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Title: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: kbshaq on August 08, 2014, 06:01:21 PM
Does anyone have experience on the life expectancy of the CVT belts?
These belts aren't the easiest to get to to check for wear or cracks on the belt, that's why I'm asking.  :)

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: kfc.android on August 08, 2014, 08:44:51 PM
As you might already know, it depends on your riding style.
I ride very aggressively and constantly @ high rpm, so I check my belt every 3000 miles or so, last time I check it was 9300 miles, and it's still in very good condition.
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: Chris0381 on August 08, 2014, 11:13:04 PM
They will initially shed dust then after cleaning out the dust hardly shed anymore, thats been my experience.
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: Urbestfriend on August 09, 2014, 12:23:40 AM
Go to Grandvista Page.  Then page 3,  then go to line 15. "Shredded Belt"
Signed:  Urbestfriend
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: kbshaq on August 10, 2014, 03:57:50 AM
Thanks, urbestfriend.  Wow, your belt was blown to smithereens!  :)
Mine wasn't as bad, see attachment. :D
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: BettinANDlosing on August 10, 2014, 05:03:15 AM
It also really depends on the scooter. It's better to judge your belt by width. There is a spec in your service manual. I've NEVER seen a belt break before it was past it's service limit. Check the width with a micrometer and inspect for cracks or any defects.
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: blue on August 10, 2014, 11:42:44 AM
I replace mine every few years rather it needs it your not.most of mine stretch out of shape and will hit the starter bendex.good sign to replace belt.
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: kbshaq on August 11, 2014, 02:45:56 PM
I replace mine every few years rather it needs it your not.most of mine stretch out of shape and will hit the starter bendex.good sign to replace belt.

Yup, this will be my "credo" from now on.  :)
Getting stranded and waiting in an area where there's no cell signal isn't fun.
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: blue on August 12, 2014, 10:21:33 PM
When I get belts I get 2 at a time. If I have to ill change mine on the side of the rd. Did it once
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: Chris0381 on August 13, 2014, 12:20:12 AM
I just replaced my belt after 1500 Miles but mainly to have a spare also.
Title: Years Versus Miles
Post by: tortoise on August 14, 2014, 10:20:20 PM
experience on the life expectancy of the CVT belts
Geely-Jalon 139QMB 50cc 4-stroke (http://scootersus.com/x8.html) was put into service September 2005 and only used for nearby errands running 25-30 MPH.  Original belt looked to be in pretty good shape (http://i49.tinypic.com/29ljm9u.jpg) October 2009 at odometer 3072 kilometers (1909 miles) when installing NCY variator and 6 gram Dr. Pulley sliders (http://scootdawg.proboards.com/thread/27008/139qmb-variator-changeout-guidelines?page=1&scrollTo=271283).  Original belt failed August 2014 at odometer 6202 kilometers (3853 miles) . . around 8 years and 11 months service.  The 3 variator slides had disintegrated causing NCY guide wear.  The sliders still weighed 6 grams each.  Cleaned CVT chamber using compressed air, then brushing with a diluted Simple Green solution (http://scootdawg.proboards.com/post/332534/thread) and rinsing off.  Applied Walmart SuperTech grease to clutch torque driver bearings (http://www.zumaforums.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=17831) and starter bendix.  Re-installed the original variator with 3 new slides, 6 gram sliders, and a new Gates Powerlink 669-18-30 belt.  Applied blue thread locker prior to torquing clutch nut to 30 foot-pounds and variator nut to 40 foot-pounds.

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Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: MassScoot on August 15, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
I just replaced my belt after 1500 Miles but mainly to have a spare also.

Chris: 1500 miles? That's overkill. You should get @ least 7,000+ miles out of a decent belt. Kymco uses Gates (good stuff)
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: kfc.android on August 15, 2014, 03:02:30 PM
I think it's a good idea to replace your belt based on what your manual suggests.
It won't cost you too much money to just replace the belt, but it might cost you a lot because a broken belt might cause damage to other parts.
On my DT300 manual it says replace every 12,000 miles so it's not too bad for a $80 belt (Mitsuboshi, a Japanese company made that belt for kymco and the quality is really good)
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: MoToFaLcon on August 16, 2014, 08:42:20 PM
When ever you change your belt, how does everyone go about torque on the nuts? Guessometer or torque wrench?  Hoping for guessometer lol, i hate torque settings.  ::)
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: Tierney on August 17, 2014, 12:58:23 AM
I just read in the Kymco service manual that the belt should be changed at 10,000 kilometers - 6,200 miles. Does this seem right?
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: Chris0381 on August 17, 2014, 01:39:27 AM
When ever you change your belt, how does everyone go about torque on the nuts? Guessometer or torque wrench?  Hoping for guessometer lol, i hate torque settings.  ::)

I use a variator holding tool and 1/2" HF torque wrench to 40 ft/lbs plus and extra click or two. I only replaced mine after 1500 miles to have a spare in my storage compartment that I should be able to replace roadside.
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: BettinANDlosing on August 17, 2014, 05:48:09 PM
I use a variator holding tool and 1/2" HF torque wrench to 40 ft/lbs plus and extra click or two. I only replaced mine after 1500 miles to have a spare in my storage compartment that I should be able to replace roadside.
I've ALWAYS used impact wrench, 3/8 electric never stripped a variator nut out had one come loose.
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: Chris0381 on August 17, 2014, 08:39:37 PM
I've ALWAYS used impact wrench, 3/8 electric never stripped a variator nut out had one come loose.

I dont have an impact wrench but after removing my variator twice already, I feel the variator nut comes loose because some people tighten the pulley on the belt with out compressing the torque spring to ensure the belt is lose. An Impact wrench is on the to buy list though bettin, I agree its much easier and faster.
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: klaviator on August 19, 2014, 07:34:26 PM
I use an impact wrench to remove the nuts but always use a torque wrench to tighten them.  I currently have 10,500 miles on the belt of my Super 8 150.  I will be changing the belt, rollers and sliding blocks soon.  I changed the original belt after only 7000 miles but that was way to soon.  It still looked like it was new and had no noticeable wear. 
Title: Re: Years Versus Miles
Post by: kfc.android on August 19, 2014, 08:47:37 PM
Applied Walmart SuperTech grease to clutch torque driver bearings and starter bendix.

(http://i62.tinypic.com/2v9wzlc.jpg)

I didn't see that we need to apply grease on my service manual, is it a must to do that? If so, I will need to do it as soon as possible.
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: BettinANDlosing on August 20, 2014, 01:55:33 AM
I use an impact wrench to remove the nuts but always use a torque wrench to tighten them.  I currently have 10,500 miles on the belt of my Super 8 150.  I will be changing the belt, rollers and sliding blocks soon.  I changed the original belt after only 7000 miles but that was way to soon.  It still looked like it was new and had no noticeable wear.
If you're going off the dash that's kms not miles.
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: klaviator on August 20, 2014, 02:55:23 AM
If you're going off the dash that's kms not miles.

The ODO on my Super 8 reads in miles, not kms. 
Title: Re: CVT belt life expectancy?
Post by: MassScoot on August 20, 2014, 08:52:01 AM
Like I mentioned....Every 7,000 miles is about right.