bar. Will definitely use some silicone lube when putting it back together. Was surprised to find the slide on leads soldered to the pump. They weren't too well soldered and I was able to convince them off without desoldering. The strainer is quite rusty looking. I guess I should have been smart enough to maybe have had the tank full while it sits for 6 months at a time.

The folks at Quantum Fuel Systems asked for specs and pictures and will, hopefully, be recommending a replacement for me.
OK, good deal.
Yeah, I had to persuade the assembly out, too!
I just measured my pump and went winging for one the same size - found one for a Yamaha motorcycle. Sounded about right. And has worked great for 7 years. There was nothing the matter with my Kymco pump - but I wasn't much of a mechanic at the time to know that. It's resting comfortably in my parts drawer....along with a perfectly fine injector.

They should be able to fix you up. Hopefully that will get you going again!
Major Tom
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: ron4mac on May 23, 2020, 12:50:41 AM
Sent specs and pics to CS but they pointed me to something completely inappropriate. Tried the Quantum HFP-390-U because I couldn't find the HFP-389-U on the Quantum (Highflow) website. Didn't like the fit of the HFP-390-U ... mostly because of a very smooth output port with no barb. Went to their website again and discovered that the search feature is narrow unless you have nothing selected further down regarding a vehicle. This time I found the HFP-389-U and ordered it. Customer service was very good regarding return and refund for the 390.

Carefully soldered the leads to the pump and reassembled. One of the hardest parts of reassembly was getting the stupid little star clip onto the nub to secure the filter. ::)

Almost seems to run better now with the new pump.
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on May 23, 2020, 11:18:14 AM
Sent specs and pics to CS but they pointed me to something completely inappropriate. Tried the Quantum HFP-390-U because I couldn't find the HFP-389-U on the Quantum (Highflow) website. Didn't like the fit of the HFP-390-U ... mostly because of a very smooth output port with no barb. Went to their website again and discovered that the search feature is narrow unless you have nothing selected further down regarding a vehicle. This time I found the HFP-389-U and ordered it. Customer service was very good regarding return and refund for the 390.

Carefully soldered the leads to the pump and reassembled. One of the hardest parts of reassembly was getting the stupid little star clip onto the nub to secure the filter. ::)

Almost seems to run better now with the new pump.

Did you happen to take a photo of your assembled  pump?
Glad you got your LIKE sorted.
Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: ron4mac on May 23, 2020, 06:54:36 PM
Did you happen to take a photo of your assembled  pump?
No, I didn't ... probably should have. But all your photos are so good I didn't feel the need to. 8)
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: bxc on April 01, 2022, 05:43:20 AM
Stig - I am experimenting with replacing the fuel pump to see if it fixes the sputtering on my wife's Kymco Like. Question before I proceed: Did you have to solder the wires to the new pump?
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on April 01, 2022, 08:21:41 AM
Stig - I am experimenting with replacing the fuel pump to see if it fixes the sputtering on my wife's Kymco Like. Question before I proceed: Did you have to solder the wires to the new pump?
No. They were tight spade connectors if memory serves. I do not own a soldering iron, or gun.
Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: kjems on October 11, 2022, 10:16:26 AM
Thankyou so much for this !

Just replaced my original fuelpump after problems with fall outs in both idle and driving state. And it worked - now runs perfectly again!!!!!

Replaced it with this MTM fuelpump -  https://www.ebay.com/itm/394052084353

Had only one problem, that the electric spade connectors was impossible to disconnect from old pump - my feeling was, that they were soldered somehow and I ended of braking them. But i was able to get them of the cables and crimp two new ones on, that i got from the local mechanic. Apart from that no problems and I would really recommend disconnecting the pump or the battery to be shure not to get any surprising sparks when working right next to that big open hole to the gastank.

Thanks again - i cant explain how good it feels to discover a problem, and then solve it with help from this forum!



Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Neil955i on October 11, 2022, 11:36:59 AM

Thanks again - i cant explain how good it feels to discover a problem, and then solve it with help from this forum!

One of the main raisons d'etre for the forum.  Well that and the warm glow you get when another Kymco rider fixes their issue!
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: kjems on October 11, 2022, 11:39:44 AM
One of the main raisons d'etre for the forum.  Well that and the warm glow you get when another Kymco rider fixes their issue!

Exactly - basically what the internet was meant to be back in the days  :)
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on October 11, 2022, 03:29:59 PM
Exactly - basically what the internet was meant to be back in the days  :)

W e l l.....I'm going to go make a coffee!
Thanks for the feedback!

Kinda cool how many fuel pumps will work in our LIKE's.
Mine was for a Yamaha motorcycle. My scooter wasn't running right - figured I had nothing to lose since the dealer couldn't fix it X 3!

Yeah, good point.... hope I disconnected the battery years ago when I did the swap.

Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: JJJoseph on December 29, 2022, 08:56:54 PM


Apparently, letting them rot in today's fuel is not good for that rubber line in the tank.
When sorting out carb/fuel problems with old cars, the fuel-injection techs pointed out that ethanol is the real villain in most similar problems.  It's the reason you can't use mo-gas in airplanes, for example.  Most new fuel systems are engineered to resist ethanol rot, so it's possible that the older Kymcos may be using old-style neoprene lines and gaskets instead of the newer (ethanol-proof) Viton gaskets and O-rings (https://www.calpaclab.com/viton-chemical-compatibility-chart/)  FAA doesn't allow ethanol in av-gas, but it's not easy to get; if you've ever used  car gas with ethanol, it's too late.  You have to take it all apart and start again!
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on December 29, 2022, 11:19:36 PM
When sorting out carb/fuel problems with old cars, the fuel-injection techs pointed out that ethanol is the real villain in most similar problems.  It's the reason you can't use mo-gas in airplanes, for example.  Most new fuel systems are engineered to resist ethanol rot, so it's possible that the older Kymcos may be using old-style neoprene lines and gaskets instead of the newer (ethanol-proof) Viton gaskets and O-rings (https://www.calpaclab.com/viton-chemical-compatibility-chart/)  FAA doesn't allow ethanol in av-gas, but it's not easy to get; if you've ever used  car gas with ethanol, it's too late.  You have to take it all apart and start again!
Your opposition to EFI is well documented here JJJ - but most of us love it, and have had no issues with it or with ethanol laced fuel in our EFI vehicles.
We've another very veteran two wheel rider who has used the normal pump gas (w/ethanol) ,which we all have easy access to, in his EFI bikes and scooters for years with no problems.
The LIKE seemed to be fitted with a fuel line from a small batch sourced by the manufacture around the year 2012.
"Small batch"? - yes because the reported issues with this line have been very very few and seem limited to that era.
I see no reason to be concerned about ethanol fuel in any of our EFI vehicles.
My dealer certainly does not warn customers to go in search of ethanol free gas - they fill your first tank with SHELL regular down the block.
I'm no expert - but there are many vehicles in my area fitted with EFI and there are no ethanol free pumps in this town....thousands are not walking while their cars are lined up at repair shops, nor are cars and motorbikes lined up down at the marina.


Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: JJJoseph on December 31, 2022, 05:07:53 AM
Your opposition to EFI is well documented here JJJ - but most of us love [the Like 200]

Stig
I appreciate your lectures, Major, but I'm not simply being a clueless old goat.  We all recognize there's some kind of problem, and the users here are kind enough to share their knowledge and their attempts to solve problems.  I'm here sharing what I know and I bring good information.  You may not like my approach to avoiding problems, but my approach brings useful background information.  Buried deep in your stern lecture on my "attitude toward fuel-injection" was a useful bit of information:"The LIKE seemed to be fitted with a fuel line from a small batch sourced by the manufacture around the year 2012." Nobody here has been able to pin-point the actual problem, not even Kymco, but we're getting close. Nowhere was I complaining about fuel-injection, so it's a bit over the top to open with a stern talking-to about my attitude on the fuel-injected Like 200.  I have tried to sort out F/I problems on a Like 200, so I've actually laid hands on the actual parts causing this nasty problem, and I bring good background knowledge. I, like most users, appreciate the occasional glimpses of civility from the patron(s) of this board. You did get one thing right when you admitted "I'm no expert"!  It's your job to encourage the discussion.  Maybe post some photos of you riding to the coffee shop to get us feeling good about our Kymcos. Disparaging our attitude doesn't help one bit when trying to find an elusive target like this one. A good discussion thread makes it all worth while. 
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on December 31, 2022, 12:29:02 PM
I appreciate your lectures, Major, but I'm not simply being a clueless old goat.  We all recognize there's some kind of problem, and the users here are kind enough to share their knowledge and their attempts to solve problems.  I'm here sharing what I know and I bring good information.  You may not like my approach to avoiding problems, but my approach brings useful background information.  Buried deep in your stern lecture on my "attitude toward fuel-injection" was a useful bit of information:"The LIKE seemed to be fitted with a fuel line from a small batch sourced by the manufacture around the year 2012." Nobody here has been able to pin-point the actual problem, not even Kymco, but we're getting close. Nowhere was I complaining about fuel-injection, so it's a bit over the top to open with a stern talking-to about my attitude on the fuel-injected Like 200.  I have tried to sort out F/I problems on a Like 200, so I've actually laid hands on the actual parts causing this nasty problem, and I bring good background knowledge. I, like most users, appreciate the occasional glimpses of civility from the patron(s) of this board. You did get one thing right when you admitted "I'm no expert"!  It's your job to encourage the discussion.  Maybe post some photos of you riding to the coffee shop to get us feeling good about our Kymcos. Disparaging our attitude doesn't help one bit when trying to find an elusive target like this one. A good discussion thread makes it all worth while.
jjj., at least we're encouraging discussion.  🙂
Which is better than.....nah, I'll let it go at that.
Have a good and safe new year on your scooter!

Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: JJJoseph on January 02, 2023, 01:59:14 AM
Have a good and safe new year on your scooter!
Stig
Thank you - you too!
JJ
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: kjems on January 11, 2023, 04:41:04 PM
The O-rings are available from hydraulic parts service shops like Freudenberg Seals: http://or.ecatalog-na.fst.com/catalog/OR.htm?_ga=2.111495235.632739621.1568500950-1098743817.1568500950 (http://or.ecatalog-na.fst.com/catalog/OR.htm?_ga=2.111495235.632739621.1568500950-1098743817.1568500950)

Link is not working here. Anybody managed to get a working new O-ring for the like 200i fuel pump?

Jesper
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on January 12, 2023, 02:06:58 AM
Link is not working here. Anybody managed to get a working new O-ring for the like 200i fuel pump?

Jesper
I see some large o-rings on ebay.
Need measurements from your original.
Leeson's not helpful?
Probably a HTF part these days.
Stih
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: kjems on January 12, 2023, 06:43:02 AM
Need measurements from your original.
Leeson's not helpful?

Got it all fixed and it's running like a charm. But yesterday I smelled fuel on a ride and then saw the gasolin running down from under seat.

But will surely get the pump off again and do some messuerements. Would be nice if it's some kinda standard size avilible for another vehicle.

Good thing we're in winter (garage) time here in Denmark.

I'll be back 😉
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on January 12, 2023, 10:15:58 AM
Got it all fixed and it's running like a charm. But yesterday I smelled fuel on a ride and then saw the gasolin running down from under seat.

But will surely get the pump off again and do some messuerements. Would be nice if it's some kinda standard size avilible for another vehicle.

Good thing we're in winter (garage) time here in Denmark.

I'll be back 😉
Did your O-ring get damaged during your work?
I think Kymco advises to replace the 0-ring with new after the work.....but they don't offer it as a separate part!!
Glad you're running good again 🙃
Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: kjems on January 12, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
Did your O-ring get damaged during your work?
I think Kymco advises to replace the 0-ring with new after the work.....but they don't offer it as a separate part!!
Glad you're running good again 🙃
Stig

I couldnt see any damage, so i´m also a little confused - did try to lupe it with silicone for brake cylinders, but no luck. But fuel is coming out from under the lid, when the scoot is started - so i cant figure out anything else to try than the o-ring.
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on January 12, 2023, 02:21:51 PM
I couldnt see any damage, so i´m also a little confused - did try to lupe it with silicone for brake cylinders, but no luck. But fuel is coming out from under the lid, when the scoot is started - so i cant figure out anything else to try than the o-ring.
You mean with engine running and scooter moving the lid is leaking?
But scooter has too be moving and sloshing fuel, yes?
If leaking with engine running and on center stand...then fuel pump is pressurizing the tank!?
You're certain fuel line junction atop the lid, is not the culprit? There was a recall on a leak there.
Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: kjems on January 13, 2023, 10:13:11 AM
But scooter has too be moving and sloshing fuel, yes?
If leaking with engine running and on center stand...then fuel pump is pressurizing the tank!?

It does come out when the scoot is a standing still and engine running idle. And tank half full. So I also think is a pressure-thing.

Is there maybe a smart way to check or solve that?

I guess, if thats the case, the leak should stop if i release the fuel cap to let pressure out?
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: kjems on January 13, 2023, 02:14:42 PM
Okay, so got the seat off today and couldn't recreate the leaking with the scooter turned on in idle but not driving.

Tried to both cover the fuel cap and release it but could not notice any difference.

So I'm back to that the leak happened when riding full power with my son on the back, but not when idle.

Will try to locate from exactly from where it's leaking.

Jesper
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: kjems on January 14, 2023, 03:39:09 PM
OK, did a little more testing. Still cant recreate the leak.

I tried to both blow air and suck air through the fuel cap - which is quite easely possible.



(https://ibb.co/f2TDtdF)

Also disconnected the vent hose from engine and tried to blow air and suck air through it. Also with a compressor
That was not possible - not shure if it should be.

(https://ibb.co/fDWQsGx)

So now I really need to find out for shure, where the leak is coming from. So I have placed dry Toiletpapir on the tank and will take a look next time I smell gasoline, and also note other things like how full is the tank. How warm. How long ride and so on.

(https://ibb.co/tHcPhpp)
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on January 14, 2023, 08:02:02 PM
OK, did a little more testing. Still cant recreate the leak.

I tried to both blow air and suck air through the fuel cap - which is quite easely possible.



(https://ibb.co/f2TDtdF)

Also disconnected the vent hose from engine and tried to blow air and suck air through it. Also with a compressor
That was not possible - not shure if it should be.

(https://ibb.co/fDWQsGx)

So now I really need to find out for shure, where the leak is coming from. So I have placed dry Toiletpapir on the tank and will take a look next time I smell gasoline, and also note other things like how full is the tank. How warm. How long ride and so on.

(https://ibb.co/tHcPhpp)

Hello, It looks like you've added three photos to this post. They are not opening for me.
Also, there is a rubber seal under the fastener for the fuel-level sending unit.
A leak could be there if the spin-on fastener is loose, or rubber gasket under it is failing.

The vacuum line from the top of the fuel pump is attached to the emissions canister. The canister stores fuel vapors from the tank when engine is not running. Engine on - the vapors are carried to the bottom of the throttle body and then burned in the engine. There is a one-way valve in that octopus of vent lines! No fuel should be reaching up into that top line....unless you and passenger are in a moto-X !

The fuel tank cap has a hole for venting are in to prevent fuel starvation and lean running.

Most of us do not fill above that 'bar' seen down the filler neck in the tank.
Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: kjems on January 14, 2023, 08:08:13 PM
Thanks Stig.

Will try to figuere out exactly where it's leaking.

Couldn't get images to show, but here is the links

Fuel cap
https://ibb.co/f2TDtdF

Paper
https://ibb.co/tHcPhpp

Vent hose engine
https://ibb.co/fDWQsGx
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on January 14, 2023, 09:31:54 PM
Thanks Stig.

Will try to figuere out exactly where it's leaking.

Couldn't get images to show, but here is the links

Fuel cap
https://ibb.co/f2TDtdF

Paper
https://ibb.co/tHcPhpp

Vent hose engine
https://ibb.co/fDWQsGx

??
My LIKE200i's cap...
(https://i.postimg.cc/5t6HQ1v9/20230114-161318.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/90VFbj47/20230114-161330.jpg)

Stig
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: kjems on January 14, 2023, 09:40:23 PM
Maybe differnt years or one of us has an unoriginal.

Here the model looks like mine.

https://www.bike-parts-kymco.uk/catalog/Workshop-Manual/like-200-i-Workshop-Manual/page109

And I can blow air in and out of the little hole, so should not be create a problem unless tank is over filled.
Title: Re: Replacing EFI fuel pump in a Kymco LIKE200i
Post by: Roads by TJ on April 19, 2023, 02:34:40 PM
Nice Stig! I'm just starting my look for a fuel pump, thanks for posting this. Looks easy enough to do and the high flow will be nice.

Thanks!