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Scooters - 50cc => Super 9 => Topic started by: Butch1978 on February 24, 2017, 03:21:50 PM
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Good Afternoon,
I was wondering if anyone can help me with this issue i have with my sons bike. He has a 2009 Super 9 50cc, and the electric start doesn't work, when you push the electric start button you can hear it click, but nothing else. I dont think its the battery as i can put the lights on and they work without the engine running! Obviously not as bright as it is when the engine is running or at revs. But i cant seem to figure out why it wont start? I have searched the web but it only seems to be issues with it not clicking, were my sons one does.
Thanks
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I think it's probably battery. How old is battery?, how often is the scooter ridden to charge the battery? You can get a new battery shipped to your door for approx $25, try BatteryShark. Good luck, Cheers
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I'm not familiar with the Super 9. Does it have a kick start? I would pull the battery, take it to a parts store and have it load tested. Starter motor turning over a motor is more battery load than lights.
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I think it's probably battery. How old is battery?, how often is the scooter ridden to charge the battery? You can get a new battery shipped to your door for approx $25, try BatteryShark. Good luck, Cheers
I have no idea how old the battery is as we have only had the bike 3 months. It is ridden nearly everyday, but only short journeys, plus the fuel gauge does tend to be intermittent, especially on short journeys
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I'm not familiar with the Super 9. Does it have a kick start? I would pull the battery, take it to a parts store and have it load tested. Starter motor turning over a motor is more battery load than lights.
Yes it does have a kick start, and starts perfectly on that. But the electric start just clicks.
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Have you removed the starter to see if looks OK, has free movement, maybe ground not making good connection? Good Luck :-)
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Have you removed the starter to see if looks OK, has free movement, maybe ground not making good connection? Good Luck :-)
I have just taken the battery to get tested! The mechanic thinks the battery or relay could be the issue. Do I think I may see what happens with the battery and possibly a new relay before I look at the starter motor
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Of the two, the relay would be the likely culprit IMHO.
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He did say that he heard a click when pressing the start button. For me, that usually means a functioning relay. I suppose, though, it could click but not make good contact.
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do you know how to access the relay?, probably have to remove some plastic panels, a pain, battery probably much easier to check, eliminate as the problem. I have two 2003 Super 9's, and had one 2004 (sold), all needed batteries, but otherwise all the electric components work, except tach on one 2003 Super 9. Sometimes, the switches, connections will act up if not used for a long time, have to disconnect/ reconnect wires to clear up connections, etc. Cheers
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do you know how to access the relay?, probably have to remove some plastic panels, a pain, battery probably much easier to check, eliminate as the problem. I have two 2003 Super 9's, and had one 2004 (sold), all needed batteries, but otherwise all the electric components work, except tach on one 2003 Super 9. Sometimes, the switches, connections will act up if not used for a long time, have to disconnect/ reconnect wires to clear up connections, etc. Cheers
I had the battery tested and it's poorly! So I have ordered a new one, I did find the relay and gave it a clean up! Fingers crossed it works
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Hope it works Butch!
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Hope it works Butch!
Nope it didn't work! So I'm going to replace the relay, then if that don't work I'm going to replace the start motor! It that fails then a can of fuel and a match may do the trick ;D
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Butch, you can do a quick and simple test of the starter motor with out removing it. Just locate the heavy red wire connected to your starter motor. Clip a red wire jumper clamp to the post you located, making sure the clamp touches nothing else. Then hook red to + and the black to-- on the other end of your jumper cables to any 12 volt good battery. Now go back to the bike and find an unpainted metal piece in the frame, ie: a nut or bolt and touch the remaining black wire clamp to it. Touch it hard and hold it. There will be a spark, so no fuel or fuel soaked rags near by. If the starter motor is good, it will spin. If it doesn't, then it's no good.
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Butch, you can do a quick and simple test of the starter motor with out removing it. Just locate the heavy red wire connected to your starter motor. Clip a red wire jumper clamp to the post you located, making sure the clamp touches nothing else. Then hook red to + and the black to-- on the other end of your jumper cables to any 12 volt good battery. Now go back to the bike and find an unpainted metal piece in the frame, ie: a nut or bolt and touch the remaining black wire clamp to it. Touch it hard and hold it. There will be a spark, so no fuel or fuel soaked rags near by. If the starter motor is good, it will spin. If it doesn't, then it's no good.
Ok this maybe a dump question but ! It does start on the kick start! So surely the starter motor must work? But I was thinking perhaps it may be too old and abit stiff for the battery to turn it over?
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The kick starter bypasses the starter motor. Instead of an electric motor to turn the engine to get it started, the kick starter uses your foot. The electric motor may be bad. Evidently your foot is not. ???
ok thanks! I wasnt sure so i thought id ask
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Looking back at my reply it looked kind of "smart alleccy" of me Butch. My apologies. There is no such thing as a dumb question. We are all learning here. Best of luck on your scooter. Please let us know if you get it sorted out.
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You the man, Mr. Paul!
Karl
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Butch, you can do a quick and simple test of the starter motor with out removing it. Just locate the heavy red wire connected to your starter motor. Clip a red wire jumper clamp to the post you located, making sure the clamp touches nothing else. Then hook red to + and the black to-- on the other end of your jumper cables to any 12 volt good battery. Now go back to the bike and find an unpainted metal piece in the frame, ie: a nut or bolt and touch the remaining black wire clamp to it. Touch it hard and hold it. There will be a spark, so no fuel or fuel soaked rags near by. If the starter motor is good, it will spin. If it doesn't, then it's no good.
Good advice here. In the process you could even discover a loose connection, corrosion or some such problem. Starter motors aren't cheap. I've purchased replacement parts only to find, upon installation, that there was an issue other than the part itself.
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Looking back at my reply it looked kind of "smart alleccy" of me Butch. My apologies. There is no such thing as a dumb question. We are all learning here. Best of luck on your scooter. Please let us know if you get it sorted out.
hi the reply was fine, and helpfull no worries!! However it now works!!New relay has been put on and buzz buzz it starts!! thanks for everyones help
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Great news Butch! Good job on getting it done sir. Now get out and riiiide! :D
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Of the two, the relay would be the likely culprit IMHO.
So it WAS the relay.
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Glad you found the problem and got it fixed. You said that since it would kick start then the starter motor much be okay. Not so. The kick start has nothing to do with the electric start system. Just a tid-bit of information that may help you at some point. There is a accumulative wealth of knowledge of Kymco vehicles on this site and is an excellent source of help. Happy scootering.
Mac