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mr_cooper

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"Elephant Trumpet" issue tackled: SUCCESS!
« on: June 25, 2012, 05:25:10 AM »
Hi All: I'd like to share my experience in trying to tackle the infamous "elephant trumpet" sound which occurs at take-offs.

If you put up with that awful sound (caused by the clutch's “glazed” shoes slipping while engaging at take offs) well, don’t keep reading.

If, on the other hand, like yours truly, you are totally annoyed by that unbecoming whine, then, you’re on the right topic.

After temporarily addressing the problem a few times by taking the clutch bell apart (for which you need an impact wrench, the nut is 18mm) every 500/600 km or so, to clean it and sand the clutch shoes, I really wanted to solve the matter for good.

I did some extensive online research and considered many options, among which, replacing the stock clutch with aftermarket ones.
I discarded the idea given the cost and after reading that the problem came back notwithstanding the replacing of the part. I finally stumbled upon an Italian forum in which somebody nailed the problem by drilling holes on the clutch bell.
http://lnx.xcitingclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5647&p=74367#p74367

This mod is a true win-win: it dissipates the heat on the clutch bell and disperses the powder coming from the clutch shoes!

Mind you: this is not a DIY project, at least not completely: you need some shop machinery to achieve the desired result, namely a professional drill bench.

The holes have to be drilled at specific distances to prevent the bell from an unbalanced rotation.
It' a series of two rows of 12 holes each, drilled 30 degrees apart and 15 degrees off one series from the other.

It’s really important the holes be drilled within the operating surface of the clutch shoes (this is easily ascertainable by looking at the inside part of the clutch bell).

I took pics of my clutch bell before and after the “cure” and I’m going to resize and upload them pretty soon.

Cheers!
« Last Edit: June 27, 2012, 05:55:06 AM by mr_cooper »

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Re: "Elephant Trumpet" issue tackled: SUCCESS!
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2012, 05:43:09 AM »
Will the whining affect the engine if i'll leave it alone?

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2012, 05:58:59 AM »
The "nasty" sound will not affect the engine performance, so I was assured by the Kymco dealer mechanic.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2012, 12:24:52 AM by mr_cooper »

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2012, 06:04:42 AM »
I wonder if its the same whining sound from my super 8... which sort of I like. :D


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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2012, 06:32:55 AM »
This is the second batch of the pics.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2012, 11:39:48 AM by mr_cooper »

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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2012, 06:54:36 AM »
Instead of drilling holes, why not just replace the clutch bell with ones with holes?








« Last Edit: June 25, 2012, 06:57:45 AM by Vivo »

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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2012, 08:41:14 AM »
One very good reason: in my case, it cost me nothing.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2012, 11:40:33 AM by mr_cooper »

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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2012, 08:47:24 AM »
ah...ok  ;)

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2012, 12:48:10 PM »
Vivo, who makes those? I would not want to tackle that job myself. If you are off by even a small amount, it will be out of balance and then all hell will break loose. You look like you did a very good job though. It should work. I like the look of vivo's bell as it should run much cooler, and is lighter too I would guess? :-*

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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2012, 01:13:19 AM »
Vivo, who makes those? I would not want to tackle that job myself. If you are off by even a small amount, it will be out of balance and then all hell will break loose. You look like you did a very good job though. It should work. I like the look of vivo's bell as it should run much cooler, and is lighter too I would guess? :-*
Those are after market, not mine,  ;D  Naraku and Ruima brands.

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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2012, 05:32:37 AM »
http://www.g-forcepowersports.com/narabe11.html
Note: this link shows a clutch bell for quads.
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2012, 07:38:51 AM »
never had that growling problem again since i drilled holes on the bell. i don't think balancing will have a big effect on it because the shaft sits on the tranny cover
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2012, 02:58:48 PM »
http://www.g-forcepowersports.com/narabe11.html
Note: this link shows a clutch bell for quads.

Does this cluch fit to xciting? If not where I can find one with the holes?
« Last Edit: June 27, 2012, 04:57:12 PM by ahonekal »

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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2012, 08:11:21 PM »
DO NOT DO THIS!!!!!!! Those after market bells have a reinforced ring around them to keep it from blowing apart. ONCE AGAIN DO NOT DO THIS TO YOUR STOCK CLUTCH BELL....
If you need proof of what happens to a clutch bell when it blows up look here. If you were riding when this happened you wouldnt walk right again.
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2012, 04:27:45 AM »
Any ideas what they have done to bell in this video?

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