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Scooters - 50cc => Agility 50 => Topic started by: Rianna on September 13, 2010, 11:40:18 PM
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I keep running over these huge pecans or chestnuts or buckeyes or something on the ground here, so at first I thought a clump of that junk must have gotten caught up under the fender because I saw some on the front tire. Cleaned the tire, took off the fender. I don't see anything. I checked to see if the tire left marks on the fender from rubbing against it. Nothing. The tire doesn't seem to have any marks. At first I only noticed it when riding slow or coming to a stop, now I hear all the time and it's driving me crazy. No wobbling tire, just noise, and maybe the slightest vibration.
But I keep hearing this noise every time the front tire rotates and hits a certain point. I wouldn't think anything would be loose just coming from the dealer, but ya never know I guess. Everything seems tight, though.
Would the front brake be making a noise if it got something in it? It's repetitive, like when you have a card (or something) stuck in your bicycle spokes. Any idea what I should look at to try and figure it out?
EDIT ADDED: PROBLEM SOLVED - 67 days later - for solution see this thread here about halfway down the page:
http://kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=3134.165 (http://kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=3134.165)
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..your front disc has holes all around it.."card noise" capable...
..could be a buck-eye..whatever ..shell piece is caught somewhere around your brake caliper and pads...
..give it a good inspection in that area..
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Don't forget the simple stuff, stone in tread, or nail/screw in tyre.
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...wow..sid...that'd be closer to the "card in spoke sound"....
..are you at work??
;D
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Nah, sitting at home now. Mrs.sid just had a screw in front tyre of her car recently, so it is still fresh memory. Read, not quite pushed out to make room for another,yet. :)
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Thank you, thank you. That makes sense. I just brought it in for the night. Maybe I'll get lucky and find it right away.
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I think I lied, sid. I'm not touching that scoot 'til morning. Pushing that heavy thing up hills and through yards has got me beat today. I feel like I been stomped on. Too much muscle building this past week. lol.
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Yeah, but better than the dentist though.:)
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Oh, heck yeah. One time they had me in that dentist chair for 4 hours and I felt traumatized for a week afterwards! When they finish up I don't wanna hear the words root canal ever again. I'm gonna check out that tire and brake real good this morning outside and see what I can see.
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Did you ever figure out where the noise was coming from?
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I may be crazy, but I think it's got something to do with that front brake. Everything seems tight and I can't find anything wrong with the tire, but I took that fender off again today and was trying to pay real close attention to it while I rode. You know, the noise stops when I hit that front brake. Makes me wonder if it isn't too tight or something? It'll drive me nuts 'til I figure it out.
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put the scoot on the center stand and spin the front tire and see if you can see what it might be.
I beleave theres a wear tap on the brakes but if your scoot is new that should not be it.check and see if everything around the tire is tight.
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Thanks, blue. I was gonna try to put it on the center stand tonight, just to get a better look, make sure I'm not missing anything. The fella up the street with the chinese scoot said he would steady the bike for me while I tried to see if I could put it on the stand. But he wasn't home when I came back down the hill. I'm thinking to take a hose to that tire in the morning and get it good and clean again. Maybe tomorrow I can catch him. If you could hear it, you'd probably know what it was in a second.
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Sounds like ya got something stuck in there. A couple 100 mph runs should knock it right out :D
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lol. That oughtta do the trick, huh? I thought you left to go get beer. ;D
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Ha! just to the fridge. We got those philbert nuts all over the place here and doesn't take much to get them where you don't want them. Take a good look though if it's affecting your front brake thats not good.But a screw or tack in the tire will make a similare noise.
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Will do, thanks, art. I have to look at it in the daytime. I would look at nite when it's on my mind, but I could hardly move around in the kitchen to get the roast out of the crock pot and put the leftovers in the fridge. A small kitchen gets even smaller with a scooter in it. lol.
My son came in and went to get a gatorade out of the fridge. He squeezes around the scoot. He just looks at it and tiptoes around it. He hasn't got up the nerve to say anything about it yet. He knows his ma is crazy. ;D
Yeah, it could be one of them nuts and I'm just overlooking it. My flashlight ain't worth 2 cents. Those nuts are huge here, don't know what kind they are, but they're everywhere. Can't help but run over one now and again. Sometimes that noise gets so loud I think the wheel is coming off, but it don't wobble or anything.
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Ya if you can hear it coming from the wheel area check it good. Make sure the axle is tight.
I bought one scoot from a kid that was convinced the front wheel was bent(and it did ride like it was) He never did any maintanance! The axle was less than finger tight and the stearing head was even looser. About 15 min.and all was good to go.(after the perchase ;) ) Wish they were all that easy :D
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Ha! ps. Your going to have to hide the keys to that thing when he relizes what it can do!
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sounds like the front brake caliper is binding.If you feel the front disk brake is it very warm/hot or if you have been for a long ride on it you can smell the brakes,the heat build up of the brakes binding could also have warped/buckled your disk this also could be the cause of the sound if they binding.let me know please im interested to see the outcome of this ;)
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Yeah, art, I get my hands on some tools and get it up on that stand and I may have a better chance of getting to the problem. Maybe I'll get lucky like you did. That was good to have the fix in 15 minutes!
Ha! My son's not really the adventurous or daredevil type even if I try to get him to be. (Probably better for me he's not. lol.) He's just moving back from his dad's and he stays busy in his last year of school. All advanced classes and joins every club and activity. I see him like 10 minutes a day to say, "Have a good day," and "Sleep good, see ya tomorrow." But I did warn him...since he was too busy to carry me to get the scoot (after I drive him and all of his friends everywhere for almost 18 years) he better not even look at it when it gets home. I told him if he thinks is shiny and pretty he better not even think to ask if he can try it out. Am I mean or what? ;D
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sounds like the front brake caliper is binding.If you feel the front disk brake is it very warm/hot or if you have been for a long ride on it you can smell the brakes,the heat build up of the brakes binding could also have warped/buckled your disk this also could be the cause of the sound if they binding.let me know please im interested to see the outcome of this ;)
Hey, you know, omfg, I did smell something last night. I never thought about it at the time. I'm gonna leave that fender off and take a longer ride to see if I notice a smell and then feel for warm brakes. Thanks.
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no problem its a wiered smell but the heat will be a big give away (ermmm proceed with caution dont just grab hold of the lil puppy after your long ride!!!!! use back of your hand and get closer im sure if its that hot you will know) another way wet your hand and flick a lil water on it if it hisses like a cobra you got issues,if this is the case hit me back ill help you sort it,its no biggy.But if the disk is warped then it will need replacing or minimum skimming,looking on ebay probably cheaper buying good second hand than skimming it.tc hun ;)
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Okay, I used a diagram so I don't mess up any technical terms. :D
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if you cant find out whats wrong you may have to take back to dealer im sure it stell under warennty.
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Nope, no warranty. But I'm gonna figure it out before it drives me crazy. lol
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I only got a couple more guesses left in me. lol
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..have you ruled anything out yet??
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Nah, all I accomplished this evening before it got dark was to remove the front cover and disconnect the headlight so I could see better. Would like to find a way to jack it up a bit indoors so I can spin that tire and check some things even if it's dark outside. I got tired and gave up for awhile.
Oh, I did find the plastic cover that goes in the met-in box over the carb. It fell out of the opening in the underneath of the floorboard. I have to wonder how long it was there and what else might be hiding. The dealer told me it didn't have one. ::)
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It fell out of the opening in the underneath of the floorboard.
..wow..what luck!!...
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..did you ever get it up on the center stand??
???
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Nope. Everyone's afraid to help. lol. I don't wanna drop it so I thought it would be best to try it with someone else available to steady it if need be. There are two people kinda near by that would help with no problems, but neither was home today, so I reckon it's just not meant to be today.
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..wow..once you get th hang of it, you'll find it's easy...
..dang..you need that center stand in your life...
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Having a spotter isn't a bad idea for your first couple of attempts if it makes you feel more comfortable.
All it will take is a little practice - I know a couple of people who can't weigh over 90 pounds who learned how to do it with a little practice.
It's all about the technique!
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It's all about the technique!
..true words...
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Yes, once you get someone to help, you will get a feel for how it works.
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you need that center stand in your life...
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you need that center stand in your life...
You do indeed.
I don't even use my side stand anymore - heard of one too many people who dropped their scoot because it was on side stand.
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Yeah, things will be a lot easier if I can do it, that's for sure.
Hey, I sat on one of them chinese scoots yesterday. Light as a feather, feet flat on the ground with room to spare. I was determined to have me a Kymco, though, so I better learn how to handle it. lol
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I don't even use my side stand anymore
..i removed mine...
..it tended to scrape the road on left-hand turns....
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..some chinese scoots have nylon gearing...
..the frames are of a thinner gauge metal...
..and the tupperware is at least 1/3 as thick as kymcos...
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No wonder they are so light then. It felt like it's size would fit me better, but it kinda felt like sittin' on a toy in comparison to the agility.
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..the dealer tried to sell me a marshin, when i was set out to by me a scooter...
..and yup..that's what i told HIM!!
..i said...this is like a toy compared to THAT one, (pointing at the a50)..
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Yeah, no comparison, for sure. I almost sat on one of them aprillia's, while waiting on the paperwork at the dealer's. the rs50 r one. looked sharp, but it looked like waay too much bike for me, though. lol
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I almost sat on one of them aprillia's
..i've never..but i reckon they're pretty good scoots too...
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yeah i removed my side stand too just extra weight in my opinion infact it was the first thing to go the second was the suitcase like airfilter box im thinking about using it for my works lunch box lmfao :o
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..some chinese scoots have nylon gearing...
..the frames are of a thinner gauge metal...
..and the tupperware is at least 1/3 as thick as kymcos...
ya kymco just a bigger and better chinese scoot.
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Okay, so my son surfaced for food sometime after 11:00 last night and was curious why the scoot was rolled into the living room and had the front cover and headlamps off. I told him I wanna be able to get close enough to see and hear a noise when I rotate the wheel and use the front brake. Well there's not much room in here but he's pretty strong so he offered to just lift the rear end high enough for me to pull down the center stand. But you know - that lifts the rear wheel. So I still can't do it by myself. Grrrr
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now the bike is on the centre stand weight the back end down put something nice and heavy on the back rest part or the rack and you will be cooking hun :)
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Thanks, omfg. Something heavy, hmmm...lemme think...
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The other alternative is to push down the back wheel and stick something under the area of the foot rest to keep the scoot from rocking forward.
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try an ex boyfriend who you freshly murdered :o lol that should be a good dead weight in no way do i condone murdering ppl but if it helps you what the hell lmfao ;D
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The other alternative is to push down the back wheel and stick something under the area of the foot rest to keep the scoot from rocking forward.
Yeah, this worked pretty good, thanks. :)
freshly murdered
yeah, let me rummage around the shallow graves out back and see if I can locate that "fresh" one...y'all silly today...lmao
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Okay, so here's where I'm at. (I'll try to post a pic or two.)
The noise seems to be occurring when the tire spins and hits a certain spot. Like it's catching on something. The noise stops immediately as soon as I apply the brake. Would be really nice if there is just a chunk of one of those nuts that are all over the ground here stuck in that little space behind the brake disc. I can see some scratches on the edge of the disc where it may have rubbed against something. I'm still hoping for the easy fix, lol. Can I maybe run a pipe cleaner or some kind of flexible brush or something through that gap to see if anything is stuck there without harming anything? I believe it is open at the bottom too because I can see some light from the flashlight below it when I shine it down in there where the arrows are in the 2nd pic. Lemme know what y'all think.
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It looks like it may be behind the pads and disc. The tire comes off easy may be your best bet to access all and give it a good cleaning.
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So, may we conclude 4 page thread about, basically, disc pads rubbing against the disc?
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you didnot drop a hair pin down there did you.lol sorry just could hold back much longer.I know its no laughing matter. check real close to the pads and the calper to see if something is stuck I had a peace of pine get cought in mine ounce the littlest thing well make the bigest noise. if its a used scoot it just might be time for new brake pads.
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..that caliper is really easy to take off..
..it's your best bet to remove it, inspect/clean everything...
;)
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clean is best sometimes the littlest things makes a big Dif.
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I can see some scratches on the edge of the disc where it may have rubbed against something.
..there shouldn't be any deep scratches in your disc..no more miles than your scoot has...
..how bad do they look??..feel??
..markings are normal, but not something you should really feel as a groove...
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..in that big pic...are those the scratches you're talking about??
..if so, looks like something really gave that disc a hit...
..may be that it peened the edge of the disc, and that is what is ticking against the brake pad...
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Yep those scratches aint right. Looks to me it's something between the disc and caliper. Pull the tire or caliper to get in there. It's all good practice :D
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So, may we conclude 4 page thread about, basically, disc pads rubbing against the disc?
..it's up to page 5 now...going on 6...lol..
;D
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So, may we conclude 4 page thread about, basically, disc pads rubbing against the disc?
Conclude away, lol.
I'll render my conclusion after I take it apart, clean it all real good, put it back together, test it and find no abnormal noises. ;D
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Hey, thanks, all. Yeah, those are the scratches I was talking about. I'm taking the caliper off now. I wasn't wanting to take it all apart the first week I got it, lol, but so be it. I want to know it's safe to ride. Appreciate all the help. :)
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I'll render my conclusion after I take it apart, clean it all real good, put it back together, test it and find no abnormal noises.
..that's what i'm screaming!
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I can't get them damn bolts loose. >:( (Yeah you can laugh now cuz I'm a weakling, lol.) Found 5 wrenches, all the same size!! ...how does that happen? lol. Took me 20 minutes to find the 12mm socket. (That tool kit that came with it is a bit laughable.) Anyway, can I spray something on to loosen them up a bit if I'm careful? I can't find the WD-40. Found something called 3 in 1 Professional White Lithium Grease and I think I got some Liquid Gunk around here somewhere...still looking...
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..get the socket seated on the head of the bolt, then hit the ratchet...purposefully, with a good heavy object...
..most of the oem fasteners have a "lock-tite" type threadlocking solution on them...
..once the lock is broken, they are much easier to work with...
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Ahhh...ty ;)
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..and..make sure that you are loosening...
...righty-tighty...y' know...
..don't want to snap the head off a fastener...
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Yeah, I checked the direction to make sure. I tried with a claw hammer to avail. I also tried to see if it could be tightened further and then loosened, but no luck. And the later it gets the more tired I get. I was really hoping to at least get it off of there tonight. I guess tomorrow is another day. Here's to hoping I'll have better luck in the morning after a good night's rest.
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try opening the front brakes buy the handle bar lever pump theam a few times to see if anything falls out spin the tire back and forth maybe wash with water or add some high pressure air to theam to force out what ever might be in there.
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So, of the 5 tool sets you bought, that was the one size you didn't use? :D
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So, of the 5 tool sets you bought, that was the one size you didn't use?
I know, right? It's funny now, but I gets frustrated when it comes to tools. I can never find the one I'm looking for. It's like they are always hiding from me. lol
try opening the front brakes buy the handle bar lever pump theam a few times to see if anything falls out spin the tire back and forth maybe wash with water or add some high pressure air to theam to force out what ever might be in there.
Thanks, blue. Went to workin' it for a few minutes, knocked some dust out, but that's about it. I'm thinking those scratches are the culprit at this point and whatever caused them is probably long gone. It feels a bit sharp on the edge of one of those scratches and the noise sounds exactly when those scratches are behind the pads. Don't know if there's a solution for that or if a new disc is in order, but I'm done with it for the night, too tired, lol.
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..i'd sure like to say everything will probly be okay, as long as the disc isn't bent...
that it'll "wear-in"...but, wow...
:-\
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Yep check that the disc is not to out of round. If it's just the area with the scratches that's damaged you can take a file to it,should not hit the pads. It will still be usable but not ideal if damage is further down the disc :'( .
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That is good, you can tidy up the disc, everything is still tight so it is safe to ride. At least you have found the source of the noise. If you really wanted to, you could get the disc machined.
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So, may we conclude 4 page thread about, basically, disc pads rubbing against the disc?
Conclude away, lol.
I'll render my conclusion after I take it apart, clean it all real good, put it back together, test it and find no abnormal noises. ;D
It is all OK and I understand excitement about the new toy.
However, why don`t you open a thread called "Rianna`s 50" and write about your adventures there?
This way the forum is completely flooded with not-so-exciting questions and blah blah newbie stories and a lot of helpful or "helpful" responses.
Right new you are on 6th page talking about how pads rub against the disc.
I see that people suggest to take it apart and NOBODY told you it is normal. When you spin the front wheel you will hear that noise always, on every bike.
Can we end it now?
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Would the front brake be making a noise if it got something in it? It's repetitive, like when you have a card (or something) stuck in your bicycle spokes.
I see that people suggest to take it apart and NOBODY told you it is normal. When you spin the front wheel you will hear that noise always, on every bike.
..axy, come on..for real???..
..you would think that a noise described like that is normal???
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Yep check that the disc is not to out of round. If it's just the area with the scratches that's damaged you can take a file to it,should not hit the pads. It will still be usable but not ideal if damage is further down the disc :'( .
Yes, art, it "seems" to be in order otherwise...just sticks a bit at that point. And the noise wasn't present the first day I rode it. I've only put about 70km on it so I think I may have actually caught it and parked it in time to prevent further damage. Let's hope! :)
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That is good, you can tidy up the disc, everything is still tight so it is safe to ride. At least you have found the source of the noise. If you really wanted to, you could get the disc machined.
Yes, sid, Good and Tight! Couldn't take that sucker apart myself to have it machined if I wanted to, lol. I shall look around this morning to see what I can find in the way of sanding or filing type materials here to attempt to smooth it out with. Any suggestions?
Smooth it out, clean it off, test the brake and take it on a test run. I could be scootin' again in no time. ;)
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...Can we end it now?
Yes...you may...if you choose to...
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Axy be a nice hero member and realise we all got to start somewhere,rianna is obviously not that well up on bikes even to ride let alone the mechanics of them!!!!(no disrepect intended ria :)) so cut her some slack,aint that what a forum is all about bud helping ppl out be it 6 or a 60 page string long?.tc :)
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Try some emory cloth, 600 grade should be ok.
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Just wanted to say thanks all and give a quick update...it worked like a charm. I put it all back together and ran down to the store and back home. Not a single problem. I was thrilled.
Then I decided to go and fill up. Since the gas station lot was empty when I passed it and the gauge was down in the red I figured it would be a good time to go. All was well on the way down, but on the way back home, the noise started again. :(
Looks like I'm gonna have to pull it apart after all. May still be something stuck in there, or may need new pads or everything replaced. Time will tell.
Oh, and I got it on the center stand on my second try. I gave up waiting for someone else to have time to help with it and just gave it a go. Thanks for the tips! ;D
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I got it on the center stand on my second try
We knew you could do it!
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Oh, and I got it on the center stand
..success!!!
..but yeah, there's something fishy with that caliper...
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Yes, something fishy, but if it is intermittent then it could just be something loose in there like a stone, or something. If you take the caliper off, or the wheel, remember, do not squeeze the brake lever while the disc is not between the pads. Doing this could push the piston out of the caliper.
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We knew you could do it!
Ha! Gee, thanks! Y'all believed in my when I didn't. lol.
Piece of Cake. ;)
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So now you're ready for your first Kymco tattoo. Sweet!
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If you take the caliper off, or the wheel, remember, do not squeeze the brake lever while the disc is not between the pads. Doing this could push the piston out of the caliper.
Thank You for this, sid! I'm bound to make a mistake (or 5) but you saved me on this one! I appreciate it.
Yeah, fishy, indeed. Kind of puts a dent in my weekend plan, but better safe than sorry. Over the weekend I'll try to catch my friend's son and see if he can loosen them bolts for me so I can get it straight.
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So now you're ready for your first Kymco tattoo. Sweet!
Wait...hang on...WHAT?!?
lmao
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your first Kymco tattoo
..got mine....
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..on my left calf...from the muffler right after a 20 mile run....
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..on my left calf...from the muffler right after a 20 mile run....
Ohhhhhh...lol
Wait, your muffler by your LEFT calf or your RIGHT???
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Holy cow! He was riding backwards the whole time!
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..yeah, left...i'll not explain further!!!!
::)
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Now we really want to know the twist behind that story? lol
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..ummm..yeah..new i shouldn't have brought it up...
..dang...
..okay..me and my daughter rode to a natural science center in another city...
..i told her 4 or 5 times to be careful of the pipe when she was dis-mounting...
..well, as soon as we got back home, she hopped of..no problem..
..so did i..but she was having trouble with her helmet strap, i move around behind th scoot to help her and mashed my leg against the pipe...
..i'm trying to play it off, but it blistered the HELL outta my skin..
.."y' really need to watch that muffler, dad..it'l'l burn you bad!!"...
..so.............there it is...
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The mystery of wordslinger and his guilty! ;D
Solved!
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...lol..ha-ha!!..
..beat y' again sid!!!
;D
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..good recovery!!
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Aww, that's sweet. She was lookin' out for dad.
I bet that did hurt, though. OUCH!
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Aww, that's sweet. She was lookin' out for dad.
..yeah, she said that right before she BUSTED OUT LAUGHIN'!!!...
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Yeah, I am usually one step behind, but, hey, I bounce back,
he he, see ZX50 CDI, major bounce back. :)
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..ride it!!..i already replied to that post!!!...lol..
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..yeah, she said that right before she BUSTED OUT LAUGHIN'!!!...
Kids, ya gotta love 'em...even when they bein' rotten.
Yeah, I am usually one step behind, but, hey, I bounce back,
he he, see ZX50 CDI, major bounce back.
Oooh, you did it, sid?
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...you mean these bolts??
..(from that other thread..)
..click on pic..
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Yep, them's the ones! The pins seem tight as well, but I think they will come loose and won't be a problem, just them dang bolts.
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..and you're pulling..down, to the left.....
..wow...big strappin young man should be able to tighten those screws enough to either break th bolt or strip the thread..
..loosening should be a breeze...
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Yup.
That's what I thought, too. And the young men was from 17 up to about 33. That's my luck. Get me some wheels and STILL sittin' at home. I gave up for awhile cuz it's just too frustrating to even think about it right now.
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..i reckon i need to come up dere and show dem virginny boys how to break down a god-danged scooter...
:o
..umm..sorry..my roots show....
;D
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lmao...i reckon so
you take that test run yet?
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...nope...goin now...brb...
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k
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sounds like you need a impact gun. pick up a cheap elec. one at any auto store.beleave me it well come in handy for other jobs you well need to do on that scoot after time you well need lots of tools.
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...nope...didn't help......
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Thanks, blue. I actually had a thought today about checking with Auto Zone here about their Loan-a-Tool program and see if they might have something I could borrow that would do the trick, since I can't buy one for a couple weeks. Then I'll just have to figure out how to get over there to pick it up if they have something. I'll give them a call tomorrow and ask about it.
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Sorry, wordslinger...
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..i'm beginning to agee with blue on the impact...
..never been an advocate, and i'd never use one to tighten any of my fasteners...
..but it might be an option for you until you get these OEMs loose...
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Sorry, wordslinger...
..thanx, but it's really more a nuisance than anything else at this point...
..new exhaust is in order...
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Yeah, I will get motivated tomorrow and see what I can find out about the impact thingy. I should have known if I spent all my money on it and got it home it would need something. I'm trying to be patient, but really, I'm not that patient! :D
..new exhaust is in order...
OH Yeah...that'll put a smile back on yer face! ;D
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..i'm obsessing over it more than anything, i reckon...
..shoulda left the cat in th' pipe...
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You won't be thinking about it much when you get a nice lookin' new one in and get to puttin' it on... ;)
Which one you thinkin' about gettin'?
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..yeah, i dunno...i've loked at so many...
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"http://www.scootertronics.com/leovince.html"
..maybe this one..i think it's all i really need...
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"http://www.scootertronics.com/dragexhaust.html"
..maybe this'n...
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Wow, 50 bucks off on that more expensive one!
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..it's long tho...dunno how it would look...
..they're in virginia...
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Did they move? I saw Maryland...hmm
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..well i dunno...whatsa "240" area code...
..they were in va when i bought my carb from them...
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This the same one for 62 bucks less???
http://www.superscooterparts.com/SPD/n-mp-02072-3--80001106-1244918933.jsp (http://www.superscooterparts.com/SPD/n-mp-02072-3--80001106-1244918933.jsp)
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...yes it IS!!!
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That one was out of stock, sorry.
but try this one
http://www.swampcyclesmrpstore.com/SPD/n-mp-02072-3--80001106-1244918933.jsp (http://www.swampcyclesmrpstore.com/SPD/n-mp-02072-3--80001106-1244918933.jsp)
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..yeah...still aint sure about that..."long" style pipe....
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"http://www.scootertronics.com/gy6exhaust1.html"
..like this'n too....
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That one's sharp. But check out that price! Ouch. I bet I could find it cheaper. lol
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..if you can, me luv you long time...
;)
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lol, k, give me a minute...
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..one thousand one..one thousand two....
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..i'm beginning to agee with blue on the impact...
..never been an advocate, and i'd never use one to tighten any of my fasteners...
..but it might be an option for you until you get these OEMs loose...
ya they work best for loosing things up you can always put things back on by hand only
but just make sure real tight.
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you can always put things back on by hand only
but just make sure real tight.
..and use blue "Lock-tite" threadlocker...
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Thanks, folks, appreciate it. Gonna make it work somehow. lol. Maybe they will have something I can borrow to take it off with. I feel like riding over to the tire shop and see if they would be kind to me if they weren't busy. They probably got the right tools, but I suppose I better not ride it. Isn't is crazy, ya gotta have a ride to fix a ride.
Hey, wordslinger, OOPS, that exhaust is harder, will take more than a minute. ;D
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Hey, wordslinger, OOPS, that exhaust is harder, will take more than a minute.
..76,463 one thousand..76,464 one thousand...
..huh??
:-X
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http://www.scooterpartsplace.com/ncy-exhaust-stainless-gy6-50-qmb-139.aspx (http://www.scooterpartsplace.com/ncy-exhaust-stainless-gy6-50-qmb-139.aspx)
About 60 bucks less
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This one has one on handfor 110 bucks less, but again, it's stainless, not black, if it's the same one.
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=4404674&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse (http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=4404674&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse)
Is that the one?
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..i think all three are the same pipe, different finish....
...wowww...
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Cool, cuz that one has a part number, might could find it cheaper now. lol
Do you care what color the finish is?
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..kinda like th titanium finish...however, i can re-finish for the sake of value...lol..
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lol, okay, I'll let you know tomorrow if I find one cheaper or good price on titanium one.
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$199.95
http://www.mxmotorsports.us/QMB139-50cc-Performance-Exhaust-p/performance%20exhaust%2049cc.htm (http://www.mxmotorsports.us/QMB139-50cc-Performance-Exhaust-p/performance%20exhaust%2049cc.htm)
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"http://www.mxmotorsports.us/High-Performance-GY6-50cc-Exhaust-p/exhaust%20gy6%2050cc%20mrp.htm"
..there's that MRP in a shorty...
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Go with the leovince!
You can find some videos of a50s with it on...
Sounds so killer.
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yeah, for $20 more, I guess less is more? lol
You might wanna try this place too, I saw many different colors. Some for $100 - $140 but I'm getting tired so I couldn't figure out what works and what doesn't. ???
http://www.scooterpartsmania.com/ (http://www.scooterpartsmania.com/)
We gonna find you something for a good price. :)
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Go with the leovince!
...yup..i saw a cpl....and i do think it's all my scoot really needs...
..seems 15-20% increases have always worked well with th' old girl...
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I am not a fan of impact guns, I don't think there is a need for them on a scooter. If you can borrow a torque wrench you will be able to loosen the bolts with that, if they don't loosen they will break. if it comes down to it, you can get a spray to break the threadlocker, more cost though, I can't just go out and buy things like some people can, so I suggest borrow a torque wrench.
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Thanks, sid. I checked with everybody I could think of and no one seems to have one. One fella looked at me funny like I made up a new word or something when I asked about a torque wrench. Guess folks here aren't into tools as much as I thought. lol. The auto parts place may have one. I checked on their website tonight and it showed a picture of one. I did not see the impact gun, though, unless I missed it. It may be different as to what each store lends out. I can only hope they will have something available in a size I can use. I may have to hop on a bus, then transfer to another bus and do the same thing to get back including some walking each way. It will take up too much of the day, but I don't see any other options. I guess we just do what we gotta do sometimes. Worst case scenario I'll just have to wait until payday and try to be patient. (I'm not this patient, really.)
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An auto parts store should have a 1/2" Sqare drive torque wrench, a basic one is under $20. If you like, I could post one to you, take about 1-2 weeks.
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lol, I love it, sid. What a great idea. By the time it would reach me, though, I will have the money to buy one. Ah...Such is life. Looks like I'm meant to wait no matter what. I don't know why. Probably because I must learn to be patient. I've been sitting around without any wheels for 2 years, so what's 2 more weeks, right?
Yeah the auto parts store has a loan-a-tool program so I will ask them about the size you mentioned. If they don't have one to lend, I will buy one there or somewhere on payday. It would be nice to get it loose even a little because it may just be something small in there and it may fall out when I try to open it up a bit.
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Go to a mechanics shop and ask them to brake the lock for you and then to retighten them. No one in their right mind would charge you for that.
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I am not a fan of impact guns, I don't think there is a need for them on a scooter. If you can borrow a torque wrench you will be able to loosen the bolts with that, if they don't loosen they will break.
Correct me if I am wrong, but torque wrench is used to tighten the screws. When you apply sufficient force, it will "crack" and indicate "that`s it".
Using torque wrench to loosen bolt (especially one that is very tight) will result in damage to torque wrench rendering it useless for its primary purpose.
Maybe you wanted to suggest to use a wrench with long handle thus having better leverage?
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Perhaps I didnt explain myself clearly, I did say a cheap one, they are not the type with the click feature, they are a long handled bar with a scale to note the force applied to the bolt. A 1/2 inch drive torque wrench is usually rated to 140-150 foot pounds of torque, a 10mm bolt would not take that amount of force. So the best way to remove the bolts in my opinion, plus, you also have a torque wrench to tighten the bolts correctly after the caliper has been removed and inspected.
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you wana impact not a torque wrench.
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Thanks, all! If I'm borrowing I'm kind of at the mercy of the lender and will try to work with whatever they have available at that time. When I go to buy my own, though, I will be sure to look for the right one to get the job done. And the reason I haven't gotten motivated enough to have that thing off of there already is because if I take it off and find out I need new pads, disc, bolts, etc. I will only be more depressed until payday while staring at it all apart and waiting to be fixed. ;)
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Your pads looked ok in the pic. Not worn.
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Thanks, art. Hey, on another note, my helmet came Saturday and it fits under the seat. ;D The one I borrowed didn't fit. It was styled more like the motorcross ones. Oh, and the other one had that thing in the front that came all the up and nearly covered my nose - this one doesn't and I can see the gauges now! lol.
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Cool!
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Seeing the gauges is always nice. A definite step up!
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Grab a torch and a mirror and have a look up into the caliper to see if you can see anything out of order, it may just be something got caught up there.
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Using torque wrench to loosen bolt (especially one that is very tight) will result in damage to torque wrench rendering it useless for its primary purpose.
..i'd agree with that....
..dang, ...these caliper bolts just arent torqued that tight...oem....
..i've broken 7 sets of caliper bolts loose with a 3/8" drive S&K ratchet/socket..about 8" length ratchet...
..i mean........
???
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didnot get the tire off yet rianna mmm might have to take it in I know you dont wana go that way but-----------------
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Grab a torch and a mirror and have a look up into the caliper to see if you can see anything out of order, it may just be something got caught up there.
Yeah, tried that already, sid, didn't find anything. And I don't see any new scratches or marks anywhere. Thanks, though!
didnot get the tire off yet rianna mmm might have to take it in I know you dont wana go that way but-----------------
Shhhhhh! Shame on you for thinking that!
..i've broken 7 sets of caliper bolts loose with a 3/8" drive S&K ratchet/socket..about 8" length ratchet...
You would have had it fixed already. I know it. You don't have to rub it in, lol.
9 days...
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If it is a 10mm bolt, 12mm head, I doubt you would exceed 140-150 lb/ft of torque.
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Thanks, sid. The socket that fits on the bolts is a 12mm, but the ratchet is a short one - like 5 inches long. I found a sturdy longer one, but no sockets for it. It will get sorted out, but I'll probably run out of toilet paper again before then. :D
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Take a hammer and tap it loose. Should come right off.
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lol...y'all more impatient than me. ;D
Pssst...hey, art...don't you know how upset I'll be if I get in there and find out something tore the hell out of them pads or the rotor is warped and me sittin' here with no money to even order more parts?! (I really really wanna go to the store and get a soda, though.)
8 days...
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ITS TIME TO CRACK THEM NUTS ERMMMM I MEAN BOLTS!!
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It realy works,kinda the same princable as an impact wrench. You don't have to whale on them just tap with some force(solid) They will come off.
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CRACK EM !! :o
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..i opened this topic, and we're cracking nuts now....
:o
..not sure how far down i should read...hmmm......
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Torque wrench. A 10mm bolt won't damage it.
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I'm bailing out of this thread...
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I'm bailing out of this thread...
..HA!!..ur just scared you'll get ur nuts cracked!!!...lol..
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come on rianna go find that stong man to help you out. ( YOU CAN DO IT)
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come on rianna go find that stong man to help you out.
Which way did he go, blue??? He must be hiding. I don't see him anywhere.
dang...y'all just wont let me get it off my mind until payday, will ya? lol
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who lives the closes to rianna to help her out someone take a scoot ride. or u.p.s. her a impact.lol
did you try puting a pipe on the socket wrench for more leverage.
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here you go rianna. im sorry about the hard time im just jokeing wish you all the luck with your scoot.
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Hey, thanks, blue. I know you're just joking and you mean well. I appreciate it. :)
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G'day Rianna, I just realised I was getting carried away on a threadjack, did you end up getting your brake caliper off?
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G'day, sid! Yes, took it off and put it back on a few times now. I just don't see the problem with it.
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Was there any noise when turning the wheel with the caliper off?
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Hi, sid. There is just the slightest (constant) ting when I spin the wheel with the caliper off (maybe something inside the tire itself?,) but it's not that grinding noise that happens when the caliper is attached. I hear it, but I don't know how to explain the noise I hear with the caliper off. It seems like I should only be able to hear my hand hitting the tire and the air as it is being forced around by my hand at first, similar to what I would hear with a bicycle tire, but I'm hearing more than that. (But what do I know, right? I've never had a scoot before.) I don't know if a mechanic that just replaces what they're told to replace would know what it is at this point or not. It may be that it's just not bad enough or loud enough yet. But, someone that rides their own scoot and has encountered a similar front end problem before, would surely know where to start with it. And someone riding daily on a scoot with no problems will recognize there's a problem right away if they try to ride this one.
Sometimes, with a car, I can hear a noise the fan belt is making 4 months before it actually makes a higher pitched noise and decides to snap off. (And then it snaps off going along a highway up a mountainside with very few pull off areas by myself, lol.) Drives me crazy when I can't figure out where a noise is coming from. It seems to be harder for me than actually waiting to gather enough money and fixing the actual problem(s). :)
Honestly, if I had the money, I would just begin replacing the four or five things that Could be causing problems until it ran smoothly again as it did the first couple days I had it. It ran as smooth as the road I was riding it on then and that seemed right to me, even though I never had a scoot before. The last time I had it out, though, (on the same roads) it seemed to me that the front wheel wanted to turn one way, when I was actually wanting it to turn the opposite way, and it wanted to send off a vibrating bounce here and there where the road was smooth and straight. That could get dangerous rather quickly. A terrible disappointment.
I don't remember exact prices, but I think the wheel bearings were around $25, a tire around $50, a brake assembly including a disc is probably around $100, just pads probably around $20 or $30, don't know about steering bearings, or shocks or other things yet. And of course there's a lot of shipping and waiting involved for each part ordered if doing things one at a time. Could be six months before reaching an answer that way.
What I don't want to do is say, replace the caliper (or something else) immediately, then find out that it goes bad again because it was something else out of balance that was causing it and have money wasted because I have to order and replace another one. That's probably why I was asking if anyone had any tests in mind to rule out a problem with bearings, brakes or any particular part. If I find any I will be sure to post them. :)
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With caliper removed. Its bearing,axle or speedo cable. They do not lube the axle well on alot of these and the speedo cable is conected at the hub. It would be free to inspect and clean these and about 2 cent worth of grease to lube :D Try that first.
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Thank you, art! That's a good plan for tonight, or morning, if time slips away from me too quickly here. Gotta bring it back inside. I was trying out a new ramp setup to get up over that wall easier. I can use this grease for all of that? Or something else? Thanks. ;D
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm something else lol ;)
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Sorry could not resist ;D
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What?
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i was refaring to the marine salt water resistant properties of the grease you pictured ria,i have a marine outboard that sure could use some of that grease,cant get it over here,well not pennzoil anyways darn it :)
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OH, sorry, omfg. I thought Pennzoil was everywhere since it's been around forever. So that grease isn't good for what I need?
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Sorry!!.sorry for what?,yeah hun the grease is good,its gonna be great on bearings and such,just wish i could get it over here darnnnnnnn :)
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So it's good for bearings AND the other stuff art mentioned a few posts back?
Yeah, you should've shipped me your front end after you fixed yer bearings and I would've gladly shipped you a boatload of grease. LOL. :D
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With caliper removed. Its bearing,axle or speedo cable. They do not lube the axle well on alot of these and the speedo cable is conected at the hub. It would be free to inspect and clean these and about 2 cent worth of grease to lube :D Try that first.
Can anybody tell me if this grease is good for all these things art said to try first or not? Just for bearings or use it to grease everything?? Thanks. :)
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Marine grease is really good,used it on all my dirt bike.
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Thanks, art. I had only 2 choices. It was either going to be this one or Walmart's SuperTech brand. Glad it will work. :)
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..you need to get t' ridin' that guilty!!!
:)
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Don't I wish! I tried again today, but I can't get that Axle nut off. Took it out today and didn't make it to the end of the road. That front wheel is crazy now. It's parked...indefinitely...again. >:(
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Is it possible the noise could have been coming from the speedometer/odometer cable or gearing in the wheel area ??? ???
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Being that I don't have the correct the speedo box on mine it wouldn't surprise me. I noticed that the small end of the axle rod was on the wrong side of the wheel when I compared it to the diagram on stadiumyamaha so I started checking the order of each piece to make sure I put it all back on the correct way. First I noticed that the collar or spacer was facing the wrong direction. Then when I got to the speedo I saw two washers or seals on the diagram that I didn't have. I studied over this for awhile wondering if the gear would work right without them before I realized that the whole thing was for a different model scooter. I suppose the axle rod may function properly in either direction, but if the speedo gear does not line up flush the way it should this could probably cause a bit of a racket if it gets caught up.
But TechGuy hooked me up with a way to test it out so I'll find out for sure tomorrow. We've got some trees down in the yards down here and I can't get it to the road. They're supposed to finish cleaning the mess tomorrow. If they don't I might have to pick up some branches and roll some logs out of the way myself, lol. I'll test it with the cable disconnected first. Then with it connected. If I still get noise I'll try it with the gear out and just use the box as a spacer. At least I would be able to ride until I get it replaced. Thanks, codger78!
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Good luck Rianna... ;D ;D ;D
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so rianna whats the scoop on your scoot is it up to 100 % yet is it drive able.what kind of work needs to be done.
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...where'd she go....
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Haven't seen her online the last few days.
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...dang...she's run off with zombie...........
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It's like Lost!
Maybe they're stranded on some island.
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maybe her internet is down. we need are mom come back scooter mom.
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Let's hope her scooter is up.
Maybe she got it fixed and just hasn't stopped riding yet!
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Let's hope her scooter is up.
Maybe she got it fixed and just hasn't stopped riding yet!
lol she took one hell of a long ride.
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Must have gone with Pedro - haven't seen him around either!
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..i voted for pedro...
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I beleave she just ran off with her scoot. .
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..i voted for pedro...
Me too!
Must be heading to D.C. after the elections!
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OK GUYS ' Its been about a week now should we make a missing persons report.--------
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We could put out an ASB - all scooterists bulletin for them...
Maybe offer a reward for information?
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And what happened to Word?
People keeping disappearing around here....
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We've got some trees down in the yards down here and I can't get it to the road. They're supposed to finish cleaning the mess tomorrow. If they don't I might have to pick up some branches and roll some logs out of the way myself, lol.
Maybe the mess from the storm (?) is taking more of her time than expected. ??? ??? ???
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Hey, thanks all for thinking of me. Long post here. It's been a difficult week. Sorry for not posting back sooner. I wish I could say I was just out riding and having fun!!
The trees are no longer an issue, but there is still one work truck parked in one neighbor's yard on the other end of the road working every day and making nonstop noise trying to get at a bunch of really tall and heavy broken branches above the housetops. They have actually been leaving one truck parked here overnight and carpooling back to it in their other trucks every morning. At least I can get to the road.
I haven't actually taken the scooter out yet, though. Luck has not been on my side. I realized I had forgotten to grease the axle when I put it all back together and I got really tired that day and it was getting late so I decided it might be best to wait until morning. That way I could go across town on the bus and pick up a cheap torque wrench and some threadlocker and just do everything the right way at one time. And hope to not have to do it all again for awhile.
Next day my back decided it had done too much sitting on the cold hard floor and too much yard work lately and it didn't want to work at all. :( A couple of days of that was more than I could stand and I was wishing I had something more than advils in the house!
I finally get up and make it across town (the bus I took had problems and didn't meet the transfer bus on time so I ended up having to do a LOT more walking than intended, by the way) and I pick up a torque wrench, some threadlocker, some stuff to put on the back of the pads, some anti-seize stuff for the pins and throw in some CRC brake parts cleaner and some Brake Fluid for good measure, and a packet of dielectric grease that was cheap. It was great they had everything I needed and more in small quantities for just under $30 bucks! :)
I made it back home with a lot more walking and my back screaming at me the whole way, but I was fairly determined at this point to get it all done, especially after all the walking I just did. I turn the computer on to pull up the manual for the torque specs and it starts acting up then just quit working on me while I was troubleshooting it and trying to locate the source of the problem. :( :(
I pull up the recovery console which is not the Windows recovery console so everything looks weird and I set out to restore. Sadly I selected the wrong option. Not thinking that this was the old work computer I clicked to restore it back to the factory settings state so it would be like it was the day it left the factory. I SHOULD have restored it back to the first day I began using it at home 2 years ago. I realized it too late so everything was put back to sometime around 2006 I think and some drivers or something is missing. The IBM recovery console thingy is weird and doesn't have a lot of options and I eventually gave up when updating it on their website didn't work. My internet connection isn't the greatest and the update failed several times. When I'm in the recovery console I can use the mouse and keyboard and in the BIOS I can use the keyboard, but when I boot it up I cannot use mouse or keyboard. If anyone has any ideas on that feel free to send me a PM. I would love to be able to download the manual again!
I'm on an old computer now with only 128MB of RAM and it sounds like it's struggling and on it's last leg when I try to download anything. If someone could post the torque specs for the axle nut and the brake mount bolts from their manual I would REALLY appreciate it!!!
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...dang...she's run off with zombie...........
Ha! No...I didn't run off with Zombie...where is he anyway??...but as soon as I could get back online I was looking up Zombie's old posts about recovering files after a reformat. I remembered he mentioned a program that could recover just about anything. Never did find the exact one I needed, though...
I learned that I would miss the internet terribly if I didn't have it!! :)
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I beleave she just ran off with her scoot. .
Don't I wish, blue!! It would have been nice!
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We could put out an ASB - all scooterists bulletin for them...
Maybe offer a reward for information?
Hey, oswaldters, a stranger walked up to me at the auto parts store and told me they heard your ASB and that I had better get back online!! LOL
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We've got some trees down in the yards down here and I can't get it to the road. They're supposed to finish cleaning the mess tomorrow. If they don't I might have to pick up some branches and roll some logs out of the way myself, lol.
Maybe the mess from the storm (?) is taking more of her time than expected. ??? ??? ???
It DID, codger78, and BOY am I glad that is over with!! :)
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Welcome back Rianna!
As you can tell, we missed you during your absence.
If nobody beats me to it, I'll look up those torque numbers for you after dinner.
...have to cook for the kids or there's gonna be a mutiny!
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Okay, thanks oswaldters!! Feed them starving kids first! Happy kids make happy parents. :D
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mommys back Im mad at you mom you didnot tell your kids you were leaving us. lol
welcome back Rianna.
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Lol...I'll try to be a better scooter mom...thanks for the welcome, blue! :D
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If someone could post the torque specs for the axle nut and the brake mount bolts
Axle nut = 5.0-7.0 kfg-m
brake arm bolts = .8 - 1.2 kgf-m
brake pad pin bolts = 1.5 - 2.0 kgf-m
Hope this helps - i assume the torque wrench came with a conversion chart.
If not, use this link to an online converter: http://www.carsplusplus.com/conv/torque.php (http://www.carsplusplus.com/conv/torque.php)
Hope this helps!
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WooHoo...that's awesome! Thank you so much, oswaldters!!! :D
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Good luck with it.
It's good practice for torquing up the variator nut.
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Yeah, I needed that conversion chart, too. Reckon you don't get what you don't pay for. :D
If this muscle relaxer kicks in my back may let me do it tonight...I hope.
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Yeah, you don't want to push it.
Let the muscle relaxers do their thing.
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Yeah, I didn't push it at all last night, oswaldters. I was asleep before midnight for a change last night. lol. Now how did you know that's what I always do? I always overdo it when I'm feeling good and get as much done as I can while I can. Then I suffer and pay for it. Not last night, though!
I got it almost done now. :)
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Glad you're making good progress with it.
I'm terrible about waiting to do things - many a time I've come home from the store with materials and told myself I'll get to it tomorrow. Later that night I'm busily at work doing it because I can't wait until the next day.
I am, however, going to wait until the weekend until I install the Dr. Pulleys and put my cvt modifications to bed for a while.
Then again, I'm wondering about getting at that clutch to change the contra spring and maybe the clutch springs...
Man, Word has been a bad influence!
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That's the thing about that modding bug. It builds gradually. It starts out with "just one thing." Then it becomes "just one more thing." :)
So you got your Dr Pulleys in already? That's great. I hope you have good weather for the weekend then! It's supposed to rain this weekend here. I'm hoping the forecast changes before then. Especially if I get the scoot goin'.
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Supposed to be sunny and a high of 60 for both Saturday and Sunday so should be good weather.
The Dr. Pulleys are schedule to arrive tomorrow so I don't have them in hand at this moment.
On the bright side, after switching out weights a bunch of times I'm pretty sure that I can take off the crankcase with my eyes closed.
And you're right, especially since I have acquired some new tools in the process I figure I should use them to do something else.
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Yeah, I'm already pricing more tools, lol. Wish that impact were cheaper. I didn't think you'd have any problems changing the rollers. See, you're a pro already. :)
Saw this site today greatnecktools and thought it was pretty cool. At the bottom they had sections for $1.99, $4.99 and $9.99 tools then when you click on one it shows a list of places to buy them online and their prices. No cheap impacts though, lol.
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You know, the impact wrench made taking off the variator nut a snap. But I don't like using it to put the nut back on.
Even the cheap impact wrench I bought applies 2oo+ ft lbs which is way more than the variator nut can take. So I had to 'guess' at how much torque I was applying with it. Too little and the nut comes loose, to much and I would strip it.
So, in the end, I decided to use a combination of a chain wrench and torque wrench to put the nut back on so I know for sure I'm doing it right.
I'm going to check out the website though, it's been hours since I bought a new tool...
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it's been hours since I bought a new tool...
Oh no...the withdrawal will be setting in any minute now...
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Hands starting to shake...
Wife starting to give me that "you bought something else" look...
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You can always politely remind her that you keep your scoot outdoors...:D
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I might end up being outdoors too. ;D
Now I see why people buy multiple scoots - the best way to make use of all those tools!
And I haven't gotten into doing any work on the carb yet...
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I saw that "yet" there. LOL!
You could have a LOT worse hobbies for your wife to worry about though.
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I have to admit to being less than enthusiastic about working on the carb.
Maybe once I get some experience with it I will feel differently, but the one thing I'd really like on the next scoot I get is fuel injection.
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"2oo+ ft lbs"
That's crazy. They should have variation setting.
I know nothing about the carb really so I'll be learning from whatever you get up the enthusiasm to do. Well, I guess I did learn the difference between the diaphragm and the float bowl gasket. hehehe. I forget which scoot has the fuel injection now, oswaldters. I know one does have it. Must be getting tired.
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For 50cc there aren't too many. I think the Aprilla 50 R does, and the Yamaha C3 does for sure.
My hope is that I get a couple of more years out of the guilty and by then more scooter models will have the fuel injection. What I really hope is that Kymco come up with one.
I could do without the hassle of waiting for the scoot to warm up in the winter.
And I don't know anything about the carb at this point so even figuring out what size carb jet (and here I mean the physical size - length, thread size, et). to order is a mystery.
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Yeah, that Aprillia SR Factory R or whatever it's called...lol...has pretty much the same specs as that liquid cooled Super 9. They cost a pretty penny, though!
Man, you know, I hate it, I had a couple of really good links bookmarked about those jets! I really hate that I lost everything. Almost makes me wanna go back to writing things down the old fashioned way. I'd probably lose the papers though.
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I didn't really know anything about the Aprilia so I looked it up tonight.
Wow, that is expensive!
But it sure sounds like a hell of a ride.
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It sure does, oswaldters. They had one at the dealer's when I went to pick up my scoot and I couldn't take my eyes off of it! I think it might have been a motorcyle though because of the design, but it was sharp!! :D
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I can't say I'm a big fan of the replica racing design - seems like it would be a magnet for law enforcement attention.
Better to have an ordinary looking scooter that goes fast.
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I think their scoot looks more plain, though.
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They have some regular looking models, but from the pictures I've seen the fancy ones with the fuel injection have some fancy designs.
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Yeah, those would attract a lot of attention. You'd probably have to strip it down and paint it solid to be discreet at all.
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So did you make some good progress on getting your scoot back together today?
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Oh I got it back together alright. Took that damn caliper apart more times than I can count, though. I'm hearing noise again. :( Thought I had it figured out a couple of times. I sat on that cold cement floor for hours today. Until I got disgusted with it and gave up.
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So the problem is with the calipers and not the rotor?
Or is the rotor damaged from the calipers as well?
So many questions!
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LOL...I know. You could go in circles all day with it.
I think it can only be the rotor, the caliper or the pads now.
It only makes noise in one spot when the wheel spins. The same spot every time. I'm leaning towards the rotor.
But...that doesn't mean that the caliper was not the original cause of the problem.
How's that for certainty? :D
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At least you've eliminated the wheel bearings at his point!
And now I know who to go to for advice if I even need to work on the front brakes!
But that sucks that you're still having this trouble...
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Yeah, it does. Life is funny that way. But a lot of things have been ruled out and I got to learn a little bit about each thing and symptoms of their problems. Who knows...May come in handy one day.
I was reading the Disc Brake entry on wikipedia and it said something about replacing the pads if you change your rotor. So I got to looking at my pads and I'm not sure they are OEM. They have yellow letters stamped on them that say KYMCO, but there's also a funny looking logo that I haven't seen anywhere else on the scoot where it says kymco.
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Don't know what to make of that. ???
So you planning to go ahead and replace at least the rotor?
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Yeah, I'll probably see if they can fix this one, too, though. I searched but could not find a photo online of actual Kymco pads to see what they look like and compare. Everything just brought up the replacement ones.
The caliper slides fine when you squeeze it or squish it or whatever. If the caliper has anything to do with it I'm thinking it can only be that one of the pistons is catching or not doing what it's supposed to. That could be a simple fix like a new seal or some lubrication. I wish it was that simple. :)
(I'm never that lucky.)
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Hey, that torque wrench is pretty cool, though.
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Getting the right tools makes a big difference.
I'll be breaking out the torque wrench myself tomorrow. And the impact wrench.
Wow, doesn't get any more exciting than that!
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I know, right? If I had the cash I'd probably buy that dial thingy to test the rotor runout or whatever myself. :)
Hope you got good weather to test it out tomorrow!
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Weather looks good for tomorrow.
I'll be interested to see if those sliders do anything for the top end speed. They're supposed to open the ramp plate more and add a little to the top end.
Then I'll have to figure out what to do with the scoot next!
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Ha! It won't take you long. There's a lot of possiblities...
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You know, I was thinking about working on the clutch, but I figure it's a waste of my time at this point.
What I need to get on is that free flow air filter and rejetting the carb.
I think I figured out what jets fit in the carb, so now I will have to think about ordering a variety of jet sizes to cover my bases.
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Yeah, that air filter will be a good next step. I don't think you'll have any problem with the jets.
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There's a thread (somewhere) about jetting 101 or something like that...
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Yeah, Word turned me on to that (and where is he by the way?)
With the weather getting colder I don't know that I'm going to be working outdoors on it.
I may have to wait until spring.
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Yeah, it's hard to get things done outdoors in the cold with frozen fingers. (He's probably busy welding that frame to stiffen it up and swapping out motors and such.) I wish I could remember that link I had saved about the carb and the jets, it was really good, too...
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Well I hope he realizes that he has responsibilities here on the forum...
I think Word posted the pictures just recently (the week when you went off the grid) somewhere in the agility section.
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Yeah, it will be really cool to see the Before and After pics. After all the hard work he deserves a great scoot.
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After all the hard work he deserves a great scoot.
As do you!
You have an amazing amount of patience for dealing with all that nonsense.
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PBFTTT...I gots NO patience. That's why I take so many breaks! If I don't I'll get ticked off and start throwing things. :)
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Yes, but you haven't given up - and that's impressive given what you've been dealing with.
So you're going to try and fix the rotor - or are you just going to order a new one?
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Probably both...lol. I can't afford it, though. I'm thinking to start with fresh pads as well. I would like to be able to rule out the caliper first. If it turns out I need it too, it would make sense to pay one shipping fee. (Not that I can afford all three...lol.)
And Oh Yeah...I probably gave up about a hundred times already. :D
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The rotor is the most likely culprit don't you thing?
Hopefully you can get someone to look at it and figure out if there's a problem.
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Yeah, oswaldters, I'm leaning towards the rotor as the culprit. Just not 100% sure the caliper didn't cause the rotor to have a problem.
If someone had wrecked the scoot (not sure why else they would change out wheel bearings so soon) there's no telling what all they have replaced. And I don't know what the original Kymco parts look like.
Ordering another disc and a set of pads, putting them on, then finding the same problem wouldn't be fun. :(
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I wish I knew what was standard - sometimes I think there can be several 'standard' versions of any given part depending on the day the scoot was put together.
When I bought my scoot there were a bunch of brand new agilities to select from and none of them had that rear mudguard part that seems to be on every other agility I've seen since. Must have been a special batch or something!
In any event, whoever that dealer who sold you the scoot is - I bet he's not on your Christmas card list this year!
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I suppose you're right. That's a shame they robbed you of that mudguard, though.
If your scoot was indoors I'd ask you to look on your caliper for that funny looking logo/symbol between the pins on the bottom side. If it's not on yours I'd know mine was likely replaced.
Nope...he missed out on that Christmas Card opportunity! :D
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I'll be happy to take a look tomorrow in the light - since I'll be working on it anyway.
I'll see if I can see anything there - I confess to not having a great deal of familiarity with the caliper so I'll hunt around for it.
Do you have a picture of it?
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I tried to snap a pic, but it didn't turn out. And I lost my editing software. :(
I'll try to see if I can find the CD for it and post one by tomorrow, though.
Thanks!
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That would be helpful - it would give me a better of idea of what I'm looking for.
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The silver pins that you need the allen wrench for...look on the other side where they screw into.
Or look through the tire from the side opposite of the rotor, caliper, etc. That's where you'll see it...that's the side I'm calling the bottom.
But I'll work on trying to get a pic posted.
I bet you can't wait to try out them sliders tomorrow!
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Okay, that gives me a good description of what I'm looking for. Thanks for clarifying.
I'll be interested in seeing how the sliders run. People seem to really like them.
If I get really bored, I might even mess with the headlight alignment and see if I can get that beam to shine further down the street.
Or I might just rake leaves...
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Shhh...I don't even wanna think about "yard work"!!!
Yeah, would be nice to have a better headlight system on these things, wouldn't it?
I hope you're gonna love those sliders. I read good things about them everywhere.
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The way it works around here is that you rake the leaves to the curb and the city sends trucks around that sucks them up.
Truck comes Monday so I have to get it done this weekend.
...and I have 7 large maple trees in addition to contend with. And a big beech tree, and then some others.
So yep, looking forward to installing those sliders!
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Wow, that's a LOT of leaves to rake. At least the city will pick them up and save you from bagging them. You better do your raking first then enjoy the sliders as your reward!! :D
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Did you ever figure out what the markings on the back of the caliper were?
There is definitely something stamped on mine - but I can't quite make out what it is.
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Same here, lol. No, I did post a pic of the same markings on the back of the brake pads over in the wheel bearings thread, though. I think it's different than yours and than the one TechGuy posted that is on his. ???
Looks almost like "Ho"
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I haven't seen the brake pads yet - just the caliper.
I hope not to have to mess with those brake pads at all.
After I get my next project completed (the led accent lighting) I'll be going with what I got until spring.