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Scooters - 50cc => Like 50 2T => Topic started by: Ajayprasad on August 02, 2019, 06:10:59 PM

Title: Variator nut
Post by: Ajayprasad on August 02, 2019, 06:10:59 PM
I got a locking tool that I swear doesn’t fit from buzzetti. I can’t find anything online about it. Also I are we reverse thread?
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on August 02, 2019, 10:21:06 PM
No.
Try a $12 from ebay.
works on the LIKE200i.
Stig
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: 245luigi on August 05, 2019, 07:39:23 PM
Use an impact otherwise you have to block the piston then turn the nut. No block take out the spark plug and feed in some rope, turn the piston until its blocked by the rope, then take off the nut with a socket/wrench. No reverse thread
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: CROSSBOLT on August 05, 2019, 08:49:05 PM
I got a locking tool that I swear doesn’t fit from buzzetti. I can’t find anything online about it. Also I are we reverse thread?
Which Buzzeti wrench did you get? The motorcycle clutch holding tool on Amazon looks like it would work well for less than 11 bucks. It's like what Stig suggested from ebay for a little over 12. I use a home-made one long enough to use the floor to stop the handle. That way  I can use a breaker bar and cheater pipe/extension on the breaker bar.
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on August 05, 2019, 09:14:32 PM
Yes, use proper tool.
Jamming something against the piston....and then stressing every internal part until that heavy nut breaks loose does not seem like a good idea.
Nothing is stressed if using the proper holding tool in the proper position.

Stig
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: Ajayprasad on August 05, 2019, 10:48:03 PM
This one, which is similar to others. I'm not the smartest person in the world but I couldn't find a way it would work without some modifications. It was not the right length or on the same plane. I took some washers and put them in between the tool and the frame; then I used vice grips on the top part to hold it in place.
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: 245luigi on August 05, 2019, 11:47:01 PM
To my knowledge there is no tool like you linked for the Like. Instead of using rope, you could always use a piston stop which does the same exact thing

https://www.scooter-attack.com/media/catalog/product/cache/39/image/b8f0e7da4a117134976ad44a19bcff2f/m/f/mf9900055_mf9900055_01.jpg (https://www.scooter-attack.com/media/catalog/product/cache/39/image/b8f0e7da4a117134976ad44a19bcff2f/m/f/mf9900055_mf9900055_01.jpg)

Looks like that
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: CROSSBOLT on August 06, 2019, 10:57:34 AM
Like Stig said that I will emphasize, piston stop IS A REAL BAD IDEA!! This thingy in your picture mates up with the ring gear behind the variator on the crank. This may or may not fit your machine. If your Buzzeti tool is the adjustable with the two pins that fit in the two holes in the front pulley just get a 2 foot length of water or gas pipe to slip over its handle and use the floor to hold it from turning while you use another pipe on your breaker bar to turn the nut to the LEFT. I have done this on three Kymco variators and it works. I have used an impact on a 50 cc Agility successfully. Just used short bursts and the nut came right off.
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: 245luigi on August 06, 2019, 09:41:44 PM
I agree less than ideal. I'm not sayin that what you should always do but it'll get it done if you dont have the right tools. When I first got my scooter, I snagged one of those toold Stig linked and it didn't fit. I dont believe there exists one for the LIKE, at least in 2012 it didnt. So I had to do the ole rope trick. I then upgraded to the piston stop when I saw some fibers come off the rope and get stuck between the piston and cylinder. Finally I just spent some money on an impact and its been eazy-peazy ever since.
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: CROSSBOLT on August 06, 2019, 10:44:12 PM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073115HSH?ref_=pgi_3ak0m1md790bkfeh8lma55elfnnc&tag=vzcmapper-us-20&ascsubtag=pgi-P05-V01-05-X92-LO-T1R3AT (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073115HSH?ref_=pgi_3ak0m1md790bkfeh8lma55elfnnc&tag=vzcmapper-us-20&ascsubtag=pgi-P05-V01-05-X92-LO-T1R3AT)
Looks the same as several others....
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: 245luigi on August 08, 2019, 04:07:22 PM
The only problem is where do you put it. Here is the variator on a Like

https://imgur.com/a/NDp4hs0
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: CROSSBOLT on August 08, 2019, 07:06:40 PM
Oops! That needs that gear tooth thingy doesn't it! Since I have been assuming it had a variator outer face with fan fins all over and two holes like nearly all the rest of Kymco models, I was all off base, huh!
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: eamartin on August 08, 2019, 10:42:54 PM
How about one of these? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Square-Tooth-Clutch-Holding-Tool-Motorcycle-Clutch-Hub-Basket-Flywheel-Holder-/163770501869 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Square-Tooth-Clutch-Holding-Tool-Motorcycle-Clutch-Hub-Basket-Flywheel-Holder-/163770501869)

Grind down the the points to fit the gear teeth.
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: CROSSBOLT on August 08, 2019, 11:45:51 PM
Something like that might work, Martin!
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: Viper254 on August 09, 2019, 02:09:46 PM
This one, which is similar to others. I'm not the smartest person in the world but I couldn't find a way it would work without some modifications. It was not the right length or on the same plane. I took some washers and put them in between the tool and the frame; then I used vice grips on the top part to hold it in place.

That's a tool for a four-stroke 50cc GY6 engine - which none of the Likes have ever been :(
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: 245luigi on August 09, 2019, 04:51:07 PM
Like owners have to get a little creative sometimes ha. I'm curious what Kymco's official take is on variator nut removal. I just took a look at Cyclepedia's service manual and all they say is "use special holder tool" no details, no picture!
Title: Re: Variator nut
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on August 10, 2019, 11:22:48 AM
I see now....no fins!
Maybe one of those Bizetti tools used on Vespas. 3 or 4 teeth fit into the variator's teeth. Tool is bolted into two nearby belt cover bolt holes.
A shop specializing in 50's would have something.
Stig