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General => Roadcraft => Topic started by: ClayMation on December 29, 2017, 05:53:13 AM
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Hey,
Owner of a Kymco Xciting500 here.
I wanted to exchange info and ideas on how to deal with tailgaters, particularly the ones who tailgate at higher speeds, like 70, 80, 90, etc.
How do you guys handle it? How do you feel about it? How do you want to prevent it in the future?
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I slow down with the tail lights flashing and turn off to the right ,better they are in front of you,.
wrong picture again my naked downtown
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trying to post pictures,. looks like my piaggio with home made top box mounting plate,
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top box with lights this time, full line running lights , shot lights turn sygnal
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I handle it by getting out of the way.
How do I like it? Not a fan.
How to prevent it? Can’t.
That’s why I get out of the way.
AMAC
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I loved the way MSF Basic course put it: "Increase your following distance...." as opposed to slowing down! I guess they wanted to convey the idea of slowing A LITTLE. So we would not brake check the tailgater. I am amazed at the number of people who will tailgate but never seem willing to pass. Real problem here in the Deep South it seems. Slowing a little seems to work on two or more lanes going in the same direction but is nearly unworkable on a two-lane with unlimited visibility and no opposing traffic. This tailgate problem is really tough because generally we can stop quicker than a car as long as we stay up and the cagers do not ever consider this. Californis freeways have been traditionally (from my experience starting 1960) fast paced and tightly packed and I don't think there is a whole lot we can do about it. Skinny roads as an alternative work in the country not in the LA basin or any populated area.
Karl
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Pump the brake lights a few times. If that doesn't work. Speed up if possible. If that doesn't work, find a place to pull over the let them by; with a courteous gesture.
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Here in the Memphis area, we have the additional problem, on the interstate loop, especially the south 240 loop, of two or three cars or rockets racing each other. They dodge from lane to lane at 70 mph and up, tailgating, near misses on passing and cutting off other drivers. Down right dangerous, even if you're in a cage, and even more so, on a bike. Law enforcement looks the other way. Best defense is stay off the loop or ride in far right lane, even thought they aren't opposed to passing on the shoulder in order to win their race. Karl can verify this, I.m sure.
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Sure can, Mac!
Karl
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trying to post pictures,. looks like my piaggio with home made top box mounting plate,
On these narcissistic California freeways, that methodology can be quite dangerous because the person in the next lane may also be far past the speed limit.
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I handle it by getting out of the way.
How do I like it? Not a fan.
How to prevent it? Can’t.
That’s why I get out of the way.
AMAC
That looks nice. I do have the built in hazard light feature on the xciting500. I tried using it once and realized people here are not going to respond to it. This was when I was going about 75 in the "fast lane" and somebody was tailgating me till I knocked it up to 90!
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I handle it by getting out of the way.
How do I like it? Not a fan.
How to prevent it? Can’t.
That’s why I get out of the way.
AMAC
Getting out of the way meaning pulling to the side?
On these southern California freeways that is not often a viable option because a lot of drivers drive the same way. They take their aggressions out on the freeway. For me getting out of the way is becoming a master of lane splitting and hopping. With extreme caution however. Being from New York, I have learned to have super-hero like peripheral vision and to see things from a distance instead of wait till when they're right upon me. Again, with extreme caution and conscientiousness.
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Pump the brake lights a few times. If that doesn't work. Speed up if possible. If that doesn't work, find a place to pull over the let them by; with a courteous gesture.
I've learned that some degree of traffic is most drivers enemies but a friend and ALLY when you are on a bike. I enjoy being able to squeeze into spaces that automobile drivers cannot. It makes me feel like i'm riding a horse or something.
In California there seems to be a weird disdain for motorcyclists on the part of a segment of the population, and I think that is why some individuals angrily tailgate us. On the other hand I have observed the angry tailgate tendency irregardless of vehicle type.
I think it might be a mistake to try and wrap our minds around the psychology of pathological tailgaters. The best thing I feel is to always have a plan to look ahead, look behind and get the peripheral vision and reflexes to the point of near perfection. This way, I am in almost complete control of the situation.
Of course, that means to a very certain degree. I cannot control the world around me, but I can control my place in it.
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Getting out of the way meaning pulling to the side?
On these southern California freeways that is not often a viable option because a lot of drivers drive the same way. They take their aggressions out on the freeway. For me getting out of the way is becoming a master of lane splitting and hopping. With extreme caution however. Being from New York, I have learned to have super-hero like peripheral vision and to see things from a distance instead of wait till when they're right upon me. Again, with extreme caution and conscientiousness.
No I mean the right lane.
I’ve done 10 of thousands of miles on scoots on the slab. Ran from NJ to Florida on a s200 on the small side and San Diego to Sonoma a number of times on an DT300 so I get how it’s done. Never needed to pull to the shoulder.
I’ve never fooled myself into thinking i have some superhero power to avaoid a holes even though I’m from Brooklyn. If you can’t take the tailgaters, swerves, texters etal it’s time for an SUV.
AMAC
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Not going in to details, two actions, be pro-active and move over. See the trouble before it sees you and avoid it. Coming from 90's, I used to street race and everything that I could've done and stupidly done have been done by me. I don't any more but every time I see clowns pull sh**s on the highway like that I laugh at them, all because I've seen and done way worse. Not proud but I can say I've been there. I am not fastest or slowest by any means, but avoiding trouble and get to your destination safely is the GAME!
I tend to change my driving/riding habit according the machine/comfort zone I am operating. Most people can't make that change or judgment. Let's face it, scooter on the highway is the bottom of the food chain and everyone wants a piece of you lol it's the mentality in the USA. Most people think scooter is a toy, most people think crashing 60mph on scooter some how hurts less then anything, most people think your slow, most people think your a tree hugger, most people think your poor, and lastly most people don't respect scooters or care for it and that includes other motorcycle riders lol
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I tend to change my driving/riding habit according the machine/comfort zone I am operating. Most people can't make that change or judgment. Let's face it, scooter on the highway is the bottom of the food chain and everyone wants a piece of you lol it's the mentality in the USA. Most people think scooter is a toy, most people think crashing 60mph on scooter some how hurts less then anything, most people think your slow, most people think your a tree hugger, most people think your poor, and lastly most people don't respect scooters or care for it and that includes other motorcycle riders lol
Funny that you mentioned that. When people seeing me riding with protective pants and jacket on I get funny looks like, "why are you wearing that, you are only on a scooter". Somehow it is ok for motorcycle riders to wear leathers or other types of protective gear around town but people don't realize that coming off a scooter at 60 kmh is going to do the same damage as if you came off a motorcycle. The large number of scooter riders that ride in just a t-shirt with jeans or shorts projects that scooter riding is just a bit of fun and not to be taken seriously.
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I don't understand all the negative California driver talk here. I like California drivers better than any other state I drive in and that's a lot of states. Folks often pull over from the left lane to let faster drivers through.
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No I mean the right lane.
I’ve done 10 of thousands of miles on scoots on the slab. Ran from NJ to Florida on a s200 on the small side and San Diego to Sonoma a number of times on an DT300 so I get how it’s done. Never needed to pull to the shoulder.
I’ve never fooled myself into thinking i have some superhero power to avaoid a holes even though I’m from Brooklyn. If you can’t take the tailgaters, swerves, texters etal it’s time for an SUV.
AMAC
Yesterday for example. I was pulling over to the right lane and someone was speeding in IT also. So I had to knock it up a bit.
I don't think there is a definite right-lane, left-lane rule to be honest. I think people in California are just Narcissistic drivers and the best avoidance is prevention and looking far far ahead of things.
Knowing and respecting my bikes abilities and limits is the other and works right into that.
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Not going in to details, two actions, be pro-active and move over. See the trouble before it sees you and avoid it. Coming from 90's, I used to street race and everything that I could've done and stupidly done have been done by me. I don't any more but every time I see clowns pull sh**s on the highway like that I laugh at them, all because I've seen and done way worse. Not proud but I can say I've been there. I am not fastest or slowest by any means, but avoiding trouble and get to your destination safely is the GAME!
I tend to change my driving/riding habit according the machine/comfort zone I am operating. Most people can't make that change or judgment. Let's face it, scooter on the highway is the bottom of the food chain and everyone wants a piece of you lol it's the mentality in the USA. Most people think scooter is a toy, most people think crashing 60mph on scooter some how hurts less then anything, most people think your slow, most people think your a tree hugger, most people think your poor, and lastly most people don't respect scooters or care for it and that includes other motorcycle riders lol
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with that last part.
I'm in California though, and all i've had is nothing but respect from motorcyclists of all kinds. Hipsters on Vespa's? Another story altogether, but still.
It's not a scooter thing, it's a driving on anything with two wheels thing. Motorcyclists here tell me the same stories all the time about people trying to race them and getting disrespected.
I honestly don't think people look at you and go "oh, that's not a motorcycle it's a scooter". Especially when you're doing 90 mph on the freeway and passing most people who behave themselves at 70 mph.
About changing my driving habit based on what I am driving.
Well, the good thing is that the Kymco is my only mode of transport so I am getting a lot more experience with driving on it much than the average weekend warrior would I think. Ya know, those dudes with a car who just want a weekend toy to ride to the beach on?
For me, and a lot of other Californian motorcyclists, it's a main mode of commute. And in some ways it works in our favor.
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I don't understand all the negative California driver talk here. I like California drivers better than any other state I drive in and that's a lot of states. Folks often pull over from the left lane to let faster drivers through.
Agreed.
It's not the California drivers pe se, it's the California Freeway system combined with a few handfuls of drivers who don't concern themselves for anybody elses safety.
Now that said, I still think the good and conscientious drivers here far outnumber the bad ones, but there are still enough bad ones to be noticeable and inspire one to polish up ones motorcycle driving skills.
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"I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with that last part.
I'm in California though, and all i've had is nothing but respect from motorcyclists of all kinds. Hipsters on Vespa's? Another story altogether, but still."
Can't tell you how many times I've been passed by crotchrocket and Harleys on the same lane without a wave or gesture that they were going to pass me, did I mentioned on the same lane? Oh and don't get me started on how they wouldn't even look at you waiting for the same light lol oh and when you are first when took off at the light they have to gun it just to make sure they don't look bad by your puny scooters.
How I know is when I am on my 1125cc crotchrocket, NO and not even once has any of the above mentioned ever happens. And no I'm not your weekend cruiser, I have 4 cars and 2500hd truck two cars are over 500hp to the wheels but I still ride my scooter the most. Rain, snow, wind oh and 30 below wind chill lol at one time I was doing 70 miles a day to work!
My wife actually prefers me riding scooter because I am much much more cautious and a tad slower lol
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It's not a scooter thing, it's a driving on anything with two wheels thing. Motorcyclists here tell me the same stories all the time about people trying to race them and getting disrespected.
I honestly don't think people look at you and go "oh, that's not a motorcycle it's a scooter". Especially when you're doing 90 mph on the freeway and passing most people who behave themselves at 70 mph
Disrespected?
Does that really bother you, really..........?
Come on man.
AMAC
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I increase my following distance in hopes that if something happens in front of me I have time to decelerate slowly or maneuver before the tailgater hits me. Occasionally I will open my left hand and drop it down for the driver behind me to take a courteous "hint". If I can I will get away from them altogether.
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The higher the speed, the more critical your actions become to alleviate the problem. Probably the safest thing anyone can do is tail a truck that is governed to 65-67 mph and just let all the yuppie lemmings go around. You are in Californis, right? When the traffic packs up lane split until it starts moving again.
Karl
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I agree Karl, wish all states can do lane splitting, instead CO gets weeds! There is an art to go slow :) It's more fun to make/drive slow machines fast. constant Smoothness, anticiptations and lots of planning is the key.
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Wearing a pair of these leather chaps with nothing on underneath might stop a few people getting to close to you. ;D
(http://gonetouring.com.au/Portals/0/Images/GT_Chaps_006.jpg)
But on a serious note I do get very annoyed being tailgated especially when all the traffic is moving slow. I fail to see how tailgating me is going to get the cars in front of me to increase their speed.
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It’s not a great that we’ve all been there (dealing with tailgaters), but good that we can share our experienced and advice here on the forum.
I think it depends on the situation. My flaws is I hate being made to feel like a second class citizen whenever I’m riding. As one poster put it, we’re the bottom of the 2-wheel food chain, but those are other’s perceptions and not ours. It’s a flaw I have to watch because it can lead to road rage and making stupid decisions.
So, I’ve learned to adjust my decisions based on the situation. If I’m riding behind someone and maintaining a 2-second following distance, while in the right (or cruising) lane(s) then I’m going to be confused by any tailgater.
If I’m in the passing lane while overtaking a line of vehicles AND being tailgated, I pull over to the right lanes when safe to do so. If it’ll will be a while before that passing opportunity happens I drop my left arm to my side and make a ‘back-off’ waving motion. Most drivers (in my experience) will do so. Of course there’s always that a-hole that won’t listen, or doesn’t get it. If slowing down won’t make them back off I’ll hit my hazards lights followed by more waving motions. The first chance I get I’ll switch lanes, but managing my safety is more important.
I have a feeling the scenario we’re talking about here are the tailgaters on the two lane road. I’ll pull over if it’s pretty clear the driver is acting in an erratic, reckless and dangerous way. It’s better to have them in front, and if I’m motorvlogging I’d rather have them ahead of me just to get their plate number on camera. Speeding up can also do a lot, but I won’t go too fast if my wife is with me. We were once passed by a BMV driver who actually (and illegally) drove on the shoulder of the road in a residential neighborhood just to pass us (wish I had that on camera).
I wish there was a convenient way to report tailgagters along with other hazardous drivers (cell phone users or drunks). Technology isn’ty There yet, but hopefully soon.
- Wolf
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No longer have a dog in this scrap....having sold my Burgman 400 freeway flyer for a little 55mph Piaggio.
Except we all deal with tailgaters, nearly ea. day.
I put the signal on and pull to the curb.
Not looking for respect...just getting down the lane safely on my fun to ride scooter.
Sure I get mad when drivers do stupid stuff near me. If I'm really angry I get off the road and off the scoot for a bit.
I did enjoy tailgaters when driving my county truck. 🐌
Stig
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I have a buddy who was running the speed limit on the slab, a few years back, and signaled for a right lane change to exit on a 250 Honda Elite and then he was riding on the hood of an older car, which had rear ended him. He didn't feel like he was hurt all that bad until the cage driver noticed he had picked up a passenger and slammed on the binders. It did not help that the old car had a hood ornament, which my friend had cleared on the first pass, but was not so lucky on the second. This all occurred at about 60 mph. Thru it all he was still blessed and only got some cuts to his backside and a bunch of bruises. No broken bones. He gave me the scooter and hung up his helmet. I had it in riding condition in a couple of days. but he wouldn't take it back. They don't always end that nice.
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... Let's face it, scooter on the highway is the bottom of the food chain and everyone wants a piece of you lol it's the mentality in the USA. Most people think scooter is a toy, most people think crashing 60mph on scooter some how hurts less then anything, most people think your slow, most people think your a tree hugger, most people think your poor, and lastly most people don't respect scooters or care for it and that includes other motorcycle riders lol
You nailed it, Yao. Here in the US, we scooter riders are Rodney Dangerfield ... no respect. Hopefully, we can slowly change that attitude.
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I used to have a Vespa GTS 250 with a few (ahem) modifications that would beat anything from a stop. Autos and motorcycle riders would get their panties in a bunch when I always beat them off the line and stayed far ahead, until max speed. I couldn't outrun the Harleys on long straightaways. Once passed a line of cars doing 90 on the interstate and got some funny looks. Came to my senses and sold the bike minus upgrades a few years ago; now happy in the slow lane.
I am completely on board with you guys about the scooter/motorcycle safety issue. What difference does it make what you fall off of at 50 mph, moto or scoot?
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I move over, pronto.