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General => Kymco News => Topic started by: jprestonian on April 11, 2011, 10:08:29 PM
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Yes, there are several new offerings!
* Like 50 LX
* Downtown 200i
* Like 200i LX
* People GT 200i
* People GT 300i
In addition, none of the current 2-stroke 50cc models will be available as 2012 models. They'll either be 4-stroke, or discontinued.
Now, will I get the Downtown 300i or the People GT 300i?
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sOUNDS GREAT... WHAT'S YOUR SOURCE?
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sOUNDS GREAT... WHAT'S YOUR SOURCE?
KymcoUSA Bulletin SMB-2011-008: KYMCO USA 2012 TWO-WHEEL MODEL CONFIDENTIAL DEALER PRICE LIST AND AVAILABLE NON-CURRENT MODEL LIST, dated 3/14/2011.
It's officious. ;)
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whats all this "LX" business? and are the 200's gonna be 163cc like the current 200's, or maybe 175cc like the Yager? and the new Sento isn't coming? i think its cool, and the Sento 100 could be fun
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2lkxrh4.jpg)
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Dunno about the LX Likes -- can't find anything on the web about them at all. They will only be available in one color -- blue/white two-tone. So likely just a different paint/trim package.
Sento 50 is in the 2012 lineup, but not the 100.
People GT 300i not available in white?! Dang. Only black, silver and "golden," which is the odd orange color seen in the videos from last year.
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I looked at the CARB website yesterday looking to see if the P300 was listed as having an Executive Order (EO). I don't see any new orders yet for any of the new models.
Does the document say when they are coming or can I assume they will import as soon as the CARB EO gets released (which is sort of how the DT300i got released, a little later than planned... I think).
For those who don't know, CARB certifies all of the vehicles that are sold in California for emissions. To my knowledge, 14 states require new vehicles be CARB certified. Vehicles that are not certified can be sold in other US states and are commonly referred to as 49-state emission even though they may not be sold in all 49 states (to my knowledge). For those who follow scooters as a whole my have noticed that the SYM Symba and the Genuine Stella 4T were delayed in their 2010 releases. If I understand it correctly, CARB certification was the major reason for the delay as most manufacturers want to have one model bike out there.
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My understanding is these may be available in Fall 2011, but as they are 2012 models, it wouldn't surprise me to see them in Spring of 2012, instead.
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gmail sent!
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In addition, none of the current 2-stroke 50cc models will be available as 2012 models. They'll either be 4-stroke, or discontinued.
Okay, now let me get this straight. Are you saying you have seen an official KYMCO USA document that indicates there will be NO 2012 50cc 2-strokes available in the U.S., which includes the current Super 8 50 2T, Like 50 2T, People 50 2T and the Sting 50 2T?
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Okay, now let me get this straight. Are you saying you have seen an official KYMCO USA document that indicates there will be NO 2012 50cc 2-strokes available in the U.S., which includes the current Super 8 50 2T, Like 50 2T, People 50 2T and the Sting 50 2T?
That is what KymcoUSA Bulletin SMB-2011-008: KYMCO USA 2012 TWO-WHEEL MODEL CONFIDENTIAL DEALER PRICE LIST AND AVAILABLE NON-CURRENT MODEL LIST, dated 3/14/2011, states, yes.
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Now if they'd just send over that Grand Vista 300i, I'd be happy!
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Forgot to mention -- the two motorcycles (Quannon and Venox) have also been discontinued in the U.S. for the 2012 model year.
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In addition, none of the current 2-stroke 50cc models will be available as 2012 models. They'll either be 4-stroke, or discontinued.
KYMCO currently has no plans to get out of the 50cc 2-stroke business. When a KYMCO USA executive was specifically asked "Is Kymco getting out of the 50 cc 2 stroke business?", here's what they had to say, verbatim...
"No… The EPA testing requirements have changed. Thus far Yamaha, Vespa, Genuine & ourselves have not passed. Therefore every 2-stroke model will remain stamped as a 2011 until we pass or Dec. 31st, whichever comes first."
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Well, you can see where the document I referenced made it perfectly clear. :)
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In addition, none of the current 2-stroke 50cc models will be available as 2012 models. They'll either be 4-stroke, or discontinued.
But, the 2-strokes, at this point, are NOT being "discontinued" as your opening post implied/suggested. That is what concerned me so.
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Well, I guess you can take "not available as a 2012 (model)" to mean that they will be available as 2011s indefinitely, or as that and they'll be available as 2013s... but I think that'd be a rather unusual way of looking at it.
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Well, I guess you can take "not available as a 2012 (model)" to mean that they will be available as 2011s indefinitely, or as that and they'll be available as 2013s... but I think that'd be a rather unusual way of looking at it.
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Here's my point...if I had read that memo, I personally wouldn't have assumed (in no way shape or form) that KYMCO has "discontinued" their 2-stroke 50cc's entirely from its US line-up. I would have simply verified and/or clarified whether that was the case before putting that on the forum. That's how inaccurate statements can turn into unwarranted concerns...not to say that someday the EPA won't make the requirements so strict, it won't be worth the investment for scooter/motorcycle manufacturers to bring 2-strokes to market here any longer. For now, let's just hope KYMCO and their competitors figure out a way to keep bringin' in some great 2-stroke 50cc scoots.
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How about this: I'll bet you dinner in Nashville that Kymco has exactly zero 2-stroke scooters or ATVs in their U.S. lineup in 2012? I'm kinda broke, so we'll have to do Mas Tacos... but they just got a mention in the latest Rolling Stone, so I assure you, it's good eatin'.
I mean, it's not exactly like divining chicken entrails... when did Honda see the writing on the wall?
None of this has negative implications for people who already own the 2T bikes. Parts will always be pretty easy to locate, as will mechanics who can work on them. But we really are seeing the End Days for new sales of them in the U.S. Maybe not this year. Maybe not next. But it's no big secret.
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If it helps for the 2T people, they quit making 2T bikes a few years ago also (as did Yamaha) only to bring them back a year or two later once they got up to emissions standards again. Who knows what 2013 or later holds, but for now it looks like if you want a new 2T, it's gonna be a leftover 2011.
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As a total aside, I like the way they list the models as having whatever engine displacement their name implies (such as the Yager having "200cc") I wonder what displacement the Downtown 200i will actually be?
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As a total aside, I like the way they list the models as having whatever engine displacement their name implies (such as the Yager having "200cc") I wonder what displacement the Downtown 200i will actually be?
It should be 205cc just like the GTi200.
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Where did you hear about Downtown 200i?
Nobody is mentioning it but in Europe it is sold both as 125 and 300 cc.
It would be strange to fit 200 between those two.
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Where did you hear about Downtown 200i?
It was referenced in the KymcoUSA document I mentioned very early on in this thread.
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interesting article.
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/2012-kymco-scooter-lineup-review-90914.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/2012-kymco-scooter-lineup-review-90914.html)
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Anybody got more info on the People GT 300i ...
I'm assuming it has the same engine as the DT. If this is the case, are there any reviews for this bike or any performance numbers floating around? My searches have yielded nada. :-\ This is all I've got so far
Engine:
300 cc liquid cooled 4 stroke motor @ 28.7 horsepower and 30 Nm Torque (22 lbs/ft)
2.37 Gallon tank
Colors:
Silver/White/Black/Orange
Construction:
Tube steel chassis/hydraulic thirty seven millimeters fork/adjustable suspension
Brakes:
260 mm Single Disc back and front
Wheels:
front 3" / 16 " - 110/70-16
rear 3.5" / 16" - 140/70-16
Weight: 177 kilograms.
Instrumentation: Analog/Digital: Odometer/Fuel/Temperature/Clock
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When can we expect to 2012 models to be in the dealer showrooms??
Regards, Paul
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They review the new models here! (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/2012-kymco-scooter-lineup-review-90914.html)
All I know is that the People GTi 300 is sexy!
(http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/gallery.php/d/286128-2/2012-Kymco-People-GTi-Detail-01.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=TMP_SESSION_ID_DI_NOISSES_PMT)
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KYMCO currently has no plans to get out of the 50cc 2-stroke business. When a KYMCO USA executive was specifically asked "Is Kymco getting out of the 50 cc 2 stroke business?", here's what they had to say, verbatim...
"No… The EPA testing requirements have changed. Thus far Yamaha, Vespa, Genuine & ourselves have not passed. Therefore every 2-stroke model will remain stamped as a 2011 until we pass or Dec. 31st, whichever comes first."
I dont know where the EPA testing is now but if the scoot manufacturers havnt passed testing isnt this about the same as being discontinued? In other words if the 2T's can't pass the EPA test then there is no 2t's going to be imported.Also I didnt get the part about the scoots being stamped as 2011? Why would they be stamped at all if they can't pass the new stricter test???
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When can we expect to 2012 models to be in the dealer showrooms??
Regards, Paul
RE: Kymco People GT 300i - Availability & Kmph only Speedometer
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From:
"info@" <info@kymcousa.com>
To: Paul Borst <pborst_2002@yahoo.com>
Our first delivery of 2012 People GT 300i are slated for Mid-July. These will be shipped to the dealers who have pre-ordered.
US models will have the speedometer that shows Miles Per Hour.
From: Paul Borst [mailto:pborst_2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:38 PM
To: info@kymcousa.com
Cc: David Harrington
Subject: Kymco People GT 300i - Availability & Kmph only Speedometer
Hello. I wanted to know when the People GT 300i will available for order? Also, the picture of the People 300 speedometer appears to be kph only without even an inner mph inlay. Why? Is the speedometer pic nonrepresentative of what the US will be getting? Let me know. Thanks.
Paul
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btw, I know this isn't the right forum to say hello. But hello anyway. Been a lurker. Just got my M class endorsement in April and will be buying my first scooter in July/August. Trying to decide between Kymco (People 300 GTi) vs. Burgman 400. Lots of tradeoffs. Right now leaning towards Kymco. Some of the posts on the People 250 S have me a little concerned. Specifically, the quality control on Axy's thread concerns me. That said, QA is always an issue no matter what you buy. Pre 2008 Burgmans had their's as well. Best!
Paul
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Just wondering what the sales were like in the US for the Quannon 150 motorcycles? Some dealers have these marked way down on the leftover ones. I'm thinking about picking one up for a general runabout motorcycle for riding around the Big Island of Hawaii. I can get on for $1995 with no freight and setup fees.
Are there signs of the Quannon being dropped in other markets?
Thanks, Jon
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If you look at http://kymco.com (http://kymco.com) the Quannon is being continued in 2 versions - but both were 125's last time I looked.