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General => Technical | How To => Topic started by: Stig / Major Tom on September 18, 2017, 11:22:23 PM
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For the scooter nerds out there - pictures of an oil change.
Reached 600 miles today - and got started with the first service.
Oil & filter change today....then valves & other specified items soon.
Taking my time learning this new scooter.
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Tools used : incl. a shorty 24mm socket to fit under the exhaust pipe. Allen wrench for final tightening of new filter - channel locks to break loose factory installed filte.
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Prefilter removed with needle nose pliers.,
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Will shop for & use a suitable strap wrench for the filter, next time.
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Rinsed the screen (no metal in there) in gas, oiled the three 0-Rings.
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Cleaned up and snugged up.
Add the 5W-40 Belray (careful - the bottles are 1000ml - NOT a Qt.!)
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Lessons learned with this new to me scooter: allen wrench didn't work for me for filter removal. Holds more oil than my Kymco - so needed bigger pan. Over-filled due to misreading the Belray bottle. (took awhile to find suitable siphon device - less than 1/4" over on the stick - but was NOT going to leave my new scooter over-filled by any amount)
Stig
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Do you check the oil with dip stick screwed in or out?
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Do you check the oil with dip stick screwed in or out?
Well you check the level with it out but you screw it in all the way to get a proper reading.
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Well you check the level with it out but you screw it in all the way to get a proper reading.
MJ,
That's the kind of stuff that will get you short-sheeted in the barracks! ;-)
Stig
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Do you check the oil with dip stick screwed in or out?
Yeah, you screw it in.
My confusion started with the manual giving the fill amount in a figure I'd not seen before. I think it was cubic inches ?? or cubic ounces ??
Then went to google to convert to qts....which lead to cardinal sin - overfill with litre bottle of Belray - WTH ?
Then I find a gently canted fill neck with a straw sized hole in the recess - this is going to lead to oil running onto my newspaper!
The weirdo shape of the oil filter was frosting, too. Italians still P O'd about WWII I guess. Manual says, "oil change ?- take it to authorized dealer"
Sure.
Lotsofun.
Called it a day - saving valves for next adventure.
Stig
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Tom, when I come to an engine that I don't know the correct fill cap. I check the oil level before I drain and then use a bucket that has a quart measurement on the side and I put back the same amount of oil that I drained out, plus filter. Then I run the engine , shut it off and wait 3 or 4 minutes and check the level and top off if necessary. What you said MJR is a bit confusing. The stick must either be threaded in all the way OR pushed in all the way to get the correct level. That information should be in the owner's manual and it is some times written on the dip stick, itself. A lot of Honda's have it on the stick, as well as in the owners's manual. Not doing it correctly can amount to as much as 1/4 inch difference on the stick. If ya'll get tired of my "Know-It-Allness" Let me know and I'll just read. (LOL)
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Tom, when I come to an engine that I don't know the correct fill cap. I check the oil level before I drain and then use a bucket that has a quart measurement on the side and I put back the same amount of oil that I drained out, plus filter. Then I run the engine , shut it off and wait 3 or 4 minutes and check the level and top off if necessary. What you said MJR is a bit confusing. The stick must either be threaded in all the way OR pushed in all the way to get the correct level. That information should be in the owner's manual and it is some times written on the dip stick, itself. A lot of Honda's have it on the stick, as well as in the owners's manual. Not doing it correctly can amount to as much as 1/4 inch difference on the stick. If ya'll get tired of my "Know-It-Allness" Let me know and I'll just read. (LOL)
Yep, I planned to carefully measure what came out....but :
1) couldn't get measuring cup under drain
2) drain pan I grabbed was about to overflow!
Lessons learned.
MJ was joking....can't check level with stick still screwed in....unless you're Super Man;-)
Stig
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CHECKED THE MANUAL 1.5 Lt. ADDED TUNGSTEN DISULFIDE ---LIKE YAGER 200--- 1 TEASPOON LEVEL,. PORED 1.4 OIL IN CONTAINER ADD DISULFIDE, WILL CHECK OIL LEVEL AFTER RUNNING ENGINE, FOUND OIL LEVEL WAS GOOD ,. then took it for a ride , before supper, 100 Km. and the engine is a lot smoother, kept up with HW. cars for awhile , at 140 Kmh. positive cut-off at 85 MPH.IT HOLDS SPEED UP HILL ,at 140 Km .oil change milage 3269 Km. ( 2000 ) miles Km. now 3380. going for a after dinner ride
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What you said MJR is a bit confusing. The stick must either be threaded in all the way OR pushed in all the way to get the correct level. That information should be in the owner's manual and it is some times written on the dip stick, itself. A lot of Honda's have it on the stick, as well as in the owners's manual. Not doing it correctly can amount to as much as 1/4 inch difference on the stick. If ya'll get tired of my "Know-It-Allness" Let me know and I'll just read. (LOL)
I'm not aware of a scew in dipstick that you check the level without screwing it in. All cars I've had you screw the PS cap on then unscrew it to check the level. I can't speak to Stig's Liberty per se but it's quite clear in my Aprilia (part of Piaggio) Atlantic manual for both the engine oil and transmission/final drive oil to fully screw in the dipstick to get the proper reading. Now if you know there is a .25" difference in where it reads on the dipstick between screwing it in and just putting it in without screwing it in that one could estimate the level by filling .25" below full. My reply was a bit of a joke that you have to pull the dip stick out to read it but have to screw it in to get a proper reading.
I so like having a sight glass on my other bikes.
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I got you MJR. You meant, unscrew it, pull it out, wipe it off and then screw it back in and then screw it back out to read it. OK. I'm a little dense some times. I have a Honda FourTrax that says right on the plastic dip stick. "Do not thread in to check.", but at any rate the owner's manual will tell you how it should be done
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I don't bother screwing it in , I look at the thread it is 3/8 inch, that's where I check the dip stick 3/8 from the full mark,.
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My LIKE200i has a screw in dipstick, that you are supposed to check without screwing in.
I think......
Stig
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I hate to wear a , no big deal issue out MJR, but I did a little research on the dip stick thingie. Every ATV sold in America says do not thread in the check, except Polaris. 90% of the dirt bikes say the same. Not trying to be a dip stick, myself, just trying to justify why I asked the question to begin with.
My Harley had two full level marks on it's stick. One for side stand and one for upright and all HD's are push in all the way, no threads. This one way I learn. A young man corrected me concerning the location of the air jet on a CV carb. here on this forum, so I read up on it, he was right. Another lesson learned and for that, I say thank you.
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I hate to wear a , no big deal issue out MJR, but I did a little research on the dip stick thingie. Every ATV sold in America says do not thread in the check, except Polaris. 90% of the dirt bikes say the same. Not trying to be a dip stick, myself, just trying to justify why I asked the question to begin with.
My Harley had two full level marks on it's stick. One for side stand and one for upright and all HD's are push in all the way, no threads. This one way I learn. A young man corrected me concerning the location of the air jet on a CV carb. here on this forum, so I read up on it, he was right. Another lesson learned and for that, I say thank you.
Never owned any of those so I'm not aware of them but ok. I hate dipsticks on bikes, sight glasses are much nicer. :-) I really wish my Aprilia had a sight glass.
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The glass certainly makes it easier and no mess. What you see is what you got.
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Pretty sure none of the Taiwanese bikes want ya to screw 'em in.
I checked my SYM manual and my Kymco S200, & GT300i manual on this.
The S was a bit unclear, but the other two specified to not screw the dipstick in while checking.
From the GT300I manual
ENGINE OIL
OIL LEVEL INSPECTION
Stop the engine and support the scooter
upright on the level ground.
Wait for 2~3 minutes and check the oil level
with the dipstick. Do not screw in the dipstick
when checking the oil level.
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Seen largish bikes that do not have center stands, dip-stick must be checked with bike held upright.
HD's with side stand mark on stick is brilliant!
I will not resume my tirade on sight windows!....but does anyone make one which is geared for viewing on a center stand?
Stig
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I've been told that Suzuki doesn't but that's all I've ever done on my 650. No issues in ~40k miles on 'em.
Seen largish bikes that do not have center stands, dip-stick must be checked with bike held upright.
HD's with side stand mark on stick is brilliant!
I will not resume my tirade on sight windows!....but does anyone make one which is geared for viewing on a center stand?
Stig
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I will not resume my tirade on sight windows!....but does anyone make one which is geared for viewing on a center stand?
Meaning? The B650 you either have to stand back quite a bit to see, use a mirror, or get down. I've notice on the MyRoad it's quite easy to see walking up from the rear area or even close to the bike. All checked on the center stand.
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Meaning? The B650 you either have to stand back quite a bit to see, use a mirror, or get down. I've notice on the MyRoad it's quite easy to see walking up from the rear area or even close to the bike. All checked on the center stand.
Serious Burgman 400 guys tell you that you cannot get an accurate oil level reading unless the scoot is off of the center stand, held dead level, no weight on seat, mono-shock at mid setting, moon over left shoulder. One is also supposed to check the oil level during fuel stops if running it hard and long on the interstate. (many theories about where the oil is departing to, but it is leaving)
Get out the mirror, hire a kid, or kneel in the gas/oil/water puddle at the Shell station in a driving rain storm while you hold the 500 lb scooter dead level with one hand to look at a little dirty window in the dark
Stig
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All of this discussion on oil level checking comes back to my original question to Tom. Does your Piaggio owner's manual tell you to check it threaded in or out. It matters. If you fail to follow the manufactures directions you will wind up with a reading of 1/4 ~ 3/8 inch high or low, unless you use Kentucky windage like de dee does. (LOL)
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Dipstick is to be fully threaded into the engine.
I'm not the only owner complaining of fill hole just slightly larger than the dipstick. ...and fill hole is nearly horizontal. Makes filling really great fun.
Stig
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Serious Burgman 400 guys tell you that you cannot get an accurate oil level reading unless the scoot is off of the center stand, held dead level, no weight on seat, mono-shock at mid setting, moon over left shoulder. One is also supposed to check the oil level during fuel stops if running it hard and long on the interstate. (many theories about where the oil is departing to, but it is leaving)
Get out the mirror, hire a kid, or kneel in the gas/oil/water puddle at the Shell station in a driving rain storm while you hold the 500 lb scooter dead level with one hand to look at a little dirty window in the dark
From the Burgman 650 Factory Service Manual under oil change.
• Keep the motorcycle upright with the center stand.
• Start the engine and allow it to run for three minutes at idling speed.
• Turn off the engine and wait about three minutes, then check the oil level through the inspection window A. If the level is below mark “Lâ€, add oil to “F†level. If the level is above mark “Fâ€, drain oil to “F†level.
From the MyRoad Factory Service manual.
Start the engine and let it idle for 2ï¼3 minutes.
Turn off the engine and support the scooter level surface.
Check the engine oil level. The level must be maintained between the upper H (1) and lower level L (2) marks on the oil inspection screen (3). If the oil level is below or near the lower level line, add the recommended engine oil until the oil level is to the upper level.
From the Aprilia Atlantic Factory Service manual.
Position the vehicle on firm and flat ground.
Position the vehicle on the centre stand.
Switch off the engine, let the oil flow into the crankcase and allow the engine and oil to cool down.
Unscrew and extract the plug/dipstick.
Clean the partime in contact with the oil with a clean cloth.
Tighten the plug/dipstick completely, screwing it into the filling hole.
Withdrawal the plug/dipstick again and read the oil level on the dipstick itself.
And for checking the transmission oil
Put the vehicle on a solid and flat surface.
Put the vehicle on the central stand.
Unscrew and remove the cap/dipstick.
Clean dipstick with a clean cloth.
Completely screw the cap/dipstick into the filling hole.
Remove the cap/dipstick again and check the oil level.
As others have stated it seems the Kymco line with an oil dipstick says not to screw it back in to check the oil level. The Italian scooters like Piaggio and Aprilia have you screw the dipstick in all the way to check oil level. It seems the Japanese scoots with a oil dipstick (checked Honda Helix) sys not to screw it back in to check the level. You'd really think all would try to make the procedure standard, sheese.
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Well heck that explains why my burger's been OK to date. I do check it on the CS
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Ummmm, one more question: Honda mower. In or out??
Somebody left the manual in the bubble wrap....then his wife tossed it.
Wish Suzy had same easy instructions for the 400.
Stig
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Ummmm, one more question: Honda mower. In or out??
Somebody left the manual in the bubble wrap....then his wife tossed it.
http://m.powerequipment.honda.com/support/owners-manuals/lawn-mowers/hrr (http://m.powerequipment.honda.com/support/owners-manuals/lawn-mowers/hrr)
From one of the Honda mover manuals.
a. Wipe the dipstick clean.
b. Insert and remove the dipstick without screwing it into the filler neck. Check the oil level shown on the dipstick.
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If nothing else comes of all this, at least, we've established the importance of checking the oil BY THE BOOK. This is how we learn. Thanks to all for your input.
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Now I know why my oil level is wrong: I set the bike on the center stand, instead of the centre stand!
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Now I know why my oil level is wrong: I set the bike on the center stand, instead of the centre stand!
Well, heck yes!
With our crowned roads - you park on the wrong side of the street and you're going to get a bad reading.
U.K. and colonies L side of street; Wally World > R side of road.
The confusion comes with those who cannot still find their manual: "facing traffic" , or "with traffic"...???
Engines will grenade if you get this all wrong. No worries - if it hasn't, yet.
(I used to do free services on an elderly female coworker's VW Beetle. A custodian at our hospital. Removed the oil drain....and had to dig the crud out with a screwdriver, then it plopped out like yogurt. And 2 spark plugs were crossthreaded.
She followed the serv. sched. of, "don't messwidit if it's running" - not a bad plan on VW's....and Sears mowers.)
Stig
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Stuo! Go to your room!
Karl
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Sorry, Papa Karl, I be good.