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Scooters - 125 to 300 => LIKE 200i => Topic started by: R100steve on August 12, 2023, 01:56:21 AM
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Bought a lightly used 2012 Like 200l this morning. Midnight blue. 11 yrs old and 616 miles on it. Very nice shape, I've owned several GY6 scooters and am able to work on them including CVT, valve adjustments and normal maintenance. Rode it 45 miles home in 93 degree heat. Had a blast, literally. Research says this guy should run 60 or so. I was unable to get past 51mph even on long stretch. I haven't done anything yet but intend to set valves, check air cleaner, change spark plug and oils. I may go into cvt and check belt and variator. even tho they should be good with 600 miles but I guess ag could affect belt. What variator weights should work? Will heavier weights get a bit more top end? We've got some long bridges here and I need 60 mph on them. Would a performance CDI help or is the EFI system even subject to the normal CDI system. Is it an AC or DC CDI setup? I was told that the EFI system couldn't self adjust enuff for using a foam UNI filter and I'd lean out too much. Any other performance tips other than a gear change? Oh, it appears I may have a fork seal leaking. I know how to rebuild forks so that may not be a problem other than the work involved. Haven't found good parts source yet since the 2012 seems to have been dropped from the sites I've searched. Ebay says its a 43x55x11 seal but only show sourcing from China. Can I just find that seal size and use it? Lots of questions I know. Thanks for listening.
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Welcome Steve!
There are lots of knowledgeable Like 200 owners on here who will be along soon and will just love getting into the weeds of your questions! Makes for interesting reading for us non-Like owners too.
From what I’ve read, you bought yourself a great reliable scooter there!
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Hello Steve
Welcome fellow LIKE200i owner to the forum!
Did you say? does it run after sitting for 12 yrs?
We've flown into Tampa for the past 18 yrs (save for covid) to vacation on St Pete Beach.
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Daughter excited to find a Starbucks (in the Hilton?) during one of our rare visits to downtown Tampa.
Hopefully you're not talking about crossing that Skyway bridge....on your LIKE200i....!
I think you'll be doing maybe low 40's by the time you reach the top! Maybe less.
My experience on the highways around that part of Fla. is that 70>85 is the norm.
The LIKE200i is not a highway cruiser - no matter what you do to it. Some say they can get 65mph GPS, which I find hard to believe - because that means the speedo is showing over 70MPH.
It is a super scoot for rural highways, city streets, etc. But not interstates! You might survive on-off one exit - a few did!
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I figure your LIKE will benefit from continued break-in mileage. speed should increase a few mph. High 50's, actual?
And yeah that 12 yr old belt has baked nicely in your Tampa heat. Time to replace it. Those cheap 12 yr old Kendas, too. OEM Kymco belts are the norm, and work best for a long time!
Sport muffler and foam air filter will give you more noise - which some imagine is more speed. Removing the rubber baffle in the intake pipe - will do the same.
The EFI on these things works great - fool-wid-it at your scoot's peril. If you were to get some extra speed with non-stock rollers, clutches, kevlar belts, etc., - please report it here for your fellow owners! Kymco has it well sorted - easy increase in MPH from a mod would be news.
At 12 yrs....ridden so little I'd be concerned about a rotting fuel line in your tank, above the fuel pump in there. A rotted line can mess with your injector.
OEM parts from www.leesonsarcticcat.com
Seems you might not need help with servicing - but if you do - wwwcyclepedia.com sells the service manual commissioned by KYMCOUSA.
Again welcome to the forum.
The few LIKE200i's I came across in Fla were suffering from the sun and salt air.
Stig
(btw - my fav place in Fla is Woody's Waterfront. and sat with my Dunkin's at many a sunrise in the park near Woody's....looking out into the Gulf.
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Thanks Stig. I worked in that bronze colored building in your first picture. I have also been to the very top of the tower on the Skyway bridge having worked for FDOT. I looked at the parts diagram you referenced and didn't see a fuel pump hose. I assume that it's an elbow shaped thingy. Where can I buy one of them. Every parts site I look at does not seem to have the 2012 Like 200i listed. I'm sure that different years cross referenced but as a newbie to this brand, I'm having difficulty.
This scoot was ridden occasionally over the years but not very much only about 60 miles per year average. Don't know if it sat for some of those years. I was hoping that the advertised 65mph was real since I had a Vespa150 that would do GPS 59mph, a Wolf 150 the same. Then a Lance PCH125 that would only do 49. I'm hoping you're right and mph will increase. I would like to go across Gandy bridge to get to St. Pete without getting run over. Either way, this is a great looking comfortable scooter I intend to keep.
Thank you for telling me to "keep it stock".
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Thanks Stig. I worked in that bronze colored building in your first picture. I have also been to the very top of the tower on the Skyway bridge having worked for FDOT. I looked at the parts diagram you referenced and didn't see a fuel pump hose. I assume that it's an elbow shaped thingy. Where can I buy one of them. Every parts site I look at does not seem to have the 2012 Like 200i listed. I'm sure that different years cross referenced but as a newbie to this brand, I'm having difficulty.
This scoot was ridden occasionally over the years but not very much only about 60 miles per year average. Don't know if it sat for some of those years. I was hoping that the advertised 65mph was real since I had a Vespa150 that would do GPS 59mph, a Wolf 150 the same. Then a Lance PCH125 that would only do 49. I'm hoping you're right and mph will increase. I would like to go across Gandy bridge to get to St. Pete without getting run over. Either way, this is a great looking comfortable scooter I intend to keep.
Thank you for telling me to "keep it stock".
Just checked the parts diagram....looks like they're selling the fuel pump assembly complete, now. (part # 17550)
So a fuel line from autoparts store should work....taking the old in to match. (there's a youtube video of this rotted hose issue)
My LIKE200i is a 2012 ....and I've no problems - making me think it might be caused by letting old fuel sit in the tank for years.
BTW - there have never been changes in the LIKE200i's sold here. Paint color and stickers only. Ordering parts is easy - they all fit - any year.
And yeah - there are some 150's and probably 125's which will outrun the 163cc LIKE200i. I wish they'd stop telling customers that it is highway capable, with a 60+ top-speed. Low 50's isn't right - but over 60 is a rare model! I'm 6'3", 260lbs and get @ 59/61 or so on the speedo - so - right at 55 actual. I've never tried a crouching speed run......not my style! I'm in no hurry - because I stay off 65mph roads.
My every ride starts in the dark, now that I'm no longer commuting 365 in Ohio. Won't ride in snow - but rain is no problem.
Brake pads last forever, as does the airfilter , staying so clean where the intake is sited. I change belts q/4000 miles - halve the oil and valves intervals.
It is easy to service. (no longer mess with the oil 'screen') I use an Iridium NGK plug and some DrPulley slide weights.
Dead reliable now for 10 yrs.....fingers crossed. (forgot - after 1 year - I did get a new throttle body under warranty - a very few built early 2012 had a throttle position sensor that would lose the plot - a small number of owners reported it here, too)
Stig
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any idea why mine will only go 51mph indicated on speedo? With such low mileage and knowing where it lived, I'm sure it was rarely ridden over 40. I'm about the same weight as Stig. I'm gonna set valves, put in Iridium plug, change the fuel hose, check air filter, tire pressue, etc and see what it will do then. What slider weight?
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14g (18/14)
I tried 13g but did not like that my revs increased across the ground speed...
that is to say, at 35mph my revs were now higher than with stock Kymco weights. I could hear it and feel it.
13g may have given me a higher top speed - I wouldn't know, because I almost never do top-speed runs. Might have been lower top speed?
Where'd your speed go?...I've no idea what 11 yrs of Fla heat and lack of use has done. But - I would pull the belt cover and have a look - including while running.
There should be another 5 > 8 mph in there, somewhere.
Any ideas - LIKE200i owners??
Stig
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Hope you get your LIKE200i sorted!
These LIKE's are great scooters.
Went out this morning, she always starts almost before one can let go of the start button! Been doing that since 2013.
That EFI is a wonder!
Stig
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congrats on the new scoot! On my previous (weird to say that..) People S200, same engine and driveline (minus fuel injection), I could hit an indicated low 60's in a tuck..hit indicated 70'ish once, in a long down hill run, full tuck...plus I weigh just under 150 lbs, so that may help.
So an indicated 51 on yours (really 49?) means you're missing something...I'd start with pulling the cvt cover and taking a good look in there, pull everything apart and give it a good clean..plus a new belt is a good idea.
Brake fluid, too, should be replaced as it's likely original. Get some good tires on it an ride on!
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still working on the 2012 Like 200i with 616 miles on it.. Tried to get the fuel pump out so I could check the hose but couldn't get it to budge. Bent the tank a bit prying on it. Finally gave up. Scoot seems to run fine. Went in the CVT and changed the rollers to 14g sliders and put on new 781-20-30 Bando/Kymco belt. Still haven't set the valves or done the spark plug because I'm waiting on a valve cover gasket in case I need one. STILL WON'T GO OVER 51mph.......I bought this scooter because reviews said it would do 60-65. Not sure what is wrong. All stock parts except the sliders. Put premium fuel in it, a couple tanks thru it now. Added SeaFoam injector cleaner. Hope the valve clearance setting helps along with the Iridium plug. It was ridden during those 11 years, not just sitting but not very much. Lady says she only went over 40mph once. It accelerates fine up to about 40, then slowly gets on up to 50mph.
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well, that is a little frustrating. Could your rear pulley not be working properly / smoothly?
A rear pulley should be disassembled and thoroughly cleaned and regreased occasionally (although yours has such low miles...)
Might be worth a try to make sure you're not missing anything. The challenge with a rear pulley/clutch assembly is removing the large clutch nut. My S200 had a 39mm nut so I bought a 39mm impact socket on Amazon and used my impact for removal.
Lots of youtube vids on disassembling and greasing a rear pulley/clutch.
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IaHawk, that's a thought. When I was putting the belt on, I couldn't compress the clutch by squeezing like normal, I had to pull/twist the belt to get it down in the pulley. I haven't had a clutch that tight before. Maybe after so little use over 11 yrs it need to be serviced. I can do that since I've seen all the videos and I have the tools. Thanks for the tip
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Running out of the obvious....
The injector has a nice fan-spray - engine getting good fuel?
Not a mouse living in the muffler?
Brakes dragging?
Really low PSI in tires?
At 600 miles hard to think that the valve lash could be off far.
Certainly worth popping a new Iridium plug in there - but they're not a magic bullet. One should strengthen your idle....and last a long time.
I'd sure like to get a look at the fuel pump assembly. Sitting in that old gas for all those years!
There would be no reason (at 600 miles) for the fuel pressure to be failing unless that hose is rotted and leaking some?
Engine getting enough to run at 51, but no faster.
One thought I had was popping on a cheap tachometer, wrapped around the spark plug lead.. See what the engine speed is at 51MPH.
Max output is at 7,500 RPM
Max torque at 6,500
Idle 1,700 +/- 100
Valves and Iridium find another 8 MPH? Can't see it, if the correct size new belt didn't do it and airfilter is OK.
What does it 'sound' like at 51MPH?....bogging, trying to die?
Stig
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As a far shot:
-do uou have too much slack in your throttle cable?
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Tom and Rufus....good thoughts for sure. I was gonna check that throttle cable when I pulled the bucket for the valve adjustment. I'm waiting on a gasket, afraid I'll need one when I take valve cover off and then scooter will be down. How the heck you get the fuel pump loose. I took the bolts out, unplugged it, and I couldn't get it to budge. Does it turn? How do you guys get the pump out?
The scooter runs good. Starts easy, accelerates great, everything up to 51 and it's out of speed with throttle turned all it will go. I'm gonna go thru every suggestion and eliminate the obvious. Thank you so much for your ideas and support.....
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Tom and Rufus....good thoughts for sure. I was gonna check that throttle cable when I pulled the bucket for the valve adjustment. I'm waiting on a gasket, afraid I'll need one when I take valve cover off and then scooter will be down. How the heck you get the fuel pump loose. I took the bolts out, unplugged it, and I couldn't get it to budge. Does it turn? How do you guys get the pump out?
The scooter runs good. Starts easy, accelerates great, everything up to 51 and it's out of speed with throttle turned all it will go. I'm gonna go thru every suggestion and eliminate the obvious. Thank you so much for your ideas and support.....
Yeah the manual just says unbolt it and take it out!
Not so easy to get it 'uncorked'!
I used a few of those hard nylon panel tools to pry carefully all around and around until it came out. If I recall correctly I pushed the tool into 'wedge' it up - rather than heavy prying.
A big thick 0-ring secures it. Manual says to replace it - not possible - too hard to find! All sold as an assembly!
I buttered it up with a little bearing grease going back in.
It will come out -
...of course mine hadn't been sitting, untouched for a decade!
Stig
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I'm waiting on a gasket, afraid I'll need one when I take valve cover off and then scooter will be down.
don't worry about waiting on the valve cover gasket..many of us have spares that we never used because those seem to not flatten out. You can reuse your existing one with no problems.
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I think there is no special trick to get the pump out,
this red or brown rubber gasket clued itself to the fuel tank. Take a small spatula and pry it off all around. If this gasket really tears, easy to replace by an O-ring or sanitation gasket of approximately that size.
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Got out there at first light. It's too hot to work after mid morning. Pulled the cvt cover, checked everything. It all looked good. Clutch was ok after all, I was trying to turn it the wrong way when squeezing to get belt down in groove. It squeezed smoothly and felt right. Then I pulled the seat bucket hoping that the trottle cable had slack like Ruffus suggested but no.....full turn of throttle opened the the throttle body all the way. So I decided to go after the valve adjustment. Intake was a normal .004 but the exhaust was tight, could't get a .004 in there. I adjusted it to a loose .004. I did find one thing interesting. The spark plug was loose. I mean real loose. It was also black and sooty. I put the new iridium plug in and it tightened up as it should. So, I've done everything but the air cleaner. I couldn't seem to get it off and I was not gonna pull the cvt cover again. I was HOT and TARD (that's redneck for tired). Haven't had a chance to ride it yet. I'm gonna put the GPS onit in the morning. Maybe my speedo is reading low....... that would ne something, huh? I'm out of options. If I can't get it to do 60, I'll just ride 50. Thanks for all the help.
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Got out there at first light. It's too hot to work after mid morning. Pulled the cvt cover, checked everything. It all looked good. Clutch was ok after all, I was trying to turn it the wrong way when squeezing to get belt down in groove. It squeezed smoothly and felt right. Then I pulled the seat bucket hoping that the trottle cable had slack like Ruffus suggested but no.....full turn of throttle opened the the throttle body all the way. So I decided to go after the valve adjustment. Intake was a normal .004 but the exhaust was tight, could't get a .004 in there. I adjusted it to a loose .004. I did find one thing interesting. The spark plug was loose. I mean real loose. It was also black and sooty. I put the new iridium plug in and it tightened up as it should. So, I've done everything but the air cleaner. I couldn't seem to get it off and I was not gonna pull the cvt cover again. I was HOT and TARD (that's redneck for tired). Haven't had a chance to ride it yet. I'm gonna put the GPS onit in the morning. Maybe my speedo is reading low....... that would ne something, huh? I'm out of options. If I can't get it to do 60, I'll just ride 50. Thanks for all the help.
Good work!
That is like the 3rd "loose spark plug" I've read on the forum in the past few months!
That couldn't be good for a speed run!
I think I'm going to put "check plug and plug cap for tightness" in my first 3 tips for fixing a troubled engine!
Yeah - pace yourself in the heat!
Stig
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Well, I went to take the scooter on a speed run early this morning before traffic. Started right up, revved up, creeped out to the street but when I tried to take off, it bucked, stumbled and died....Tried it again, same thing. As soon as you put a load on it it stumbles and dies. Now, this is just after I took the cvt apart, checked it all and put back together. I also adjusted the valves and put in an iridium plug.
I noticed my variator backing plate seemed to be rubbing on the step in the crankshaft. Is there supposed to be a washer or ship there? I looked at all the parts diagrams and didn't see one shown. When variator is installed, should the back part of the variator turn freely? Mine seems to be solid. I would think it had to be in order to turn with the crankshaft and throw the rollers out. I'm sure I put it back together the same way it was when I got the scooter. I've done this job several times on a variety of scooters.
I have know idea if this is related to my valve/plug work or my variator work. I'm frustrated but I've been there before. Step back, take a break for a day or so and then I'll figure it out....maybe.
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The whole CVTs variator has to move freely and frictionless on its boss.
There a variations which have a shim behind its CVT, and I think the 200i does have.
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Well, I went to take the scooter on a speed run early this morning before traffic. Started right up, revved up, creeped out to the street but when I tried to take off, it bucked, stumbled and died....Tried it again, same thing. As soon as you put a load on it it stumbles and dies. Now, this is just after I took the cvt apart, checked it all and put back together. I also adjusted the valves and put in an iridium plug.
I noticed my variator backing plate seemed to be rubbing on the step in the crankshaft. Is there supposed to be a washer or ship there? I looked at all the parts diagrams and didn't see one shown. When variator is installed, should the back part of the variator turn freely? Mine seems to be solid. I would think it had to be in order to turn with the crankshaft and throw the rollers out. I'm sure I put it back together the same way it was when I got the scooter. I've done this job several times on a variety of scooters.
I have know idea if this is related to my valve/plug work or my variator work. I'm frustrated but I've been there before. Step back, take a break for a day or so and then I'll figure it out....maybe.
Pls see
https://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=28850.0
There are No shims or washers with-in the LIKE200i's assembled variator. The only washer is as seen for final fixing of the nut .....see photo of the order & arrangement of these parts.
Possible causes of CVT trouble after a servicing:
sliders fell into wrong position when installing
that front nut torqued/tightened on the 'belt' by mistake. Pinched the belt....nut not tight. Variator not locked to shaft - damage to splines will come - scraping on inside belt cover from nut working off. Loss of 'drive' to wheel.
Rubbing on shaft step - photos possible?
Did the CVT falter - and stop the engine?
Stig
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Very clear reply there Stig, thanks. Photo particularly helpful.
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thanks guys but two different answers sort of. The backing plate, part 22131, is steel and fits over the crankshaft with a hole that is crankshaft size and the boss, rear variator, rollers, etc fit over the boss and move easily. Its the backing plate, part 22131 that shows wear on it's back side where it rides on the step in the crankshaft. It would appear that the boss puts pressure on this backing plate 22131 against the step in the crankshaft when everything is assembled and tightened up otherwise how would the weights get flung outward.
That said, I did put the variator on wrong when I changed the belt and rollers the first time a few days ago. After a short ride I heard a sound from the cvt area and investigated resulting in yesterday's going back in to check. The whole variator rocked back and forth a small amount. Apparently I didn't get part 28211 on properly and when I tightened down the nut I guess I jammed it down on the splines. Was a bear getting it and the drive face off. Took a little file work to straighten everything back up. That's when I noticed the unusual wear on part 22131. Everything went back on fine and ran like it should but I didn't ride it waiting on this morning and low traffic for a speed run.
It's too hot in my shop to work during the day here in Florida. I did take the seat bucket out to do the work yesterday and wonder if it's possible that I pinched the fuel line when reassembling. Wishful thinking I'm sure but the scoot starts, idles, and revs up just fine. It's when you sit on it and take off, it stumbles and dies like it's not getting fuel or spark. We've got a minor hurricane coming this week so I'll probably have lots of shop time. Thanks to you guys for messing with me.
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Like I wrote there are variants which have shims onto its crankshaft, to be seen as parts #22110 in this diagram.
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Ya know how they always say go to the last thing you messed with?? Well, i found my spark plug lead loose!! Thought I felt it click onto the plug but evidently I didn't. I found it halfway out of the hole. It' in there now, I hope. Still need to do the speed run. Keeping my fingers crossed. I'll let you know.
You guys are the best. Thanks for sharing your time and knowledge.
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Ya know how they always say go to the last thing you messed with?? Well, i found my spark plug lead loose!! Thought I felt it click onto the plug but evidently I didn't. I found it halfway out of the hole. It' in there now, I hope. Still need to do the speed run. Keeping my fingers crossed. I'll let you know.
You guys are the best. Thanks for sharing your time and knowledge.
We'll be thinking about you as she bears down on Florida.
Stig
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All is well here in my area of Tampa. The media makes a bigger deal out of things. Lots of low level flooding and around the beaches. Thanks for caring. Took the scoot out for a little commute before the storm. Couldn't do a speed run but it did seem like it had more power. That loose plug had to be detrimental.
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Hope you’re still dry and that the plug WAS the cause of the power loss.
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changing weights only affects acceleration. No effect on top speed. A new belt might give you a slight increase; I managed to squeak out another 5 knots by changing to a Gates belt. There's a lot of trial and error in this stuff, and that bridge looks like a serious challenge!
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Well, I'm at my wit's end for now. This morning I went for a speed run and barely made 40mph. Funny thing tho, my gps said I went 45. I finally got the fuel pump out and the little hose looked good. I changed it anyway. The only thing I found was the pump filter detached and laying in the bottom of the tank. Non operable fuel guage was due to the sending unit being broken. I found a little piece detached that appeared to slide across the electrical pads that change resistance. Seems unfixable so I'm sourcing a new sending unit. Anybody know of a non oem replacement??
So, I have changed the rollers to Dr Pulley sliders, changed the belt to new Kymco Bando belt. Examined the clutch. Set the valves. Changed plug to NGK iridium. Checked the air filter. Pulled the fuel pump and changed the hose and reinstalled the filter. Checked and evaluated the fuel sending unit. Filled tires to proper 25/32 pressure. I haven't checked the injector spray pattern since I don't know how. The scooter starts, revs, accelerates and runs like it should
Only thing left is to try some variator tuning. I'm bewildered that scooter runs slower after I did all of the above. I'm old and fat with two knee replacements and I have to work on the cvt while laying on the shop floor. That combined with the Florida heat and humidity limit my ability to do more than one set up at a time. I know how to do the tuning, make the sharpie marks, etc. I think I'm going back to the rollers instead of the sliders first, mark the variator surface and see if I'm getting full height on the belt.
I'm just about ready to give up. Based on my results this morning with the speedo reading LOWER than the gps I'm interested to see what occurs when I get the speedo reading 51 mph again after tuning the variator stuff. If I can. Thanks again for all of your help. This forum is great.
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I know you looked at your rear pulley, but did you actually disassemble it and regrease? The rear pully must function correctly in order to reach top speed. I know this is a longshot as the pulley will likely be fine but still worth a shot to make sure you've covered all the bases.
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I know what it is like working on scooters, on the floor, in the heat, after reaching a certain level of seniority...🥴!!
Going back to original rollers...OK, agree.
But I definitely would go back to that 51mph belt, too!
If your Bando belt is even slightly the wrong size --- could account for the missing 10mph.
Hang in there!
Stig
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Thanks Stig and IaHawk. I'll do what you suggested. How do I check the spray pattern on the injector??
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@R100steve,
IMHO and what I have seen, some of KYMCOs pulleys are NOT machined properly to standards, means they are thicker than required and therefore this particular scoot will never ever reach topspeed, because both front parts cannot close completely and push the belt all the way up.
A) My standard cure for that:
- that part which is carrying the rollers or whatever you put in, is pinched into my lathe and 1(one) millimeter inside is milled off.
Both parts are finding closeness again and all is fine. (pls see pic)
Feltpen test shows the truth.
B) there is a way to mount DrPs squares wrongly, then it will not reach topspeed either.
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Well, Ruffus, I don't have a lathe. Is there a measurement or a way to tell is I have a out of spec variator?
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You don't need necessarely a lathe to get rid of some material there, but:
- before you jump into action pls see this link
https://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=30655.msg215843#msg215843
- on the last pic you can see leftovers from colormarkings which were vertically drawn about 1/3 on this pulleys flank
(with DrPs it got up higher, means more topspeed)
- I could have gone more to the edge but then the danger of a jumping off belt prevails
Was anyway fast enough.
- during running, scoots belt is rubbing off as high it reaches, indicating its performance
- the more left over from markings the less closing and performance you will get
Precondition is of course a healthy running motor which is able to reach max revvs (8000) with CVT OFF!
You might do this before any mechanical changes.
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I used to buy, fix and sell airhead BMW and Harley motorcycles. I've owned 4 scooters and worked on them. I don't think I've ever had a more problematic project than this 2012 Kymco Like200i with only 650 miles on it......
Took evreyone's advice yesterday and this morning and serviced the clutch, put the old like new belt back in along with the original 14g rollers instead on the sliders I had installed. I got my 50 mph back.....previously I had changed belt and sliders and speed dropped to 40!!! Tom suggested I change back and he was right once again. Guess the new Bando belt for the Kymco 200i I bought was a bit different length.
After all this, I went to pull out of the yard and it stuttered and died. Started but would not take throttle. I thought OH Damn,,,,what now. Pushed back to shop, took bucket out, tried to start it and something caught my eye. The plug wire had pulled loose from the cap and was sparking!! How the hell did that happen?? Put it all back together, took it for a run and got my 50 mph back. Didn't take the gps so I don't know if that's accurate. Yesterday my speedo indicated 40 was gps 45. Hoping my now 50 is 58. Fingers crossed.
I have to say this has been an experience. Thanks to you guys it's certainly been enlightening. Not sure If I'll keep this scooter tho, it's been more trouble than it's worth. I bought it thinking low miles and it's a major brand and all the reviews and ads said 60-65 mph. I still want to run and honest 60-65. I had a Wolf 150 and a Vespa 150 that ran 60+. BUT, I really like the style and comfort of this Like. We'll see I guess.
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Speed run results...gps 54, speedo 49. Never seen a speedo reading low before. Maybe try some variator tuning when I get enthused again. Must say, top speed is a bit scary in town
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Glad you got it sorted Steve!
Well, still not the top speed you were looking for when you purchased your LIKE200i.
But - I think you will find this to be a robust & reliable scooter now - after bringing it out of 11 yrs of hibernation. Averaging, what - 2 hrs a year or less with the engine running?
There are plenty of 125>170cc scooters that will outrun it....but as you've seen when working on it , Kymco used pretty good parts and craftsmanship in this fairly inexpensive scooter.
This is my 11th summer with my LIKE and I see it as very reliable transportation in every kind of weather. I've ridden it at 5°F to the upper 90's - in down-pours and winds....always starting my rides in the dark.
I reassure myself with a Yuasa 14Ah battery and an Iridium plug - to get myself home after coffee on some very cold days mornings. I change the oil frequently - it takes less than a Qt.
I started watching these goofy guys having fun with their LIKE's some years ago. I believe those are 125cc engines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJm7qfnXiVk
Major Tom
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I started watching these goofy guys having fun with their LIKE's some years ago. I believe those are 125cc engines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJm7qfnXiVk
Major Tom
Good vid Stig, I'm guessing the Philippines?
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I swear this thing is cursed....I got a fuel sending unit from Amazon, hooked up and found out the wires were wrong in the connector. Sorted that out and got it working. Scoot started, revved up, guage worked. I shut it off and put the seat bucket back in. Now it WON"T START. Cranks but no fire. Took the bucket out and still won't start. I closed the shop and haven't looked at it for 2 days. Gonna check for spark next but can't figure out what might have happened. Fuses near battery look good. Batter dies from cranking so much but it's been on the trickle charger. I didn't do anything except install the new sending unit. I even unplugged it and tried but no start. Does this scoot have a coil like other gy6 scooters? Looks like I would have to take the rear body work off to get to it. I have a coll and plug wire set up from my Lance scooter. Any inspirational thoughts??
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sometimes you just want to....
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I swear this thing is cursed....I got a fuel sending unit from Amazon, hooked up and found out the wires were wrong in the connector. Sorted that out and got it working. Scoot started, revved up, guage worked. I shut it off and put the seat bucket back in. Now it WON"T START. Cranks but no fire. Took the bucket out and still won't start. I closed the shop and haven't looked at it for 2 days. Gonna check for spark next but can't figure out what might have happened. Fuses near battery look good. Batter dies from cranking so much but it's been on the trickle charger. I didn't do anything except install the new sending unit. I even unplugged it and tried but no start. Does this scoot have a coil like other gy6 scooters? Looks like I would have to take the rear body work off to get to it. I have a coll and plug wire set up from my Lance scooter. Any inspirational thoughts??
Just a quick one - because I have to shop for dinner - "Kill Switch?" 'd be my first thought.
Mr Mom
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Yes has.
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I swear this thing is cursed....I got a fuel sending unit from Amazon, hooked up and found out the wires were wrong in the connector. Sorted that out and got it working. Scoot started, revved up, guage worked. I shut it off and put the seat bucket back in. Now it WON"T START. Cranks but no fire. Took the bucket out and still won't start. I closed the shop and haven't looked at it for 2 days. Gonna check for spark next but can't figure out what might have happened. Fuses near battery look good. Batter dies from cranking so much but it's been on the trickle charger. I didn't do anything except install the new sending unit. I even unplugged it and tried but no start. Does this scoot have a coil like other gy6 scooters? Looks like I would have to take the rear body work off to get to it. I have a coll and plug wire set up from my Lance scooter. Any inspirational thoughts??
"Fuel sending unit" ??? do you mean a new fuel pump, in the tank, yes?
Yes it has a coil. It IS possible to replace the coil with the panel in place. I used a short screwdriver "bit" from a power tool.
I doubt it is a problem with the Kymco coil....since you've done nothing recently to make it fail.
Opening and closing the seat can trip the Kill switch....ask me how I know.
Dinner's ready...
Stig
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found out why it wouldn't start. The new ngk iridium plug I put in showed a very weak spark, almost invisible. Tested the old ngk regular plug and it had fat bright spark. Put it in and fired right up.
Both plugs are black and sooty, even after a few miles. Signs it's running rich. I don't know how to treat that condition on a efi system. Isn't ecu supposed to compensate? Any thoughts??
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OK Stig, I'll ask. How can opening the seat affect the kill switch?? I had a Lance PCH125 and did a bunch of work on it. Couldn't get it to start. Spent 2-3 hours going back over everything, no bueno. I realized I had disconnected a wire that went from the seat to a connector. Put it back together and started right up....I like working on these guys but they can be very frustrating at times.
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OK Stig, I'll ask. How can opening the seat affect the kill switch?? I had a Lance PCH125 and did a bunch of work on it. Couldn't get it to start. Spent 2-3 hours going back over everything, no bueno. I realized I had disconnected a wire that went from the seat to a connector. Put it back together and started right up....I like working on these guys but they can be very frustrating at times.
On my LIKE the open seat can come in contact with and flip the Kill Switch.
But then again, the stock seat was removed years ago - maybe the stock seat can't hit the switch?
Speaking of the LIKE seat - being a fellow big-fellow, I'm surprised you can tolerate the stock seat ~! I could not go more than about 20mins on it! I bought a LIKE seat from a crashed 50 on ebay - and spent a few days making my own. Truly a thing of ugliness - but sooo comfortable - raising my seat height probably 4" so that at 6'3"+ - I can flatfoot at stops now.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7Z9BLXtV/20230909-121418.jpg)
O.S.
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I'm fat, not long. I rode an hour home when I bought it no problem.
How can I remedy my rich condition?
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I'm fat, not long. I rode an hour home when I bought it no problem.
How can I remedy my rich condition?
I don't know that anyone has tried changing anything with the LIKE's throttle body. Throttle body/idle speed etc. is set at the factory.
A couple of people have replaced one, due to throttle/position sensor issues, But I doubt a new throttle body, or any other part - will get you that 60>65mph on your LIKE200i.
Very few here have reported 65mph on their LIKE200i. One guy modded a LIKE 50cc to 65mph before it blew up, or crashed. Forget which.
Maybe a nice used PCX? Or a test ride on a used LIKE150i? See what your top speed is.
Good luck,
Stig
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Seems like every time I touch this scooter something else goes wrong. If I ever get it running right, I'm gonna sell it to someone and buy a carb model that I can at least tune. If parts weren't so expensive you could swap EFI stuff around until you find the problem. I did a complete carb, fuel, ignition, variator, belt and clutch on a friend's TaoTao 50cc scooter and it's been running like a champ for a year now. Total cost....$175 off Amazon.
Oh well, ya'll are probably tired of my rants. I really like the style and comfort of this Like 200i. Just wish I had gotten one that ran as good as it looked.
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Seems like every time I touch this scooter something else goes wrong. If I ever get it running right, I'm gonna sell it to someone and buy a carb model that I can at least tune. If parts weren't so expensive you could swap EFI stuff around until you find the problem. I did a complete carb, fuel, ignition, variator, belt and clutch on a friend's TaoTao 50cc scooter and it's been running like a champ for a year now. Total cost....$175 off Amazon.
Oh well, ya'll are probably tired of my rants. I really like the style and comfort of this Like 200i. Just wish I had gotten one that ran as good as it looked.
No Steve, not tired of your rants🙂
10 yrs ago when my TPS started failing....I did much the same as you! Tried a bunch of stuff myself because the dealer couldn't replicate my scoots problem. Since it was under warranty, I got Kymco USA customer service involved, parked it at the dealer and said don't call me until it's fixed. Weeks later they put a new throttle body on it.....snd it's been ever since. Customer service rep discovered dealer didn't own the Kymco diagnostic tool.
This no help to you....but your rants aren't bothering anyone here. Hoping you get it sorted!
I, however am s BIG fan of EFI~!
Stig
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been looking at the engine and noticed the fuel injector wiring has electrical tape and a zip tie right where the wiring goes into the injector. It doesn't appear to be something the factory would do. Is it possible the injector has been changed with only 616 miles on it when I bought it??
To check spray on the injector, do I just pull it out and crank the bike with injector pointed into a container?
Can an injector be cleaned by a shade tree mechanic like me?
Is there a substitute injector off ebay? If not where is best place to source a Kymco injector?
I get discouraged since problems seem to be cropping up everywhere. For example, yesterday after I swapped the weak sparking iridium plug for the original sooty plug, it started right up. Started later in the day and it ran poorly, missing, etc. Same thing this morning when I started it. After revving a few times and holding the throttle open for a few seconds, it settled down to a reasonable idle. I went and bought a new ngk cr7hsa plug and installed it. Started and idled pretty good. That's where it sits right now.
So, after all the work and purchase of belt, sliders, iridium plug, I'm actually back to where I started. I reinstalled the old belt, and rollers.
I set the valves, properly I think since I've done the job many times. I replaced the fuel pump hose and replaced the fuel gauge sending unit. I pulled and replaced the variator several times. I took the clutch apart and cleaned/regreased it. When it's running, it does the original 51mph which I determined via gps is really 55mph. At 250lbs, I guess I can live with that. I'm still after it but don't want to put another $300 or so for injector and throttle body not knowing if that fixes it. Wish I could just put a carb on it and be done with it all.
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forgot to mention thanks to all who have posted. I have read all 66 pages of forum posts for the Like 200i. I have read all the tech posts on issues I think might provide remedy for my problems. I have a cyclepedia owners manual. I have experience in maintaining scooters and motorcycles. Unfortunately troubleshooting fuel injected vehicles is out of my wheelhouse.
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I love your perseverance...these things can be frustrating and challenging to solve. The good part is once you do solve it the feeling of accomplishment is fantastic. Keep plugging away, you've got this!
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I do not think that you need a new injector or a throttle body on your scooter that has now been determined to go 55mph GPS.
I'm no wizzard, and you have more scooter exp. than I do - but - but I think your new belt was the wrong size, the sliders may have been the wrong weight or flipped when they were installed (happens easily) , and your Iridium was a knock-off or the cap was not firmly clicked on.
As for your injector.....no one has messed with it..
Factory photo......
(https://i.postimg.cc/fbzC1Zgz/injector.jpg)
I cannot explain those MPH's you are missing (now down to @3>5mph)....but I think your scooter is good to go, now.....and may have been after that first tank of new gas and a valve check! No one should be claiming to the public that this is a 65mph scooter.
Me?, I would replace that Florida heat 11 yr old belt with the correct OEM Kymco belt. ...and the tires soon! A road failure of either would not be fun at best - or safe at worst.
Stig
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I do not think that you need a new injector or a throttle body on your scooter that has now been determined to go 55mph GPS.
I'm no wizzard, and you have more scooter exp. than I do - but - but I think your new belt was the wrong size, the sliders may have been the wrong weight or flipped when they were installed (happens easily) , and your Iridium was a knock-off or the cap was not firmly clicked on.
As for your injector.....no one has messed with it..
Factory photo......
(https://i.postimg.cc/fbzC1Zgz/injector.jpg)
I cannot explain those MPH's you are missing (now down to @3>5mph)....but I think your scooter is good to go, now.....and may have been after that first tank of new gas and a valve check! No one should be claiming to the public that this is a 65mph scooter.
Me?, I would replace that Florida heat 11 yr old belt with the correct OEM Kymco belt. ...and the tires soon! A road failure of either would not be fun at best - or safe at worst.
Stig
I agree with Stig...no way that scoot maintains 65 mph anywhere...even downhill..My S200 had new everything (clutch, belts, sliders, plug, fluids, filters) and wouldn't hit 65 on flat ground with a 150 lb rider aboard. Holding 50 on these is sketchy, at best...hoping for 55-65 with the 163cc Kymcos just isn't realistic. My 250cc Honda Helix will hold 71 or 72 on flat ground....but a 150 class? Might be time for a different scoot if hitting 65 is necessary for survival on your local roads.
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You guys are the best. I'll get this thing sorted out one of these days. Thanks for the pic of the injector. That sure is a funny looking way to do it