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ConradFr

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Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« on: September 17, 2014, 07:52:15 AM »
Hello

On some car the CDI is rev limited to protect the motor agains too hight RPM

Derestricting the CDI of the agility make it going high in RPM

But what is the hightest RMP possible without destoying the motor and now what that prevents the motor to go too hight ??

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Re: Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2014, 08:09:14 AM »
Derestrction of the cdi in theory isn't bad for the engine at all. Most stock four stroke scooters can go to 10k fairly safely. A bone stock will hardly ever be able to reach that except maybe down a huge hill. It's all a matter of how you drive it, go 50mph downhill every day might not last too long.
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Re: Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2014, 09:04:21 AM »
3 1/2 years almost 4, 0n a $49.00 Ebay China made 100cc cylinder kit using the oem cdi with a cut in the back.
Driven every single day, at an average of 20 miles per day.

The engines are fine. The rpm or cdi cut are NO ISSUE.
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Re: Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2014, 09:34:23 AM »
Hi

Thanks  for your replies

It seems that the limited cdi cut the RPM at 8500 so  the max power for the 4T is at 7500

Is it necessary to deristrict in this case ?

Thanks again
« Last Edit: September 17, 2014, 09:36:51 AM by ConradFr »

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Re: Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2014, 01:56:07 PM »
As you say, cutting the wire doesn't remove the rev limiter. It just changes it from 7500rpm to 8500rpm (or maybe 9000 rpm). It's still rev limited and won't damage the engine. If you don't derestrict the CDI you'll be limited to a lower speed, even though at 8500rpm you'e past the peak of the powerband.

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Re: Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2014, 04:55:55 PM »
Hi

Perfect now i know all i need about this
Many thanks to all

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Re: Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2014, 05:11:33 PM »
3 1/2 years almost 4, 0n a $49.00 Ebay China made 100cc cylinder kit using the oem cdi with a cut in the back.

Do you remember the name of this? I'd like to do more research, thanks.

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Re: Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2014, 11:39:03 PM »
My agilty lasted 7 years with a cut cdi.the motor was still strong when I lost the scoot because of a big pot hole.

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Re: Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2014, 12:26:26 AM »
We all know what really happened. It's a small world blue!

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Re: Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2014, 09:14:09 AM »
We all know what really happened. It's a small world blue!


     lol I wish I was that young enough to try that.

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Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2014, 03:44:07 AM »
Some pot hole man to bad you couldn't steer out of the way😂

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Re: Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2014, 08:43:04 AM »
Hello sry to ask this on your post but how do you post question plz? Noobie

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Re: Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2014, 07:51:30 PM »
Hi

On the top at the right you have
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http://www.kymcoforum.com/index.php?board=9.0

So just click on it

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Re: Is derestricting CDI safe for the motor ??
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2014, 10:50:14 AM »
Cutting the CDI will alow you to get higher rpm. Up to 9000. This should only be done after you've removed your restriction in the CVT, or if youre very careful not to let the rpm get too high. Double the rpm and you've quadrupled the wear om the engine, give or take, so no reason to drive high rpm, if you can get higher speed simply by making the CVT better. :)

When you've removed the restrictions, you will go further per revolution of the engine and therefore you can increase rpm without significantly lowering the life of your engine, measured in distance driven. :)

9000 rpm won't give you imidiate engine failure. I've had the 1 spring per valve version up to 9000 rpm a lot of times without failure and with the 2 springs per valve version i have had the original engine at 12.500 rpm. :)
When this is said, the force acting on the connecting rod is a function of the mass of the piston times the speed it moves at squared. Double the speed (the rpm) and you'll quadruple the force on the engine parts, so a minor flaw in the metal will become critical. I know a guy whose connecting rod broke after he derestricted it and Kymco wouldn't give him a new engine because he derestricted it which put more stress on the engine parts. :)
But that's the only guy i've heard of.

I have not done the calculations, so i do not know how much stress the connecting rod are exposed to. I will need the weight of the pushrod and some measurements of the diamentions. I already have measurements of the weight of the piston. If someone can supply me with this, i will be able to tell you the stress of the rod. To precisely tell you what the rod sould be able to cope with and what is material flaws in the production, i will need to know the material, which i will possibly roughly be able to estimate if someone can supply me with a sample. Broken or not, as long as there are more than 4 square mm free plane surface, so i can check the hardness and crosscheck it with CES Edupack material library. :D
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