Like 200i won't start after stalling

[Stig / Major Tom]

If there's a little delay before the starter turns over, it's struggling to get momentum. Again, looks like battery although the starter solenoid has been known to be a problem on these models.

Could the puke tube have backed up as well? There's a clear tube off the airbox coming straight down to a black bung and a clip - take the bung out and see how much (if anything) comes out. If this is backed right up to the airbox that could start to smell, and it's kind of petrol-ish in the way it stinks.

But failed starter solenoid wouldn't cause the stall, would it? ??
And that fuel leak....running out of ideas here. Cranking but no start.
ECU, injector, fuel pump, coil, coil wire, plug cap. ??
 Time to visit dealer?
Stig

[Azmark7]

Thanks Stig. Flooded makes sense. No leaking though which is good. The drips only came when I opened the puke tube as noted above. And it was maybe two drips. If possible I'll try to get a video on here if I can

[Azmark7]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HpLm8Qqmj9bJ7f4h8

Hopefully this link works but here's a video of me trying to start it twice.

[Stig / Major Tom]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HpLm8Qqmj9bJ7f4h8

Hopefully this link works but here's a video of me trying to start it twice.

OK, sounds for all the world like KILL switch is in the 'OFF' position.
First few trouble steps refer to the fuel pump and/or  the injector -----but you're smelling fuel. So, let's assume both are working.
Here's the next trouble shot---



So,  a good blue spark when you hold the current plug grounded to the frame....if not, try a new plug. ??


Then, with luck -- it is the spark plug, connections, or plug wire, or coil.


Stig

[Azmark7]

Thanks Stig for the pictures and guidance. I'll take a look at the plug this week as next steps.

[CROSSBOLT]

The audio cleared up lotsa things! Stig is on the right track! But yo all knew that...

[Viper254]

To rule out the starter solenoid, could you try bridging the terminals on it with a screwdriver and see if it fires up?

It will look something like this



It will be below the seat bucket, probably at a side somewhere.

Try crossing the big two terminals with a screwdriver (it'll spark, take care) and see if the starter sounds any different.

Kymcos are notorious for the starter solenoids/relays failing.

[Stig / Major Tom]

Easy to spot....right side under the seat bucket. Has a bright red rubber cap on on it.
Stig

[Azmark7]

Thanks for the suggestion on the starter. I did what you said, crossed a screwdriver between the two posts on the starter and yes, a big spark flew off. Kept it on there, kill switch off position, held in left brake and hit the starter button. No fire still. Same sound/noise. Hell of a good idea to try though. Spark plug is my next step.

[Azmark7]

Today's update:

Had a few minutes before work to test a couple of things:

Spark plug test - Did it as Stig noted, great spark, plug looks great
Fuel pump test - Took off hose coming off fuel pump, turned key, fuel came out steady.

Noticed on the spark plug it was dry as a bone after several start attempts. Thinking fuel injector at this point? TPS?

Wont' have time again until tomorrow, off to take the kiddo trick or treating soon. Happy Halloween all

[Viper254]

The bike has two main fuses - one of which feeds the FI and the other the auxilaries. Is it possible only one of these fuses has gone south?

If there's no fuel on the plug...

The fuses are in the battery compartment. I've blown the auxilary one (which the starter circuit is on) but if the FI one has blown you might never know.

When you turn the ignition on, can you hear the FI whining or not?

[Stig / Major Tom]

The bike has two main fuses - one of which feeds the FI and the other the auxilaries. Is it possible only one of these fuses has gone south?

If there's no fuel on the plug...

The fuses are in the battery compartment. I've blown the auxilary one (which the starter circuit is on) but if the FI one has blown you might never know.

When you turn the ignition on, can you hear the FI whining or not?

Have we tried the "flooded cylinder" start procedure ---hold throttle wide open and  do a lengthy starter try? Don't goose the throttle - just hold it open.
Viper - that whine is from the fuel pump in the tank. I just went out to my LIKE200i and confirmed that.
After the pump initiates, all becomes quiet in the FI system....waiting for the starter.

With good spark, good fuses, and good fuel flow...the next suspect seems to be the fuel injector.
Followed by improper valve adjustment, worn compression parts (valves, rings, cylinder), etc. ---all of which seem less likely, but possible??,  with only this many miles.
A 9V battery will make the injector 'click'. To check for flow is a bit more involved....
Checking/Cleaning a fuel injector...


Stig

[Azmark7]

PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!

well Okhams razor was in full effect here. Had a day off so finally got around to pulling out the fuel pump to take a look (didn't want to start it previously and then walk away). Low and behold after getting it out I saw the following problem in the picture attached with the fuel line from the pump motor....

Explained it all in retrospect and why i never saw leaking fuel... It all leaked back into the tank apparently. Anyway replaced the 5/8 inch fuel line from Auto zone for 2 bucks and it started like a champ and is running great. The only reason I can ascertain for the line splitting like that was the previous owner keeping it outside in the heat with a non filled tank. The line just dried out and was cracking until it eventually gave way.

Anyway I learned a lot about my kymco in this process and thank you all for your help here. This forum is awesome.

[Stig / Major Tom]

So, you're talking this heavy black hose, seen here?
Well, I'll be danged!
No way that was going to be easy to diagnose!
Well done you!
Stig

(Wouldn't have thought to replace that hose when I was in there on my year old scooter.)

[Azmark7]

Yes indeed that was the hose that split. Honestly wasn't looking for it either, I simply took the fuel pump out and noticed it immediately and deduced that wasnt right... Lucky I guess in this case. Anyway, I'm back riding again!