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Offroad => Side By Side => Topic started by: Driemeyer25 on May 26, 2016, 11:46:19 PM
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I have had a couple people ask me if I was planning to make some tree kickes/ nerf bars for the Kymco UXV 450. Just trying to get a feel of the market. Yall think it would be a good idea? Id like to have some input.
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For us old duffers that are out of sync with todays modern terms, what are tree kickers? Where would the nerf bars go? I might be interested if I knew for sure what the hell they did....
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Tree kickers are somewhat like running boards. They protect the sides of the vehicle in case you brush up against a stump or tree so you dont scratch or damage the side of your UTV. Just google the term and youll see lots of examples.
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OK thanks for the reply, I thought I was right on the nerf bars but never heard the term tree kickers, I see that makes more sense now...
Who says your to old to learn something every day??? Yes I might be interested in a pair of those, let us know what you have in mind and how will they be attached.. Thanks
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There are mounting points underneath the sides if the utv. They will just attach there. I'll see if I can get a prototype worked up soon so you can see it.
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Can I assume the skid plates will be removed or modified? I remove them frequently to access the underside for maintanence so I would not want to have to remove the tree shakers each time I want to service the machine.
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I'd like to see a pic of what you have in mind. I like the idea of nerd bars!
Let me know when you get a prototype.
I am extremely happy with the rear bumper I purchased from you.
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Thanks coach! Im hoping by next weekend I can have some made up and painted so I can take pics. So stay tuned!
Airshot- they are going to be mounted with the same 3 screws on the underside that you use to take your skid plates off. Unfortunately that is the only way to mount them, but should be quick and painless. Although I do believe I will need some bigger screws to hold them on better which shouldnt be a problem.
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I would be concerned using the skid plate screws as a mount, however, some larger screws or even bolts would sound stronger. I had to design and build my own brackets for my plow mount and found the frame material to be quite thick in the cross members. I was able to drill and tap those for a 5/16 (8mm) bolt and had enough threads for a real good bite. Do you think 3 will be strong enough?
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So I have a prototype made and I put the three bigger self tapping screws in which screws into the frame and it was strong enough to hold me (220lbs)
I plan to get them finished and powder coated this week and will have pictures soon.
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I can't wait to see them, if they look as good as the brush gards you should have a winner. Please add a pic of how they are attached if you would, thanks.
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Absolutely! thanks airshot! Your constructive criticism and suggestions are always welcome here. Thats the only way to make a product the best is having others input. And it seems like you have the wisdom.
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Thanks for the kind words, I never mean to criticize only try to give real world experience so if anyone has thought me to be critical I apologize. I have been a toolmaker for more than 48yrs, trying to retire but company keeps wanting me there so I just work a couple days a week. I am quite sure your welding skills are far greater than mine and mabey your electrical skills as well. I am known as "sparky short circuit" around the shop, I do not do welding or electrical except for my hobby use only and I won't brag about it. However when it comes to material strengths and design strengths that is my area of expertise. In regards to your tree skids or whatever you call them, I would just be a bit concerned about self threading fasteners. Yes there are some really good ones out there at a $, but many think of inexpensive easy to screw in self tapping screws such as the ones that hold the skid plates on the machine and those I would be concerned about.
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My family has been doing business since 1928 selling Allis Chalmers, Kubota and now Kymco for the past ten years. At our shop we have considered alternatives to mounting the rock sliders/tree kickers and there are other costly alternatives at the inconvenience of customers that want to put them on themselves though. I think it might be different if this machine was like an Arctic Cat Wildcat 1000 or a Polaris Rzr that they really abuse. but just for a utility vehicle for someone that uses it to hunt or does light offroading, I think the self tapping screws should suffice. Like you said the frames on these Kymcos are pretty thick and strong so I'm not a bit concerned about then stripping out.
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Well being in the trade I am, we tend to overkill and build things like tanks. You are probably correct in your thinking, these types of machines are not designed to be used in severe off road riding so your ideas will probably be fine. However for us old farts that need things built like a tank it would be quite simple to drill and tap for machine bolts like I have done with some of the other skid plat screws. Can't wait to see what they look like!!
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Did some maintenance on the 450i yesterday and realized it is the center and front and back skid plate I remove for work. The two side skid plates where the kickers will be mounted are rarely removed for work so....no worries there!!
Has anyone considered mud flaps for the front? After removing about 35 lbs of mud from under the front just behind the front wheels I see a need for some type of mud flap there. Where a frame section and two body panels meet there are pockets that allow the mud to get into and it is quite difficult to get it all out without taking everything apart. I have some ideas just need to find some 30" long strips of rubber sheet about 6" wide to make one for each side. If anyone sticks their head in there and looks closely you will see the voids that need covered.
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So I have a prototype made and I put the three bigger self tapping screws in which screws into the frame and it was strong enough to hold me (220lbs)
I plan to get them finished and powder coated this week and will have pictures soon.
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that reasoning does not inspire much confidence in your product
I think it might be different if this machine was like an Arctic Cat Wildcat 1000 or a Polaris Rzr that they really abuse. but just for a utility vehicle for someone that uses it to hunt or does light offroading, I think the self tapping screws should suffice. Like you said the frames on these Kymcos are pretty thick and strong so I'm not a bit concerned about then stripping out.
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for light use, I'm not sure why anyone would want "nerf bars" other than bling
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that reasoning does not inspire much confidence in your product
for light use, I'm not sure why anyone would want "nerf bars" other than bling
I don't know, I just figured since all of the other brands were making them for theirs , I figure people may want them for the Kymco. The term "light use" can be concieved in many ways depending on your personal experiences with offroading. I myself have flipped Wildcat 1000s and was a championship atv and motocross racer. So the term can be construed. I have all the faith in my products. I take pride in building accessories and being American built.
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Just sayin "I put the three bigger self tapping screws in which screws into the frame and it was strong enough to hold me (220lbs)" does not inspire confidence, if the fasteners can't hold the weight or force of the vehicle while the bar is sliding across a stump, then they are pretty much worthless
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I understand what you're saying I think that could be said for any typeof product like this though. Depending on the weight or force exerted. Have you seen most of the other ones. They use like half inch tubing. I'm using two inch tubing. I was just using that as an example of how well the self tapping bolts hold. If youre turning through trees and brush up against one of them. You may end up scratching the side of your UXV. These protect that from happening.
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I wish I had them on our last outing this past Wednesday. On two separate occasions, one with a tree and one with a large boulder we were forced to do a lot of jockeying to get the machine thru and at one time it was my body strength only that saved my UTV while my grandson was driving. I was surprised at the effort that was needed to keep the machine from getting the plastic crunched, not really as much as I thought. Now I am a 66 yr old guy and not very big at 5'6" but I was able to push the machine over far enough so I am confident the tree kickers will do the job. Being right down by the frame bottom rather than me pushing from the roll cage will have a physical advantage. It will be a lot easier to touch up tree kickers rather than having to touch up the plastic body! Besides that price out tree kickers from other manufacturers as they are quite pricey, but also designed to protect a much heavier machine then the 450i.
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sending yours off tomorrow!
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So I have a prototype made and I put the three bigger self tapping screws in which screws into the frame and it was strong enough to hold me (220lbs)
I plan to get them finished and powder coated this week and will have pictures soon.
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I received mine today, installed them in 15 minutes, and can't wait to run over something with them! Lol. These things are great looking and built like a tank. Quality product ! Thanks. ORBA!