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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Super 8 150 => Topic started by: Mikethesloan on May 14, 2014, 06:44:15 PM
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After your scoot was broken in, how long do you feel comfortable riding with the throttle wide open? Is it bad for the scoot to be wide open on flat roads for long distances?
Thanks!
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WOT for extended periods is bad for any motor. I wouldn't do it for more than a mile or 2.
I have just over 1000 miles on mine, and I've only hit WOT once. That was only because I wanted to see what she had.
My Super 8 will hit around 55mph (approx. 62-64 on the speedo) with a little throttle left.
Regardless, you should always vary the throttle as you go to give the engine small bits of relief to avoid burning it up.
The sweet spot I've found is between 40-50 mph. It'll run those speeds all day with no complaints.
The Super 8 150 is NOT a highway bike! If you need to do prolonged highway speeds, you really need a bigger scoot.
NO VEHICLE SHOULD BE RUN AT FULL THROTTLE FOR MORE THAN SHORT BURSTS.
That's just my opinion. Let the debate begin!
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My Super 8 will hit around 55mph (approx. 62-64 on the speedo) with a little throttle left.
OK skinny. I need a tailwind to get to 62-64 on the speedo (and that's WOT). BTW, 6feet tall and a svelte 230lbs (soaking wet).
On the WOT though, this is why I just ordered today a trailtech tach AND temp sensor. I take care of my stuff and I want to be assured that when out riding I'm not pushing this little beast too hard. I figure the more info I'm armed with the better I'll know my scoot. I plan on doing a lot of data gathering once it is installed. This week would have been perfect has it has rained 3 days in a row and expected to do so for another 2. Perfect time to do an install project like that.
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5500 miles on my 163cc LIKE 200i.
It has never seen WOT.
Never will.
Nor have any of my cars.
But I DO give the Full Beans to my 1987 22" Sears mower. The trick seems to be: Never change the oil or use gas stabilizers in the winter. Fires first pull and smokes nicely every spring! I thought about looking at the plug and air filter once back during the Reagan admin. But, why mess with a good thing?
(the scoot gets new oils every 600 miles or so)
Stig
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I WOT when it's clear ahead... like from a traffic light... Then lots of motorcycles pass me... then I decelerate to a slower speed...
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OK skinny. I need a tailwind to get to 62-64 on the speedo (and that's WOT). BTW, 6feet tall and a svelte 230lbs (soaking wet).
No skinny here. I'm around 230 myself. And that little throttle that's left is only good for about 3 mph! That 1 and only full throttle run got about 67 on the speedo. And at that speed, with the Super8's stiff suspension, the ride is a bit jittery and not really fun at all!
Let us all know what you learn with the new sensors. Should be some helpful info for all us folks here to chew on.
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From time to time I go WOT on my 2011 Super 8 but never for very long. I have about 5,700 miles on her. Once I did a prolonged run at WOT and I got pulled over by a state trooper. He said the radar gun clocked me at 67 MPH. Luckily he turned out to be an old Navy buddy and he let me go.
--Jim
by the way...I am 5'10" and about 196 lbs
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WOT all day every day on 4 strokes. The throttle position does not matter. RPM, and load matter.
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WOT won't kill your engine if you don't do it all of the time. When breaking the engine-in, there are two schools of thought. 1st: Ride it like stole it 2nd: Ease you way up to higher RPM's as the miles progress. When I was @ 700 miles, I took a ride from Palm City, FL. to Indiantown, FL. 25+ miles (one way) almost @ WOT the whole time. When I stopped, I could smell the engine was very hot & needed a rest. An hour later, I was home @ my parents house. I sold my Super 8 & picked-up a SYM HD200 instead & it's night & day difference. I like the Super 8, but I think it's getting a tad expensive for want you get @ $2499.00
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The smell changes if you ride em hard enough. What?
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I ride my S8 WOT a lot, but normally not more than for a few minutes. I often ride WOT when taking off. Occasionally I have jumped on the interstate and run WOT for a few miles. Much of my riding is between 50 -60 on the speedo which is not WOT but is pretty close to top speed. I have over 16,000 miles on my S-8 and the motor seems to run as well now as when it was new.
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WOt doesn't hurt your motor, it's the start-stop traffic that kills your motor.
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Depends.
Is it your daily transportation to your job?
Or your toy?
Stig
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super 8 150 is 149cc which is not highway legal (at least in CA)
WOT for extended periods is bad for any motor. I wouldn't do it for more than a mile or 2.
I have just over 1000 miles on mine, and I've only hit WOT once. That was only because I wanted to see what she had.
My Super 8 will hit around 55mph (approx. 62-64 on the speedo) with a little throttle left.
Regardless, you should always vary the throttle as you go to give the engine small bits of relief to avoid burning it up.
The sweet spot I've found is between 40-50 mph. It'll run those speeds all day with no complaints.
The Super 8 150 is NOT a highway bike! If you need to do prolonged highway speeds, you really need a bigger scoot.
NO VEHICLE SHOULD BE RUN AT FULL THROTTLE FOR MORE THAN SHORT BURSTS.
That's just my opinion. Let the debate begin!
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as much as you want really, i've usually run it on max as long as the road allows in my area, which is couple miles/minutes.
After your scoot was broken in, how long do you feel comfortable riding with the throttle wide open? Is it bad for the scoot to be wide open on flat roads for long distances?
Thanks!
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You will learn to hear when the engine is stressing, and when it is at a comfortable "cruise". I build Marine engines that run all day at WOT but I spend Hours balancing every moving part.
If the engine you have does NOT have the ability to run at the speed/RPM you need then it Must be either modified or upgraded.
There is really no other way around it.
I can repair anything that goes wrong so I have no hesitation to run mine harder than most would. I also take steps to improve the running condition of my engines. No Fear kinda thing.
Unless you are in my position I would really suggest being nice to your engines no matter what else I claim from time to time.
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super 8 150 is 149cc which is not highway legal (at least in CA)
It's not interstate legal. Normal U.S. highways it's perfectly legal, if not entirely smart.
Sorry. I didn't mean to nitpick. My OCD is acting up today!
::) 8)
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on my downtown I dont think about the moter it is the belt, W O T. is too fast 90 mph. at 7500 rpm.tail wind 94 mph. and keep it short or your looking for tickets, here they can seize the scooter, and loose your licence,. even at highway speeds your belt gets very hot,.
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VERY valid point. I ran Three times for a total of 3.8 miles on my Malossi Kevlar belt, and changed it.
Those were three speed runs at or over 80MPH on the ZX.
My experience with both Malossi Kevlars, and the abuse a CVT can dish out is what made the decision. I now have an OEM Bando in the bike for street use but even that gets replaced 2-3 times a year.
Belts are the weak link on these scooters.
You always get the nail on the head DeeDee!
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A few weeks ago I made the 52 mile trip home from the dealer on my S8. All 55MPH speed limit with about 7 small towns sprinkled along the way. After a while my cylinder head temp (CHT) sensor would get to 400 degrees F and that's when I back it down 5 MPH or so to let it cool down, then wind it back up again. I can't seem to get a definitive answer on CHT limit recommendations. Most places I've read that you shouldn't go over 350F but if I followed that, I'd be running 40MPH everywhere. I always back it down when I hit 400F which is only a few minutes of WOT. I can't imagine that they make these scooters so that they can't run WOT so that makes me think the CHT suggestion of 350F may not be right for air cooled scooters. If anyone could point me in the right direction to get a definitive answer that would be great. Any recommendations on air cooled engine info would suffice (i guess).
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This week would have been perfect has it has rained 3 days in a row and expected to do so for another 2. Perfect time to do an install project like that.
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will you be doing a youtube video of the installation?
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This week would have been perfect has it has rained 3 days in a row and expected to do so for another 2. Perfect time to do an install project like that.
will you be doing a youtube video of the installation?
Check out my removing panel videos. Those cover the install of the tach and temp sensors too.
Start here
1 - Super8 Removing Panels and Installing Tach and Temp Sensors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv37_R1v94s#)
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already checked them out, but I thought that this new install might be exploring some new scooter territory.
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Maaaaan I need a service manual like that!!! That's Epic!
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Full throttle all day ery day!
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Full throttle all day ery day!
Sure, yeah - but you're a scooter mechanic working in a scooter shop.
You understand scoots, and you can fix your scoot, and get the proper parts to get it back together, and have expert advice readily available, and the proper tools to do it all with.
All I have is the bigdamitalian mirrors and OEM crashbars - and two spare NGK Iridiums - so I can go faster than you....but if something goes South.....history has proven that I'd be pretty much on my own fixin' things.
Then again, one shouldn't go cruising endlessly at 25 mph either.
Who knew?
Stig
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I have pushed the S8 to 60mph on the speedo, but not for long. There is still a little bit of throttle left, but the motor gives me the impression of that's all it's got. Now granted, this is / was under 1k miles on the OD. Once i get past the 1500 mark, I may attempt to open it up a bit to see what the limit really is. Fortunately, the S8 150 offers just enough umph to get me through my daily commute; 45 - 60mph, avg commuting speed.
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I have pushed the S8 to 60mph on the speedo, but not for long. There is still a little bit of throttle left, but the motor gives me the impression of that's all it's got. Now granted, this is / was under 1k miles on the OD. Once i get past the 1500 mark, I may attempt to open it up a bit to see what the limit really is. Fortunately, the S8 150 offers just enough umph to get me through my daily commute; 45 - 60mph, avg commuting speed.
Nice, same here. My commute is like 45-55 for like 20 miles.
How far do you travel?
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Make sure you guys that are driving the 150's that far that hard check your oil regularly, like once a week. I've had two people blow up super 8's from long extended high speed because they didn't check their oil and it was bone dry. The air cooled gy6 consumes a bit of oil even when everything is in good shape.
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didn't check their oil and it was bone dry
50cc engine damage example (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=668635169852283&set=vb.1546565588903645&type=3&theater).
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Nice, same here. My commute is like 45-55 for like 20 miles.
How far do you travel?
13 miles, each direction (26 miles 'round trip). There are 3 expressways I travel throughout my commute, 1 posted at 45mph, the other 2 50mph posted. There are traffic lights along the way on each of the expressways.
In the morning and also depending on timing between green lights, is where I consistently travel at a higher rate of speed (50 - 55mph on the speedo), since traffic is lighter.
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Make sure you guys that are driving the 150's that far that hard check your oil regularly, like once a week. I've had two people blow up super 8's from long extended high speed because they didn't check their oil and it was bone dry. The air cooled gy6 consumes a bit of oil even when everything is in good shape.
Thanks for the heads up :thumbup After turning the 1k mark, and due to several threads I had read about checking the oil, sure enough, I needed to add about 50cc of oil. My last oil change was @600 miles.
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13 miles, each direction (26 miles 'round trip). There are 3 expressways I travel throughout my commute, 1 posted at 45mph, the other 2 50mph posted. There are traffic lights along the way on each of the expressways.
In the morning and also depending on timing between green lights, is where I consistently travel at a higher rate of speed (50 - 55mph on the speedo), since traffic is lighter.
Man, travel safe brother. Makes my travel seem easier lol
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I actually have been finding myself having to travel at higher speeds recently. I wonder if there is a transmission setup that would be preferable in this situation.
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I actually have been finding myself having to travel at higher speeds recently. I wonder if there is a transmission setup that would be preferable in this situation.
You have a 150 right? Get the Dr. Pulley for gy6 it kicks ass. I've found then as cheap as $90.
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That's choice #1
#2 is go 2 gram heavier on your rollers. That will take about 100-150 rpm off any given speed. It will slow down take off but greatly help highway rpm.
You might want to look into up gears for the GY 6 engine as well. I'm sure they are available, but not sure if the fit in a Kymco. a little looking around the web might answer that one.
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You have a 150 right? Get the Dr. Pulley for gy6 it kicks ass. I've found then as cheap as $90.
Yes sir I do. Nice!! I love finding things out that I had no idea about lol I'll look into this sir thank you.
That's choice #1
#2 is go 2 gram heavier on your rollers. That will take about 100-150 rpm off any given speed. It will slow down take off but greatly help highway rpm.
You might want to look into up gears for the GY 6 engine as well. I'm sure they are available, but not sure if the fit in a Kymco. a little looking around the web might answer that one.
Great!! And I was wondering about the weights. I'll try a bit heavier weight with a Dr Pulley setup. Once I get the parts and all that I'll post up!! 😊 maybe next paycheck. Even though the cold weather is going to suck.
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Yes sir I do. Nice!! I love finding things out that I had no idea about lol I'll look into this sir thank you.
Great!! And I was wondering about the weights. I'll try a bit heavier weight with a Dr Pulley setup. Once I get the parts and all that I'll post up!! 😊 maybe next paycheck. Even though the cold weather is going to suck.
If you order the Dr. Pulley variator, keep in mind it doesn't come with weights so you should order a set of 12-14g sliders. If you get a slightly stiffer clutch spring you can run heavier weights and not lose hill climb power