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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: bluesin on July 12, 2017, 05:26:54 PM
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I have heard from a few Kymco dealers that the Xciting 400i and the Xtown 300i will, in fact, be coming to the U.S.
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is a good thing. What i`m wondering about the 400 s is, with the extra horsepower, will weight gain negate the extra HP.
In other words, will a lighter weight 300cc fi scoot perform just as well as the heavier 400 s?.
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http://www.cycleworld.com/2018-kymco-spade-150-xciting-400i-abs-xtown-300i-abs-like-150i-abs-first-ride-review#page-8 (http://www.cycleworld.com/2018-kymco-spade-150-xciting-400i-abs-xtown-300i-abs-like-150i-abs-first-ride-review#page-8)
Reviews of all 4 new models
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Bummer that the XTown does not have the same 300cc engine as the GTI or the Downtown. Air cooled and less horsepower. Kymco is dropping both of those bikes. The Spade looks like a contender, as does the new Like.
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It looks like Kymco will have some nice new scooters for sale. The question is will there be any dealers left to sell them?
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is a good thing. What i`m wondering about the 400 s is, with the extra horsepower, will weight gain negate the extra HP.
In other words, will a lighter weight 300cc fi scoot perform just as well as the heavier 400 s?.
As far as I've read the 400 is "ABOUT" the same power rating as the Xciting 500 due to weight/engine design.
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Bummer that the XTown does not have the same 300cc engine as the GTI or the Downtown. Air cooled and less horsepower. Kymco is dropping both of those bikes. The Spade looks like a contender, as does the new Like.
Not so sure about the air cooling.
Articles have differing specs.
http://www.kymco.co.uk/kymco/new/bikes/Scooters/2017xtown300iabs.htm#.WWdRR7EpCfA (http://www.kymco.co.uk/kymco/new/bikes/Scooters/2017xtown300iabs.htm#.WWdRR7EpCfA)
It wont be as quick but what it does is "devalue" the DT300 on the resale market.
At 3999.00 with abs I'd say a old DT300 is worth about 2K tops.
AMAC
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Bummer that the XTown does not have the same 300cc engine as the GTI or the Downtown. Air cooled and less horsepower. Kymco is dropping both of those bikes. The Spade looks like a contender, as does the new Like.
Not sure where you're getting air-cooled in regard to the X-Town, it does have less power though, really a step back in some regards, the specs are reminiscent of the older Sym Citycom.
It will be disappointing though if they're killing the GTI, I keep looking at those but haven't pulled the trigger.
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Not sure where you're getting air-cooled in regard to the X-Town, it does have less power though, really a step back in some regards, the specs are reminiscent of the older Sym Citycom.
It will be disappointing though if they're killing the GTI, I keep looking at those but haven't pulled the trigger.
The GTI is gone.
Fact is they sold more DT300.
AMAC
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I do not understand these Kymco "managers." They have some good stuff but they hardly let a product mature before replacement instead of FIXING what is broke on basically good models. You all know what is wrong with existing models but none have been asked by Kymco. We all know what is wrong with many dealers and that HAS been addressed in some instances. We also know what is right about a lot of stuff and the organization of Kymco Taiwan and US. I am partial to the DT300i which is old news to you! Let's see what we could do with that one:
1. Why no ABS in the US?
2. Why not change the seat to give a little more legroom?
3. Why not fix the vent valve problem? (applies to all models and brands)
4. Why not move the light in helmet tub UP so it actually lights to see stuff IN the tub?
Things that apply to other Kymco models:
5. Ditch the misleading model numbers (Yager 200i, Like 200i) and tell it like it is or make the displacement REALLY CLOSE to the model number.
6. Edit owner's and service manuals to make sense and to agree with each other and actually reflect the model.
7. Include timing chain tensioning intervals in Maintenance sections of owner's and service manuals.
Things that can be done to facilitate these suggestions"
8. Engage some of Kymco enthusiasts and use some of their hard-learned knowlege.
9. Let some of our techies assist dealers when they are stumped ( good luck with this bright idea!).
10. Ask us what we think before you introduce new models, remove existing models.
That oughta be good for a start! I'm not really impressed with their new models.
Karl
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I must have misread.about the xtown being air cooled. I believe Crossbolt is right about the company. Western marketing is not their strongest attribute.
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I must have misread.about the xtown being air cooled. I believe Crossbolt is right about the company. Western marketing is not their strongest attribute.
What western marketing? Lol.
That said,min all fairness with the exception of Suzuki, The other scooter manufacturers have thinned their USA offerings down to nearly nothing. Yamaha and Honda don't make anything much above about 150 cc for 2017.
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That said,min all fairness with the exception of Suzuki, The other scooter manufacturers have thinned their USA offerings down to nearly nothing. Yamaha and Honda don't make anything much above about 150 cc for 2017.
Weelll for the heavier and mid stuff, I like the newer B650, the BMW GT ain't bad either. Then you should probably count the Honda NM4, & the on again, off again Tmax.
From Kymco I am tempted by the GTI, but there were a few turn offs on it that have shied me away when it comes down to it, not a fan of under seat fuel fillers for a few reasons, my choice of black white or gray ..meh.. and the couple times I really was going to get one they were out of stock and couldn't get one in.
The newer bigger bikes, I'll take a look since Kymco does build a good bike, but I think I'd go piaggio or possibly SYM in that class. (mini maxi's)
Far as other scoot mfr's go. SYM has a nice line-up that the local dealer barely stocks (and with exception only the lighter stuff then..)
Piaggio is doing a pretty decent job. Love the new liberty 'cept it's a step slower than my HD...for you lovers of the old People 150...go check it out, you'll adore it. Beyond that they have the BV350, the fly, the new MP3500 & the Typhoon so something for everybody, especially if count Vespa...now add dealers in more areas (mine's fine but I know that's uncommon) and you really might get something going.
Honda's PCX ain't bad, but has the same limitations as the liberty for power/speed. They do have the NM4 and other DCT's on the platform that kinda count as big scoots. Nice bikes actually. They even sell a few.
From Yamaha you're right. The Smax is a nice little bike, but but that's really about it along with the hot & cold Tmax.
KWAK. has nothing of course, even elsewhere they just have a rebadged Kymco DT
Suzuki's burgmans really do OK, if you count the hot and cold UH200 they cover all niches nicely. Just wish they'd market them better.
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For kymco this was a price point move on the bigger scoots.
the price was fast closing in on the Japanese scoots.
So the answer was to create "lesser" scoots to hit the number.
Shabby at best. Better off doing as Honda has done and just bail on bigger scoots i the US.
AMAC
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Weelll for the heavier and mid stuff, I like the newer B650, the BMW GT ain't bad either. Then you should probably count the Honda NM4, & the on again, off again Tmax.
From Kymco I am tempted by the GTI, but there were a few turn offs on it that have shied me away when it comes down to it, not a fan of under seat fuel fillers for a few reasons, my choice of black white or gray ..meh.. and the couple times I really was going to get one they were out of stock and couldn't get one in.
The newer bigger bikes, I'll take a look since Kymco does build a good bike, but I think I'd go piaggio or possibly SYM in that class. (mini maxi's)
Far as other scoot mfr's go. SYM has a nice line-up that the local dealer barely stocks (and with exception only the lighter stuff then..)
Piaggio is doing a pretty decent job. Love the new liberty 'cept it's a step slower than my HD...for you lovers of the old People 150...go check it out, you'll adore it. Beyond that they have the BV350, the fly, the new MP3500 & the Typhoon so something for everybody, especially if count Vespa...now add dealers in more areas (mine's fine but I know that's uncommon) and you really might get something going.
Honda's PCX ain't bad, but has the same limitations as the liberty for power/speed. They do have the NM4 and other DCT's on the platform that kinda count as big scoots. Nice bikes actually. They even sell a few.
From Yamaha you're right. The Smax is a nice little bike, but but that's really about it along with the hot & cold Tmax.
KWAK. has nothing of course, even elsewhere they just have a rebadged Kymco DT
Suzuki's burgmans really do OK, if you count the hot and cold UH200 they cover all niches nicely. Just wish they'd market them better.
For now the t max is off again. I'd forgotten about the BMW. And does Piaggio still sell large scooters in the USA? Just wondering...
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And does Piaggio still sell large scooters in the USA? Just wondering...
Piaggio MP3.
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the 300 Downtown and GTI, that is one of the dumbest moves I have ever heard of.
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...Far as other scoot mfr's go. SYM has a nice line-up that the local dealer barely stocks (and with exception only the lighter stuff then..)
Piaggio is doing a pretty decent job. Love the new liberty 'cept it's a step slower than my HD...for you lovers of the old People 150...go check it out, you'll adore it...
Our dealer has a good stock of all the SYM/Lance scooters, as well as Genuine Buddy and Stella. We are very fortunate to have such a good dealer around here.
Piaggio Liberty 150..... oooooohhh, me want! (OR Kymco could just do the smart thing and bring back the People 150!!) DANG, I miss that scoot!
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I have heard from a few Kymco dealers that the Xciting 400i and the Xtown 300i will, in fact, be coming to the U.S.
I still have not seen any release info on these two scooters. The Spade and Like 150 show up as coming soon on kymcousa.com. They have actually been released.
Maybe they are just trying to clear out old stock.
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If they get to USA it will take 5 years for them to get to Canada, we do like to keep up to date????
I bought a Piaggio bv 350i sport, got it home yesterday , broke it in moto USA style, got to find oil filters now , 1st change 50 miles, today,. gone for the filters now, bye.
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I do not understand these Kymco "managers."
Karl
Tell us how you really feel, Karl. :-)
It would be very easy for the company to have some sort of presence on all forums Kymco, and a customer survey letter probably would hurt, either !
imo
redk
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I just visited my local dealer today and probably saw the very first Kymco X-town 300i in LA being put together. For some reason it looks a little smaller in person from what I imagined, I don't think the post stating it being air cooled is correct as it has a coolant reservoir tucked behind a panel in the front. I suspect maintenance on it will be a breeze much like the DT300 since it looks like the seat bucket removes the same exact way the DT300 does. However, the battery is now accessible behind a panel in the seat bucket and the LED light seems to have an optical sensor probably to remedy the issue of draining the battery when the seat isn't shut properly. Overall the scooter looks fantastic, my only gripe without having ridden it yet is the rated 23 horsepower.. this puts it closer to the 250cc category in terms of power.
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Piaggio for all of north america is in NYC. 350.cc 500 cc and the 3 wheelers, plus the little ones
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Piaggio for all of north america is in NYC. 350.cc 500 cc and the 3 wheelers, plus the little ones
Yep, I found an 800 number in owner's manual and called Piaggio NYC....was put through to a fellow in the technical dept. who researched and answered my question about the proper valve gap for my new 2018 Liberty150i. The underseat label specs disagreed with the latest service manual.
Pretty cool to get that kind of access to a country's distributor technical dept!
Good customer experience --- there IS someone on the end of that 800#!
Stig
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I just visited my local dealer today and probably saw the very first Kymco X-town 300i in LA being put together. For some reason it looks a little smaller in person from what I imagined, I don't think the post stating it being air cooled is correct as it has a coolant reservoir tucked behind a panel in the front. I suspect maintenance on it will be a breeze much like the DT300 since it looks like the seat bucket removes the same exact way the DT300 does. However, the battery is now accessible behind a panel in the seat bucket and the LED light seems to have an optical sensor probably to remedy the issue of draining the battery when the seat isn't shut properly. Overall the scooter looks fantastic, my only gripe without having ridden it yet is the rated 23 horsepower.. this puts it closer to the 250cc category in terms of power.
My local dealer has the 300 Xtown in stock right next to a 2017 DT300.
Can you imagine the conversation....
Dealer -‘Yes They are both 300s but the leftover packs 7 more hp than the new 300 that’s why it’s 2000.00 moreâ€
Buyer if he has any smarts says WTF.
All kymco did was devalue the used DT300.
AMAC
AMAC
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My local dealer has the 300 Xtown in stock right next to a 2017 DT300.
Can you imagine the conversation....
Dealer -‘Yes They are both 300s but the leftover packs 7 more hp than the new 300 that’s why it’s 2000.00 moreâ€
Buyer if he has any smarts says WTF.
All kymco did was devalue the used DT300.
AMAC
AMAC
But wait buyer sees the new 400.
Buyer-how’s that new 400?
Dealer-great puts out around 30 ponies.
Buyer- isn’t that the same as the old 300s?
Dealer-why yes it is, so if you want a 2018 with the same power as the leftover 300s you’ll need to buy the 400.......
Buyer- scratches head.
Come on man !
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Welcome to Euro 4.
The U.S. doesn't drive the market in any way, shape or form.
Europe and Asia, where people buy & use bikes do.
They also drive the lighter car market for the same reason. They buy more of 'em.
Really going a bit slower, using a bit less gas, & having cleaner emissions isn't a horrible thing, & it does unite the technology of cars & bikes more so upgrades on the former also benefit the later going forward in that regard.
As the generations of bikes move on I'm sure the power will return. Either way not really much can be done for it. Not buying bikes won't help, since they'll be even less choice.
I do note that the GT300I is still available in Europe last I checked, & didn't lose much oomph with it's Euro 4 changes. Kinda sad it's not here, but that's our fault as much as anything.
If I hadn't stood pat on my B650 & HD200 that would have been one of a couple at the top of my list...Just couldn't quite pull the trigger ...maybe with an external gas filler..I really do hate the ones under the seat.
Euro 5 is due on 2020, so stock up in 2019.
Cheers
Tromper
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The US doesn't drive the scooter market, but the market's good enough in the US for Yamaha to bring in the XMax 300 which immediately drew my attention away from anything Kymco had in that size class simply because 2 wheel ABS is a non-negotiable feature in my next scooter. I can find new 500i ABS which have 2 wheel ABS but I'm having a hard time with the dealers I'd trade with seeing my ideas on devaluation just sitting in a create for a year or more...
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Had a look at the new Xmax 300 yesterday, beautiful and looks very well made.