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Scooters - Big Bore => Xciting 500 => Topic started by: mrbios on March 05, 2016, 06:49:40 AM
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I've ridden two different B400's. One had some handlebar vibration. Several years ago someone said the Burgman was superior to the xciting. Thoughts?
I've owned my 2005 GV250 for almost 5 years and put 17k on it so I feel Kymco makes a decent product.
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The burger 400 has it's good points such as gas mileage, and more under seat storage. but the xciting 500 has a better ride, more power, 15 & 14 inch tires vs 14 & 13 inches etc. :-*
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I am of the opinion that the xc500 is much better looking, has a higher riding position, and it also drives amazingly well,like a motorcycle really.
The b/man has Suzuki backing, and I don't hear much regarding issues with them.
But from my view they are bland, while the xc500 has tons of character.
Just one thing to watch for , is the cold start issue on the kymco.
Every time I get on my XC500EFI, my happiness factor shoots through the roof!
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From what you guys say and my experience with the GV250 it sounds like the xciting 500 is worth a try. I like the 15/14" tire combo vs 14/13" on the Bman. I'm weary of small / tiny wheels also a 14" rear introduces the possibility of "Darksiding".
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I currently own a burgy 400, and the scooter club i ride with, the leader have a xc500, the only difference that is noticeable to me is the extra horses. I went from 16" wheels to the burgy wheels, and really don't feel a difference when going over bumps. The burgy is very steady at high speeds and in the twisties, it's very well balanced. Only thing everyone don't like about the burgman is the muffler issue, everytime, you take the tire off, you have to remove the muffler, and there's a gasket in there that needs to be replaced everytime. If you don't you will have an exhaust leak, and most dealers forget that gasket. On the burgy forums, that's one of the main issues, and the cvt, but that's most scoots
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I currently own a burgy 400, and the scooter club i ride with, the leader have a xc500, the only difference that is noticeable to me is the extra horses....
Good feedback thanks. I was wondering about vibration... I have only ridden the b400 twice and one of the scoots produced some handlebar vibration that left my hands feeling a little bit of a tingling sensation do you ever experience that?
Also, the do you thing the xc500 is noticeably more powerful or just a little more that might not be worth the reduced mpg?
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there's no vibration, if you had that, maybe a bad wheel bearing or something, and the 500 is smoother and quicker off the line noticeably
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what would be the difference ? exiting 500 and the 300 downtown, I am in Canada and never seen a 500, in Ottawa On.
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there's no vibration, if you had that, maybe a bad wheel bearing or something, and the 500 is smoother and quicker off the line noticeably
One of the b400's that I rode had the vibration the other did not. The one that did was being sold really cheap and I suspected there might be an issue. My last ride 2002 to 2009 was a bmw with a 750cc motor. Then I got the Kymco in 2011. It is the smallest motor I ever owned except for a 250cc enduro. Now I'm kind of interested in some extra power mainly on the highway.
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what would be the difference ? exiting 500 and the 300 downtown, I am in Canada and never seen a 500, in Ottawa On.
America - land of the over powered vehicle. The problem for me is highway speeds in California. Many times people are averaging 75 mph (120 kph) so it is nice to have the extra speed & power that a 500cc offers. Many scooters are 150cc or smaller and can't go on the highway so 500cc would be an overpowered waste.
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that is still in the speed range of a 300 downtown , I can cruse all day at 85 MPH. top speed about 95 MPH. ( 155 Km. )
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that is still in the speed range of a 300 downtown , I can cruse all day at 85 MPH. top speed about 95 MPH. ( 155 Km. )
It sounds like the downtown 300 is a good machine.
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It sounds like the downtown 300 is a good machine.
It has a better weight to HP ratio than the 500.
The exciting 500 is 473lbs and 40 hp.
The DT 300 is 375 lbs and 30 hp.
The burger is 489 lbs and 32hp
I'm not saying it's better I'm just saying its not really any faster. There's more to it than just raw displacment.
AMAC
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It has a better weight to HP ratio than the 500....
I'm not saying it's better I'm just saying its not really any faster. There's more to it than just raw displacment.
AMAC
Thanks those are all very good points I especially like seeing the waitlist at I didn't realize the b400 was so heavy and you make a good point about the power to weight ratio of the 300 actually being better. I wonder how the BV 350 Stacks up in your comparison I've never ridden it but I've heard really good things about it.
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$6299 with ABS, 471cc's, 414 lbs.
2016 500F
Bulletproof engine.
CVT's are expensive...Gotta think outside the plastic panels, sometimes.
(The little 300F is a steal at $3999, but no ABS yet.)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/24qvhv4.jpg)
Stig
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what would be the wet Wt. of these scooters ? I know my DT. Wt. is 412 lb. road ready, that 13.97 Lb.s per HP.
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what would be the wet Wt. of these scooters ? I know my DT. Wt. is 412 lb. road ready, that 13.97 Lb.s per HP.
That's hard to figure across the board. Even the weights I posted are most likely a little off as I think the burger weight is already curb weight. I'm also looking back at how the Burgman HP was calculated.
AMAC
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$6299 with ABS, 471cc's, 414 lbs.
2016 500F
Bulletproof engine.
CVT's are expensive...Gotta think outside the plastic panels, sometimes.
(The little 300F is a steal at $3999, but no ABS yet.)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/24qvhv4.jpg)
Stig
Oh yes that would be nice.
I was brought to the scooter world "kicking and screaming". Wasn't my choice, had to sell a HD I had since I was a teen. Can't get a leg over or shift with semi paralyzed legs. Swore I'd never ride again.
Never is a long time and thank god for scooters or it would be "trike time".
Now if I could the little Honda would be soooo cool! Matter of fact lots of cool little cycles theses days.
Yep nice little ride.
AMAC
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No fairing, no lowers, no storage, you are bent forward over the handle bars, and the foot pegs are high and behind you! I could not ride it across the street. And I can tell you from looking at it that the seat would be horrible. No thanks. :-*
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Dee Dee. The X500 is bigger. You can really stretch out on it. I have sat on a 300 and I can not put my feet out in front of me. 0-60 MPH about the same on the 500 & 300, but the passing power of the 500, and ability to haul 2 people plus or minus luggage is where the 500 hands down beats the 300. I like the 300, but with my back problems I could not ride it very far with out having to take many breaks. And since my wife rides with me sometimes, the 300 just doesn't work in my situation. I wish they would bring in the 400? :-*
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Ahh the seat , that's why I raised the seat 3 inches and cut the butt stop off and moved it back 5 inches, feet still flat on the ground, and knees flexed while sitting ,
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The Burg's 489 lbs and 62.4" wheelbase feel pretty darn good on the interstate.
And I routinely ride in the city with no issues - it just goes where you point, or lean.
Less rear brake drag in the garage than the Forza which was much lighter.
Stig
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At first I was scared to buy a burgman 400 because of the weight, and was reading and comparing, so I decided on a people s250. Kept it for a while and sold it, and decided to try a Burgman after all, the weight isn't noticeable at all, it's more nimble and lighter than I thought. After owning it and joining the burgy forum, believe it or not, a lot that weight comes from the huge muffler. I told my husband I've been missing out, this scoot isn't heavy. But i do like Kymco scoots too, and might get a downtown later. But my dream bike is Bv 350, I miss my bv 200, but couldn't get on that highway.
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I think the BV is a fine bike. But it really has little wind protection for the highway. I wish they would bring in the new X10 500. It was made for comfort and touring. No sports bike crap, great ride, seat, 42 HP and a 4.1 or 2 gallon tank. This would be my next scoot if they brought it in to the USA, and if I could afford it that is. It would probably be around 10 grand or so? :-*
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what would be the wet Wt. of these scooters ? I know my DT. Wt. is 412 lb. road ready, that 13.97 Lb.s per HP.
With me on the scooter and tools 250 Lb.s and 412 Lb.s scooter =672 Lb.s -*29.5 Hp.=22.78 Lb.s per Hp. I am going on a diet,.
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if you were in texas, I'm selling my burgman 400 for cheap, needs a new clutch
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if you were in texas, I'm selling my burgman 400 for cheap, needs a new clutch
Just a comment....whole assembled clutch with new bell for a LIKE200i is less than $150 !
Suzuki parts prices are stupid high. Makes a $10K 650 darn near a throw-away if CVT gone.
Stig
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i know, that's why I'm going back to Kymco or get a Majesty, but at least on the 400 the parts only about $400 for a clutch and belt
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burgman 400 is fixed and back on the road, it did not need a clutch, only a needle bearing that cost $25 and replaced the belt for $190
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Did you, are you going to buy the 500F?
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I had an '08 400 Burgman and regret getting rid of it. There was nothing exciting about it, but it did everything well. When I lived in Florida, I had to ride sections of I-Deathrace 2000, or I-95 as it might otherwise be known, and it was perfectly manageable playing Moto-Frogger with Semi's and caroming Cadillac's at 75 or so. Riding sportily, it would drag stuff a little sooner than I would have liked, but that is not intent of that machine. I miss things like carpet in the trunk and little finishing touches like that. Some of the 'Cons' for me was, a little cumbersome in urban traffic. I missed not being able to circumvent some traffic issues due to mass that I might on a smaller scooter. A little hard for me to wrestle up on the center-stand. (Im 155# and weak), and weirdly enough, it had sort of cruiser style 'layback' ergo's, so in extended urban traffic, it became very uncomfortable to keep putting my feel up down from floorboards to road at an angle that was not a good one for me, personally(33" inseam). You probably won't have that issue(?). Another oddity was how many rpm's it took to spool up before it would start to move, but no big deal. I don't know about an X-Citing, but you cant really go wrong with the Burgman :) Best wishes for happy miles on whatever you decide . . .
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That was a good really Useful right up and from my limited rides on the Burgman 400 I would say it's right on target.
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Xciting 500 vs burgman 400.
I own(ed) both and more (T-max, Burgman 650)
It depends on your priority:
Xciting 500: cheap, comfortable and powerful
Burgman 400: reliable and comfortable
My two cents
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Xciting 500 vs burgman 400.
I own(ed) both and more (T-max, Burgman 650)
It depends on your priority:
Xciting 500: cheap, comfortable and powerful
Burgman 400: reliable and comfortable
My two cents
So no 'reliability' affirmation for the Xciting?
Might you elaborate?
I would agree on the Burgman . . . Zero issues with mine. Big mistake getting rid of it :(
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My Xciting had quite some issues. It's made in 2006, has over 26000 miles on it:
Repairs:
- It always leaked cooling fluid, even after installing a new waterpump.
- Hosingclamps are of inferior quality so they will fail on you (leakage)
- The base gasket just recently broke which is a huge pita to repair
- Replaced rear breakcaliper (known issue)
- Issues with bearings in steering
- vital electronics are poorly protected (right side under saddle)
- saddle springs are broken so saddle won't stay open
- speedo broke
- fuelpump broke
- Radiator Thermo switch broke
Cons:
- very heavy
- On my 2006 model the rearviewmirrors are a joke; very fragile too
- On my 2006 model the fuel gauge is off by at least 30 miles
- the speedo is very fragile and prone to cheating and off by 7 miles
- Dual-breaking never worked properly, brake hose is too long so it will never give you a stiff break
- small tank (12,5 liters) combined with relatively poor mileage
- suspension is mediocre
- sparkplug very hard too reach
- saddle too high for smaller people (tiptoeing)
- breaklights are too weak
- clunky parking break design
Pro's:
- unbeatable price (half the price of a T-max)
- powerful engine
- fairings are reasonably solid
- turnlight audio signal
- very comfortable ride; solid feel
- large saddlespace
- clean design
- maintenance is relatively easy
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My Xciting had quite some issues. It's made in 2006, has over 26000 miles on it:
Repairs:
- It always leaked cooling fluid, even after installing a new waterpump.
- Hosingclamps are of inferior quality so they will fail on you (leakage)
- The base gasket just recently broke which is a huge pita to repair
- Replaced rear breakcaliper (known issue)
- Issues with bearings in steering wheel
- vital electronics are poorly protected (right side under saddle)
- saddle springs are broken so saddle won't stay open
- speedo broke
- fuelpump broke
Cons:
- very heavy
- On my 2006 model the rearviewmirrors are a joke; very fragile too
- On my 2006 model the fuel gauge is off by at least 30 miles
- the speedo is very fragile and prone to cheating and off by 7 miles
- Dual-breaking never worked properly, brake hose is too long so it will never give you a stiff break
- small tank (12,5 liters) combined with relatively poor mileage
- suspension is mediocre
- sparkplug very hard too reach
- saddle too high for smaller people (tiptoeing)
- breaklights are too weak
- clunky parking break design
Pro's:
- unbeatable price (half the price of a T-max)
- powerful engine
- fairings are reasonably solid
- turnlight audio signal
- very comfortable ride; solid feel
- large saddlespace
- clean design
- maintenance is relatively easy
Wow . . . That's crazy!
I didn't think ANY bike could have that many problems in this day and age!
Did Kymco help at all?
I dunno, I might rethink this Xciting purchase. reading the stuff I have is not
inspiring confidence.
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- Issues with bearings in steering wheel
Is that a one of a kind bike with a steering wheel? :)
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I did my best.
Cheers from the Netherlands 8)
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I did my best.
Cheers from the Netherlands 8)
You did more than 'your best' ... That was an awesome review!!! and is great information to others that have the xciting 500 because it helps them to know what to look for.
thunderkat59 - It looks like a lot of repairs and it is a LOT of repairs many of which should never have happened BUT.... at 6K miles he probably had almost no issues. Most scooter riders in the USA hardly ride past a 5K miles or so. The real test is for someone that uses the scoot like a car and keeps a careful log of repairs as the terror of repairs that are a PITA fade with time. I look back at repair photos and I cringe! I'm traumatized all over again! But again it wears off.
Compared to my 2005 Grandvista / Grand Dink / B&W 250.... I currently have 19,500 miles or 31,382 km....
No coolant leaks ever and only changed the fluid once.
Exhaust cracked several times and I rewelded it - known issue.
Electronics - recently had to apply dielectric grease and had to clean contacts on light, signal, horn, power mirrors. New designs protect the switches much better in some motorcycles.
Seat - spring is metal. Still works perfect same as new, no wear and just lubed with WD40.
Electronics under seat, etc well protected no issues except recently cleaned contacts to spark plug coil etc and dielectric grease - starts perfect (for now).
Never changed the starter or relay etc.
Head light dim and gets brighter when applying the brake - corrosion on contacts.
Instrument panel back light inverter - went out around 10K miles, bought on ebay last year and need to install.
Plastic faded with power southern California sun - sanded and painted.
No problems with calipers, rotors etc ever.
Rear pad wears "fast" ~ 7K miles?
Recently, dissembled rear clutch & the shaft that the variator slides on in the rear - works better now than at any time since I bought the scooter in 2011 with 2600 miles. Virtually perfect in my opinion. Way better than burgman 400, silverwing 600 and just as good as vespa. No more clutch squeal. Also, original clutch and working perfect.
Currently, I ride it 5 days a week like a car and it is running perfect.
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Mine is if the first generation. It's very possible that newer models are better. Again, it's a lot of motorscooter fir the money.
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At least in north america the DT300 seems the best choice of the Kymcos for all around use. Others can get a DT400. Xciting 500 cold start issues would scare me off. DT300 seems darn near bullet proof for daily commute. I go with bullet proof over exciting every time.....like to ride not fix problems. New DTs can be found at great prices.I own new Burgman 400 for 2up capabilities. ...a nice white or red kymco DT or GT would be choice otherwise. ...or Honda SH300i!!
Shame about cold start issues with the xc500.
Stig
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..DT300 ...best choice of the Kymcos for all around use.
DT300 seems darn near bullet proof for daily commute. I go with bullet proof over exciting every time.......or Honda SH300i!!
Shame about cold start issues with the xc500.
Stig
Good info backed up by experience makes for a great shopping advice.