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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2012, 02:49:56 AM »
Morning? Hell I'm late for yesterday... Or is it tomorrow? It can't be today already can it?
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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2012, 02:57:00 AM »
Ooops! I forgot you're on the other part of the globe. Well, it's 11:00 a.m., April 18, 2012 here!

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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2012, 02:59:22 AM »
APRIL?  Wow...
I gotta get out more.
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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2012, 04:35:11 PM »
Hey I am thinking about going with an Iridium spark plug, can anyone recommend one for my Kymco super 8 150?

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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2012, 10:36:43 PM »
Cool, thanks for that find Vino, lots of places to look to fix the problem and may not have to buy new parts for it.  Also, I just changed the oil yesterday to a 10w-40 full synthetic, and interestingly the backfires seem to have gone 90% away...  All I got leaving work was one barely audible "puh."

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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2012, 11:36:33 PM »
Hey I am thinking about going with an Iridium spark plug, can anyone recommend one for my Kymco super 8 150?
What is the OEM plug?
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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2012, 02:02:46 AM »
the spark plug is an CR7HSA

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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2012, 02:16:06 AM »
Denso IUF22 iridium spark plug - NGK equivalent CR7HSA
NGK CR7HSA Spark Plug ... NGK CR7HIX Iridium Spark Plug
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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2012, 02:17:11 AM »
You might want to try an 8 or 9.    7 is pretty hot.
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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2012, 05:36:34 AM »
sorry for my ignorance, what you mean by hot and what the numbers mean?

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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2012, 05:48:26 AM »
sorry for my ignorance, what you mean by hot and what the numbers mean?

The operating temperature of a spark plug is the actual physical temperature at the tip of the spark plug within the running engine. This is important because it determines the efficiency of plug self-cleaning and is determined by a number of factors, but primarily the actual temperature within the combustion chamber. There is no direct relationship between the actual operating temperature of the spark plug and spark voltage. However, the level of torque currently being produced by the engine will strongly influence spark plug operating temperature because the maximum temperature and pressure occurs when the engine is operating near peak torque output (torque and RPM directly determine the power output). The temperature of the insulator responds to the thermal conditions it is exposed to in the combustion chamber but not vice versa. If the tip of the spark plug is too hot it can cause pre-ignition or sometimes detonation/knocking and damage may occur. If it is too cold, electrically conductive deposits may form on the insulator causing a loss of spark energy or the actual shorting-out of the spark current.

A spark plug is said to be "hot" if it is a better heat insulator, keeping more heat in the tip of the spark plug. A spark plug is said to be "cold" if it can conduct more heat out of the spark plug tip and lower the tip's temperature. Whether a spark plug is "hot" or "cold" is known as the heat range of the spark plug. The heat range of a spark plug is typically specified as a number, with some manufacturers using ascending numbers for hotter plugs and others doing the opposite, using ascending numbers for colder plugs.

The heat range of a spark plug is affected by the construction of the spark plug: the types of materials used, the length of insulator and the surface area of the plug exposed within the combustion chamber. For normal use, the selection of a spark plug heat range is a balance between keeping the tip hot enough at idle to prevent fouling and cold enough at maximum power to prevent pre-ignition or engine knocking. By examining "hotter" and "cooler" spark plugs of the same manufacturer side by side, the principle involved can be very clearly seen; the cooler plugs have a more substantial ceramic insulator filling the gap between the center electrode and the shell, effectively allowing more heat to be carried off by the shell, while the hotter plugs have less ceramic material, so that the tip is more isolated from the body of the plug and retains heat better.

Heat from the combustion chamber escapes through the exhaust gases, the side walls of the cylinder and the spark plug itself. The heat range of a spark plug has only a minute effect on combustion chamber and overall engine temperature. A cold plug will not materially cool down an engine's running temperature. (Too hot of a plug may, however, indirectly lead to a runaway pre-ignition condition that can increase engine temperature.) Rather, the main effect of a "hot" or "cold" plug is to affect the temperature of the tip of the spark plug.

It was common before the modern era of computerized fuel injection to specify at least a couple of different heat ranges for plugs for an automobile engine; a hotter plug for cars which were mostly driven slowly around the city, and a colder plug for sustained high speed highway use. This practice has, however, largely become obsolete now that cars' fuel/air mixtures and cylinder temperatures are maintained within a narrow range, for purposes of limiting emissions. Racing engines, however, still benefit from picking a proper plug heat range. Very old racing engines will sometimes have two sets of plugs, one just for starting and another to be installed for driving once the engine is warmed up.

Spark plug manufacturers use different numbers to denote heat range of their spark plugs.

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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2012, 12:41:59 AM »
Before I got to Thank's Wiki... I thought you were f***ing with us. I couldn't figure if you were a rocket surgeon or a brain scientist for a second.
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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2012, 01:20:30 AM »
On the top of the vavle cover there is a steel pipe that wraps around to the exhaust port, that's a scooter version of an egr valve it dumps air from the Carb into the exhaust pipe to burn off smog, but it also klls proformance and causes back fires! It can be plugged with a 1/4 inch threaded bung screw from Lowes. Highly recommended if you have a straight or glass pack pipe.

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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2012, 01:51:48 AM »
Before I got to Thank's Wiki... I thought you were f***ing with us. I couldn't figure if you were a rocket surgeon or a brain scientist for a second.

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Re: Cold engine backfiring on deceleration
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2012, 02:14:50 AM »
On the top of the vavle cover there is a steel pipe that wraps around to the exhaust port, that's a scooter version of an egr valve it dumps air from the Carb into the exhaust pipe to burn off smog, but it also klls proformance and causes back fires! It can be plugged with a 1/4 inch threaded bung screw from Lowes. Highly recommended if you have a straight or glass pack pipe.


Is this on the Super 8 or every other scooter?

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